Well I called that on the main mac board. And there goes the Music City Bowl
What is the point of the NCAA making the 'new' bowl eligibility rules if they are not going to follow them? The NCAA is so hypocritical.
In reality does a 6-6 MAC team deserve to go to a bowl game anyways????
The MAC front office is not happy at all.
Quote:STATEMENT FROM MID-AMERICAN CONFERNECE COMMISSIONER DR. JON STEINBRECHER
RE: The NCAA decision to grant a waiver on bowl eligibility
For Immediate Release—Thursday, Nov. 29, 2012
“I am disappointed in the NCAA’s decision to issue a waiver. I could not disagree more with the rationale provided. One of the reasons for the development of the policy covering this matter was to clearly create a selection order to manage just this situation.
“These selection orders were developed with NCAA staff input and approved unanimously by the NCAA Board of Directors last July. To suggest that that the NCAA staff or task force working on bowl policy did not contemplate such a circumstance, when this same situation occurred last year, is incorrect. The policy is clear and understandable.
“What is lacking is the willingness to enforce NCAA policy and that is regrettable. All the Mid-American Conference asks is that the rules that have been approved by the member institutions of the NCAA be enforced. That did not occur in this instance.
MEDIA CONTACT: Ken Mather, Assistant Commissioner/Media & Public Relations, 216-566-4622 x301
I kinda get it though. GT is being forced in the 13th game because Miami and UNC are ineligible. If UNC or Miami were able to play, GT is in the bowl picture at 6-6, then we lose three spots. Ouch.
Do I believe that GT should have received a waiver? No. Don't recall UT getting much of a "waiver" of anything basketball-related...
Do I believe that a 6-6 CMU team ( or any 6-6 MAC team, even if it were UT) deserves a bowl game? No.
The point made above by Carolina Rocket is certainly sobering whilst we have been proclaiming how "great" the MAC is this season...if Miami (Fla), Ohio State and Penn State were eligible for bowls this season, with the GT waiver, how many MAC teams do you think would actually be getting a bowl bid beyond the 3 we have tie-ins to? In fact, I think our Rockets would be sweating it out for that 3rd spot, and wouldn't have been surprised to see it go to Ball State instead--that's why that Ball State loss (at home) was so deflating.
The MAC is the MAC. Period. I agree with those who have written here and on the MAC board that there are some very good things about this conference, and there are significant shortfalls, as well. It is what it is. We will live for the opportunities to beat the "big guys" every now and again, in every sport we can, but the "big guys" will NEVER equate a 6-6 MAC team with a 6-6 "Big-Whatever-Coast Conference" team (or, apparently, even a 6-7 "Big-Whatever-Coast Conference" team). It will never be allowed.
(11-30-2012 07:44 AM)Carolina Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]I kinda get it though. GT is being forced in the 13th game because Miami and UNC are ineligible. If UNC or Miami were able to play, GT is in the bowl picture at 6-6, then we lose three spots. Ouch.
Bingo. They would be in third place in their division and in a bowl game without a waiver if UNC and Miami were not on probation.
If GT was undefeated, they would be in a bowl game.
I figured as long as we're throwing out ridiculous hypotheticals....
With G Tech getting the waiver...and IF UCONN and Pitt win....
I would say CMU stays home for sure.
Then the last two teams to stay home would come from Ohio, Western Kentucky, Louis. Laf or Louis. Monroe.
Sun Belt has 5 teams eligible. MAC > Sun Belt
(11-29-2012 11:33 PM)utpotts Wrote: [ -> ]In reality does a 6-6 MAC team deserve to go to a bowl game anyways????
IMO... not really.
(11-29-2012 11:33 PM)utpotts Wrote: [ -> ]In reality does a 6-6 MAC team deserve to go to a bowl game anyways????
It definitely makes a lot more sense to allow a 6-7 team go bowling instead.
(11-29-2012 11:33 PM)utpotts Wrote: [ -> ]In reality does a 6-6 MAC team deserve to go to a bowl game anyways????
yes - if a 6-6 team from the Big Least can go!
we have got to stop thinking like this! The MAC is strong this year and we need to soak up the lime light! this is how people used to think of boise state - now look at them.
GO MAC!!! GO ROCKETS!!! WE CAN BEAT ANYONE!
The NCAA could avoid this very easily, make a rule that if either of the two teams to meet in a confrence championship are ineligable because of sanctions (aka cheating) the confernce is penalized with the loss ot the conference championship game. Don't just start going down the list for the next of kin. It would avoid creating teams with loosing records being bowl eligable.
That being said, since the NCAA will never man up to that, just change the ruling to be; you can't have a loosing record during the "regular" season.
Having a waiver implies that there is some sort of injustice being done to a team that is given the chance to play for a conference championship that doesn't trulely deserve a chance. There is no injustice here. GT is being given a gift. There shouldn't be a waiver, make the situation black and white. There shouldn't be a gray area that needs a waiver. The whole waiver just creates a possibillity for the NCAA to be unjust sometime down the road. If they don't change, it will happen at some point. Most likely to a non-AQ conference team.
(11-30-2012 12:51 PM)Rocket_Tree Wrote: [ -> ]The NCAA could avoid this very easily, make a rule that if either of the two teams to meet in a confrence championship are ineligable because of sanctions (aka cheating) the confernce is penalized with the loss ot the conference championship game. Don't just start going down the list for the next of kin. It would avoid creating teams with loosing records being bowl eligable.
That being said, since the NCAA will never man up to that, just change the ruling to be; you can't have a loosing record during the "regular" season.
Having a waiver implies that there is some sort of injustice being done to a team that is given the chance to play for a conference championship that doesn't trulely deserve a chance. There is no injustice here. GT is being given a gift. There shouldn't be a waiver, make the situation black and white. There shouldn't be a gray area that needs a waiver. The whole waiver just creates a possibillity for the NCAA to be unjust sometime down the road. If they don't change, it will happen at some point. Most likely to a non-AQ conference team.
The only two things that matter to a bowl are: 1) who can put butts in the seat, and 2) who can draw a TV audience and that is about it-----merit has little to with it. Besides, the NCAA only pretends to run college football------The big TV $$$$$$ and the quest for them is the real driving force.
Do I believe a 6-6 CMU should be in a bowl game? No, not really. However, I do believe that the top 6 teams in the MAC, could play with just about anybody outside the Top 10. If an 8-4 BG, an 8-4 OU, a 9-3 Ball St or a 9-3 Toledo gets left out of a bowl game, that is what I have an issue with!!!
(11-30-2012 12:07 PM)Pulltown Falcon Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2012 11:33 PM)utpotts Wrote: [ -> ]In reality does a 6-6 MAC team deserve to go to a bowl game anyways????
It definitely makes a lot more sense to allow a 6-7 team go bowling instead.
If Georgia Tech was 6-6 and not about to lose in the ACC championship (a game they should not be playing), they would be going to the same terrible bowl game without a waiver. Would the MAC commissioner be upset with a 6-6 ACC team being picked over a 6-6 MAC team?
(12-01-2012 01:47 PM)Rocket Pirate Wrote: [ -> ] (11-30-2012 12:07 PM)Pulltown Falcon Wrote: [ -> ] (11-29-2012 11:33 PM)utpotts Wrote: [ -> ]In reality does a 6-6 MAC team deserve to go to a bowl game anyways????
It definitely makes a lot more sense to allow a 6-7 team go bowling instead.
If Georgia Tech was 6-6 and not about to lose in the ACC championship (a game they should not be playing), they would be going to the same terrible bowl game without a waiver. Would the MAC commissioner be upset with a 6-6 ACC team being picked over a 6-6 MAC team?
Getting picked over a 6-6 MAC team is one thing, but how about getting picked over an 8-4 Bowling Green or 8-4 Ohio MAC team?