Since we know that UL, UC and UConn are all but gone to the ACC now, what needs to happen now is for Aresco to do three things.
1. Invite ECU for football only. They can take Olympic sports to the A-10. ECU is the best option in the East to fill a void that gives you decent to potentially good football but adds nothing to the TV market.
Then invite UMass as an all sports member. UMass basketball as a replacement for UConn. That way, we bring in the Boston market, another major US market, and add a name school for basketball in the process.
2.Convince Boise State and SDSU to stay committed to the new Big East. Point to them the money difference that they will still receive even with the losses of UL, UC and UConn. Then invite Fresno State to bring in another Southern California TV market and a traveling partner with SDSU. For the 6th and final addition, invite Colorado State for the Denver market. CSU basketball and Olympic sports can go to the MVC which would take them. Tulsa wouldn't be a good addition for several reasons. Not attractive enough, bad market, and poor fan support.
3.Invite Xavier to offset the regain the Cincinnati, OH market. And then invite Butler and regain the Indianapolis market. Both Xavier and Butler bring in respectable marquee names in basketball.
If we can do all that, we can save Big East football and remain the top non BCS (top 5) conference in D1 football. And also still earn a better paycheck than the other group 5 conferences will be able to offer their members. It won't be near as much as it would have been with UConn, UL, UC and possibly BYU, but it will still be double what CUSA is getting now and more than the MWC. Probably about $8 million for all sports.
7-year deal worth about $756 million.
$8 million for all sports
$5 million for football only
$3 million for basketball only
Your new Big East Conference
Football membership
EAST DIVISION
Memphis
Temple
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida
UMass
WEST DIVISION
Boise State
San Diego State
Fresno State
Houston
SMU
Colorado State
Basketball membership
Memphis
Temple
Xavier
Butler
UMass
Georgetown
Marquette
DePaul
Villanova
St. John's
Providence
Seton Hall
South Florida
Central Florida
Houston
SMU
It's definitely not what Memphis was planning on, but it's better than having no place to play or having to go back to CUSA. It'll still get us on TV and the conference will still be among top 5 annually.
(11-24-2012 11:57 AM)TennTiger Wrote: [ -> ]Since we know that UL, UC and UConn are all but gone to the ACC now, what needs to happen now is for Aresco to do three things.
1. Invite ECU for football only. They can take Olympic sports to the A-10. ECU is the best option in the East to fill a void that gives you decent to potentially good football but adds nothing to the TV market.
Then invite UMass as an all sports member. UMass basketball as a replacement for UConn. That way, we bring in the Boston market, another major US market, and add a name school for basketball in the process.
2.Convince Boise State and SDSU to stay committed to the new Big East. Point to them the money difference that they will still receive even with the losses of UL, UC and UConn. Then invite Fresno State to bring in another Southern California TV market and a traveling partner with SDSU. For the 6th and final addition, invite Colorado State for the Denver market. CSU basketball and Olympic sports can go to the MVC which would take them. Tulsa wouldn't be a good addition for several reasons. Not attractive enough, bad market, and poor fan support.
3.Invite Xavier to offset the regain the Cincinnati, OH market. And then invite Butler and regain the Indianapolis market. Both Xavier and Butler bring in respectable marquee names in basketball.
If we can do all that, we can save Big East football and remain the top non BCS (top 5) conference in D1 football. And also still earn a better paycheck than the other group 5 conferences will be able to offer their members. It won't be near as much as it would have been with UConn, UL, UC and possibly BYU, but it will still be double what CUSA is getting now and more than the MWC. Probably about $8 million for all sports.
7-year deal worth about $756 million.
$8 million for all sports
$5 million for football only
$3 million for basketball only
Your new Big East Conference
Football membership
EAST DIVISION
Memphis
Temple
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida
UMass
WEST DIVISION
Boise State
San Diego State
Fresno State
Houston
SMU
Colorado State
Basketball membership
Memphis
Temple
Xavier
Butler
UMass
Georgetown
Marquette
DePaul
Villanova
St. John's
Providence
Seton Hall
South Florida
Central Florida
Houston
SMU
It's definitely not what Memphis was planning on, but it's better than having no place to play or having to go back to CUSA. It'll still get us on TV and the conference will still be among top 5 annually.
Switch UNLV for Colorado State as the better choice in the Western division (#40 Media market, MAACO Bowl, home in Big West for Oly sports, rival for BYU, Boise, SDSU, and Frenso).
In 2015 I think Navy still joins and BYU with them. (The path just got easier for byu to make it to the 6th Access bowl).
Colorado State will no way no how separate their sports. Fresno St would unlikely to do so either. UNLV almost certainly won't separate their sports.
And for all sports, I don't think any MW school will jump into something with a BE western div right now.
you can say better money but you don't know what the money is going to be.
Nah Lolly Pop's idea of UMASS and Delaware is how you save Big East football. Nothing screams big time football conference like those 2.
(11-24-2012 12:17 PM)dakar1 Wrote: [ -> ]Colorado State will no way no how separate their sports. Fresno St would unlikely to do so either. UNLV almost certainly won't separate their sports.
And for all sports, I don't think any MW school will jump into something with a BE western div right now.
you can say better money but you don't know what the money is going to be.
If Aresco is smart and grabs the best of rest and biggest markets then the money will be too good for CUS to pass up not to split its sports programs up. You do what's best financially for your university. Besides, the MVC would be perfect for CSU in basketball.
(11-24-2012 12:17 PM)dakar1 Wrote: [ -> ]Colorado State will no way no how separate their sports. Fresno St would unlikely to do so either. UNLV almost certainly won't separate their sports.
And for all sports, I don't think any MW school will jump into something with a BE western div right now.
you can say better money but you don't know what the money is going to be.
For all-sports the MW teams will listen. Mountain West teams literally couldnt do any worse when it comes to money. Plus the MW teams are stuck with that same contract through 2019. What I see is that it has to be all sports invites, it has to create divisions that can work for all sports, and it has to be a combination that makes 4-6 million per team. Do that and maybe somethng can be put togther.
(11-24-2012 12:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2012 12:17 PM)dakar1 Wrote: [ -> ]Colorado State will no way no how separate their sports. Fresno St would unlikely to do so either. UNLV almost certainly won't separate their sports.
And for all sports, I don't think any MW school will jump into something with a BE western div right now.
you can say better money but you don't know what the money is going to be.
For all-sports the MW teams will listen. Mountain West teams literally couldnt do any worse when it comes to money. Plus the MW teams are stuck with that same contract through 2019. What I see is that it has to be all sports invites, it has to create divisions that can work for all sports, and it has to be a combination that makes 4-6 million per team. Do that and maybe somethng can be put togther.
the MW tv contract is for 3 more years, period. There won't be any extension.
No MW schools would want to separate their sports, Boise is the only real exception. SDSU did so because is convenent for them to do it.
Yes MW schools would look at $4-6M per year for all sports, but that was the old BE money, the new BE money is going to be $2-4M/year
(11-24-2012 12:52 PM)dakar1 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2012 12:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2012 12:17 PM)dakar1 Wrote: [ -> ]Colorado State will no way no how separate their sports. Fresno St would unlikely to do so either. UNLV almost certainly won't separate their sports.
And for all sports, I don't think any MW school will jump into something with a BE western div right now.
you can say better money but you don't know what the money is going to be.
For all-sports the MW teams will listen. Mountain West teams literally couldnt do any worse when it comes to money. Plus the MW teams are stuck with that same contract through 2019. What I see is that it has to be all sports invites, it has to create divisions that can work for all sports, and it has to be a combination that makes 4-6 million per team. Do that and maybe somethng can be put togther.
the MW tv contract is for 3 more years, period. There won't be any extension.
No MW schools would want to separate their sports, Boise is the only real exception. SDSU did so because is convenent for them to do it.
Yes MW schools would look at $4-6M per year for all sports, but that was the old BE money, the new BE money is going to be $2-4M/year
Its a network option. The MW has no choice in the matter. If the network exercises the option then the MW is stuck for 3 more years. Big East money was over 12 million for all-sports. Four to six million might be possible with a best of the rest. Truthfully, nobody really knows. Its never been tried. If it cant get 4-6, then everyone will be broke and will have to play in tiny regional conferences against whatever crap schools happen to be nearby.
(11-24-2012 12:54 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2012 12:52 PM)dakar1 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2012 12:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2012 12:17 PM)dakar1 Wrote: [ -> ]Colorado State will no way no how separate their sports. Fresno St would unlikely to do so either. UNLV almost certainly won't separate their sports.
And for all sports, I don't think any MW school will jump into something with a BE western div right now.
you can say better money but you don't know what the money is going to be.
For all-sports the MW teams will listen. Mountain West teams literally couldnt do any worse when it comes to money. Plus the MW teams are stuck with that same contract through 2019. What I see is that it has to be all sports invites, it has to create divisions that can work for all sports, and it has to be a combination that makes 4-6 million per team. Do that and maybe somethng can be put togther.
the MW tv contract is for 3 more years, period. There won't be any extension.
No MW schools would want to separate their sports, Boise is the only real exception. SDSU did so because is convenent for them to do it.
Yes MW schools would look at $4-6M per year for all sports, but that was the old BE money, the new BE money is going to be $2-4M/year
Its a network option. The MW has no choice in the matter. If the network exercises the option then the MW is stuck for 3 more years. Big East money was over 12 million for all-sports. Four to six million might be possible with a best of the rest. Truthfully, nobody really knows. Its never been tried. If it cant get 4-6, then everyone will be broke and will have to play in tiny regional conferences against whatever crap schools happen to be nearby.
that is incorrect
no it's not, it's a network option, they'll exercise it at 8mil a year
(11-24-2012 01:26 PM)monty Wrote: [ -> ]no it's not, it's a network option, they'll exercise it at 8mil a year
Only solution: form a new conference.
Is that viable? Is it legally navigable? Is there a willing TV partner?
I admittedly don't know.
(11-24-2012 01:36 PM)San Juan Sun Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2012 01:26 PM)monty Wrote: [ -> ]no it's not, it's a network option, they'll exercise it at 8mil a year
Only solution: form a new conference.
Is that viable? Is it legally navigable? Is there a willing TV partner?
I admittedly don't know.
Just depends on who is in the conf. and at this point, whether ESPN wants/needs consistent west coast coverage. Anyone would be bat **** crazy to sign with CBS again, NBC has a bunch of niche content. So, like most things, does ESPN want to cobble together a western conference?
Don't worry, the best of the rest and the ACC are probably going to be a notch below the Big Ten, SEC, and PAC 12 in football but will still be pretty darn good. At the end of the day I still feel there will be more school in the major conferences than there used to be. (assuming we count the tweener leagues).
Why would the A-10 take ECU? The only sports that ECU brings any big value are baseball and football and neither is interesting to the A10 as far as I know. Wouldn't the A10 desire schools with basketball pedigrees?
(11-24-2012 11:57 AM)TennTiger Wrote: [ -> ]Since we know that UL, UC and UConn are all but gone to the ACC now, what needs to happen now is for Aresco to do three things.
1. Invite ECU for football only. They can take Olympic sports to the A-10. ECU is the best option in the East to fill a void that gives you decent to potentially good football but adds nothing to the TV market.
Then invite UMass as an all sports member. UMass basketball as a replacement for UConn. That way, we bring in the Boston market, another major US market, and add a name school for basketball in the process.
2.Convince Boise State and SDSU to stay committed to the new Big East. Point to them the money difference that they will still receive even with the losses of UL, UC and UConn. Then invite Fresno State to bring in another Southern California TV market and a traveling partner with SDSU. For the 6th and final addition, invite Colorado State for the Denver market. CSU basketball and Olympic sports can go to the MVC which would take them. Tulsa wouldn't be a good addition for several reasons. Not attractive enough, bad market, and poor fan support.
3.Invite Xavier to offset the regain the Cincinnati, OH market. And then invite Butler and regain the Indianapolis market. Both Xavier and Butler bring in respectable marquee names in basketball.
If we can do all that, we can save Big East football and remain the top non BCS (top 5) conference in D1 football. And also still earn a better paycheck than the other group 5 conferences will be able to offer their members. It won't be near as much as it would have been with UConn, UL, UC and possibly BYU, but it will still be double what CUSA is getting now and more than the MWC. Probably about $8 million for all sports.
7-year deal worth about $756 million.
$8 million for all sports
$5 million for football only
$3 million for basketball only
Your new Big East Conference
Football membership
EAST DIVISION
Memphis
Temple
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida
UMass
WEST DIVISION
Boise State
San Diego State
Fresno State
Houston
SMU
Colorado State
Basketball membership
Memphis
Temple
Xavier
Butler
UMass
Georgetown
Marquette
DePaul
Villanova
St. John's
Providence
Seton Hall
South Florida
Central Florida
Houston
SMU
It's definitely not what Memphis was planning on, but it's better than having no place to play or having to go back to CUSA. It'll still get us on TV and the conference will still be among top 5 annually.
Replace ECU with State University of New York at Stony Brook. It is the same AAU school like State University of New Jersey at Rutgers and it is closer to NYC than Rutgers. Stony Brook has been New York State flagship for hundred of years. But recently New York State recognized sports is as important as academics just like Rutgers did ten years ago and Massachusetts did five years ago and began to pour money into sports. Other flag state university should be considered for Big East expansion is Delaware.
East:
SUNY at Stony Brook
Massachusetts
Delaware
Temple
Cincinnati
USF
UCF
West:
Memphis
SMU
Houston
Colorado State or New Mexico
Boise State
SDSU
Utah State
ECU would have to be allsports, but overall there are some nuggets of good sense in this proposal. UMASS and Xavier.. The goal is going to be to make the best POSSIBLE conference. B!tching and moaning about who left won't accomplish anything, nor will incessant griping about what the BE 'should' have done to prevent it. (Newsflash, there was nothing they could have done).
We're going to have to be creative, but there are very attractive options out there for FB *and* for BB. Like I said earlier, the big 5 just can't take EVERYONE.
I trust Aresco, whatever we end up with, it will be the very best possible option. Clear #6 nationwide in FB, and a very, very good BB lineup.
I was reading up a bit on UMASS... potential but right now they are playing in the Pats stadium a loooooong way from campus. Their plan to renovate their old OCS is apparently a bit weak. 25K seats, and their renovations are not going to expand that? Just adding media boxes, etc. We could use the BB, but I don't know if they would have the funds to do the stadium right...
EDIT: Looks like they are going from 17K to 25K along with the move to the MAC. 5K more would make me feel a lot better about UMASS.
(11-24-2012 12:17 PM)dakar1 Wrote: [ -> ]Colorado State will no way no how separate their sports. Fresno St would unlikely to do so either. UNLV almost certainly won't separate their sports.
And for all sports, I don't think any MW school will jump into something with a BE western div right now.
you can say better money but you don't know what the money is going to be.
CSU is irrelevant since they won't be offered. As to UNLV, Jim Livengood is a drooling fool. Plus, what he says publicly can't be relied on.
Good game today, Cowboy. As usual, your team overachieved.
I'll admit I haven't exactly been excited about the prospect of UMass joining the BE. However, as a Left Coast guy, maybe I just don't know enough about the whatever their nickname is. (I honestly don't know. Mea culpa for that.)
Anybody who supports them care to educate me and the rest of us know-nothings?
(11-24-2012 07:18 PM)SleepingGiantsFan Wrote: [ -> ]I'll admit I haven't exactly been excited about the prospect of UMass joining the BE. However, as a Left Coast guy, maybe I just don't know enough about the whatever their nickname is. (I honestly don't know. Mea culpa for that.)
Anybody who supports them care to educate me and the rest of us know-nothings?
minutemen?