If the worst case scenario happens and the Big East dissolves and ends football inclusion, then those football schools all have options.
Boise State and SDSU can return to MWC, Houston and SMU can then join to create a a strong football league and an improved basketball league.
Meanwhile, Memphis, Temple, UCF, ECU, and possibly USF can then form their own conference for football only and join up with some solid northeastern teams like Ohio, UMass, Northern Illinois, Georgetown (could be brought up to D1), etc. It's not the ideal fit for Memphis or Temple or even USF, but it's the best option that would be remaining.
FOOTBALL-ONLY CONFERENCE
South East Division
Memphis
Southern Miss
South Florida
Central Florida
East Carolina
Charlotte
North East Division
Temple
Ohio
Massachusetts
Northern Illinois
Georgetown
Villanova
It's not great, but better than where we are now.
In basketball, Memphis, Temple, Xavier, Dayton, Butler, Saint Louis and VCU join Georgetown, Marquette, Villanova, DePaul, St. John's, Seton Hall, Providence for a revised basketball only Big East. By doing this, the NY/NJ market remains covered and the interest in keeping the men's Big East tournament at MSG in NYC.
ECU, UCF, and USF could then join the A-10 for basketball which would give it some decent teams to offset the losses of top programs to the Big East for basketball. USM can find a home for it's non football programs.
This solution makes snese and would benefit most if not all schools involved. The Big East keeps its name in basketball and remains a top 3 conference. ECU, USM, CHarlotte, UMass, GTown and Nova all moves up in football. And ECU, UCF, Memphis and Temple all move up in basketball.
Problem solved, everyone's happy.
If I am Memphis or UCF, I am not thrilled with that. Assuming UofL and Cincy leave too, I think the better plan is for the following to attempt to stick together and make a true best of the rest 14-16 team conference with ACC leftovers and/or others already under consideration ala ECU, BYU, or Fresno St.
Houston
SMU
Boise St
San Diego St
Memphis
Temple
UCF
USF
Who is left from ACC? Miami, Wake Forest, and Duke?
Other candidates:
BYU
Air Force/Colorado St
Navy
Southern Miss
ECU
Fresno St
Tulsa
You won't be a top 4 league but you would decimate the other have not leagues like CUSA and MWC.
(11-22-2012 02:34 PM)TennTiger Wrote: [ -> ]If the worst case scenario happens and the Big East dissolves and ends football inclusion, then those football schools all have options.
Boise State and SDSU can return to MWC, Houston and SMU can then join to create a a strong football league and an improved basketball league.
Meanwhile, Memphis, Temple, UCF, ECU, and possibly USF can then form their own conference for football only and join up with some solid northeastern teams like Ohio, UMass, Northern Illinois, Georgetown (could be brought up to D1), etc. It's not the ideal fit for Memphis or Temple or even USF, but it's the best option that would be remaining.
FOOTBALL-ONLY CONFERENCE
South East Division
Memphis
Southern Miss
South Florida
Central Florida
East Carolina
Charlotte
North East Division
Temple
Ohio
Massachusetts
Northern Illinois
Georgetown
Villanova
It's not great, but better than where we are now.
In basketball, Memphis, Temple, Xavier, Dayton, Butler, Saint Louis and VCU join Georgetown, Marquette, Villanova, DePaul, St. John's, Seton Hall, Providence for a revised basketball only Big East. By doing this, the NY/NJ market remains covered and the interest in keeping the men's Big East tournament at MSG in NYC.
ECU, UCF, and USF could then join the A-10 for basketball which would give it some decent teams to offset the losses of top programs to the Big East for basketball. USM can find a home for it's non football programs.
This solution makes snese and would benefit most if not all schools involved. The Big East keeps its name in basketball and remains a top 3 conference. ECU, USM, CHarlotte, UMass, GTown and Nova all moves up in football. And ECU, UCF, Memphis and Temple all move up in basketball.
Problem solved, everyone's happy.
I am Hoping Memphis lands in a good spot even though I hate those guys.
(11-22-2012 05:54 PM)Riptsa Wrote: [ -> ]I am Hoping Memphis lands in a good spot even though I hate those guys.
We hate you too, but we want hate you while we are in the same league.
Much more fun that way......Cindi!
(11-22-2012 02:34 PM)TennTiger Wrote: [ -> ]If the worst case scenario happens and the Big East dissolves and ends football inclusion, then those football schools all have options.
Boise State and SDSU can return to MWC, Houston and SMU can then join to create a a strong football league and an improved basketball league.
Meanwhile, Memphis, Temple, UCF, ECU, and possibly USF can then form their own conference for football only and join up with some solid northeastern teams like Ohio, UMass, Northern Illinois, Georgetown (could be brought up to D1), etc. It's not the ideal fit for Memphis or Temple or even USF, but it's the best option that would be remaining.
Problem solved, everyone's happy.
Do you know anything about the MWC, or are just spit-balling? 'Cause this is one of the least informed suggestions I've seen.
Just so you know, BSU & SDSU are NOT going back to the MWC. No way - no how. We didn't go into the months and months of negotiating with a variety of conferences for a new Oly sports home just to go back to a conference with an albatross of a media contract.
Nope. You can go back to C-USA if you want, but if the BE does implode (it won't), we'll build a new conference with Houston, SMU and others - which you might be invited to as well.
The MWC is on life support. They are on the verge of collapse. And it will be certain if the BE does go away. That media contract has always been the death knell. It'll ring loud and clear if the BE goes.
(11-22-2012 06:50 PM)Boise fan Wrote: [ -> ] (11-22-2012 02:34 PM)TennTiger Wrote: [ -> ]If the worst case scenario happens and the Big East dissolves and ends football inclusion, then those football schools all have options.
Boise State and SDSU can return to MWC, Houston and SMU can then join to create a a strong football league and an improved basketball league.
Meanwhile, Memphis, Temple, UCF, ECU, and possibly USF can then form their own conference for football only and join up with some solid northeastern teams like Ohio, UMass, Northern Illinois, Georgetown (could be brought up to D1), etc. It's not the ideal fit for Memphis or Temple or even USF, but it's the best option that would be remaining.
Problem solved, everyone's happy.
Do you know anything about the MWC, or are just spit-balling? 'Cause this is one of the least informed suggestions I've seen.
Just so you know, BSU & SDSU are NOT going back to the MWC. No way - no how. We didn't go into the months and months of negotiating with a variety of conferences for a new Oly sports home just to go back to a conference with an albatross of a media contract.
Nope. You can go back to C-USA if you want, but if the BE does implode (it won't), we'll build a new conference with Houston, SMU and others - which you might be invited to as well.
The MWC is on life support. They are on the verge of collapse. And it will be certain if the BE does go away. That media contract has always been the death knell. It'll ring loud and clear if the BE goes.
We, Memphis are not going back to CUSA, neither is UCF, Houston, or SMU. I for one, look at this very optimistically. I also think we could possibly see a very dynamic conference coming out of all this turmoil. I also look forward to road trips back home to Cali, and finally getting the opportunity to visit Boise.
Best option is still the best of the rest concept we newbies signed up for, 6-8 west x 6-8 east.
I want to see UC/UofL/UCONN/USF/Memphis land in a good spot....
UC/UofL/UCONN/USF because we are conf mates now and Memphis because I like memphis
1st off, BE will not dissolve. at some point, BE might be olympic sports only.
you have to take it 1 step at a time,
St Loius gets you back to 16 in BB [ 8 catholic schools ]
East Car [FB only] is 7 in east div
BYU & AF [FB only] is 7 in west div
(11-24-2012 12:59 AM)templefootballfan Wrote: [ -> ]1st off, BE will not dissolve. at some point, BE might be olympic sports only.
you have to take it 1 step at a time,
St Loius gets you back to 16 in BB [ 8 catholic schools ]
East Car [FB only] is 7 in east div
BYU & AF [FB only] is 7 in west div
Unless something happens Sunday, Im hearing the entire western division along with Temple and USF may be on our own by Monday. Guess we will see.
Hello MWC, our name is the Houston Cougars. May we join you at your table?
Excellent.
(11-24-2012 01:18 AM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]Unless something happens Sunday, I hearing the entire western division along with Temple and USF may be on our own by Monday.
Really? I've heard very little but it sure isn't close to that.
I can empathize with the leftover schools feeling upset since I went through it in the MWC with Utah, BYU and TCU. However, whatever happens, us newbies in the West will be much better off than if we were still stuck in CUSA or the MWC. I particularly feel that way about SDSU and Boise. Before our current AD, SDSU had the Three Stooges. Jim Sterk, however, has shown himself to have a triple digit IQ and a willingness to work hard. And Boise's athletics department has been well managed for years and I've enjoyed hearing from fans of Memphis, Houston and SMU, all of whom seem to have a clue unlike fans of so many of the MWC schools. So call me naive if you will but I remain very optimistic.
(11-24-2012 01:37 AM)Fireman451 Wrote: [ -> ]Hello MWC, our name is the Houston Cougars. May we join you at your table?
Excellent.
WYO
CSU
AFA
Houston
SMU
USU
BYU/Memphis/UTSA/NMSU/IDaho
UTEP
SDSU
Boise
Fresno
SJSU
UNLV
UNR
UNM
Hawaii
Wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the terrible albatross of a tv deal
(11-24-2012 01:43 AM)monty Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2012 01:37 AM)Fireman451 Wrote: [ -> ]Hello MWC, our name is the Houston Cougars. May we join you at your table?
Excellent.
WYO
CSU
AFA
Houston
SMU
USU
BYU/Memphis/UTSA/NMSU/IDaho
UTEP
SDSU
Boise
Fresno
SJSU
UNLV
UNR
UNM
Hawaii
Wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the terrible albatross of a tv deal
I dare you to advocate that on AztecMesa.
Strike that, I DOUBLE dare you.
(11-24-2012 01:49 AM)SleepingGiantsFan Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2012 01:43 AM)monty Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2012 01:37 AM)Fireman451 Wrote: [ -> ]Hello MWC, our name is the Houston Cougars. May we join you at your table?
Excellent.
WYO
CSU
AFA
Houston
SMU
USU
BYU/Memphis/UTSA/NMSU/IDaho
UTEP
SDSU
Boise
Fresno
SJSU
UNLV
UNR
UNM
Hawaii
Wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the terrible albatross of a tv deal
I dare you to advocate that on AztecMesa.
Strike that, I DOUBLE dare you.
I'm not advocating it here, just thinking through the worst case scenario
(11-22-2012 06:56 PM)SNF6 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-22-2012 06:50 PM)Boise fan Wrote: [ -> ] (11-22-2012 02:34 PM)TennTiger Wrote: [ -> ]If the worst case scenario happens and the Big East dissolves and ends football inclusion, then those football schools all have options.
Boise State and SDSU can return to MWC, Houston and SMU can then join to create a a strong football league and an improved basketball league.
Meanwhile, Memphis, Temple, UCF, ECU, and possibly USF can then form their own conference for football only and join up with some solid northeastern teams like Ohio, UMass, Northern Illinois, Georgetown (could be brought up to D1), etc. It's not the ideal fit for Memphis or Temple or even USF, but it's the best option that would be remaining.
Problem solved, everyone's happy.
Do you know anything about the MWC, or are just spit-balling? 'Cause this is one of the least informed suggestions I've seen.
Just so you know, BSU & SDSU are NOT going back to the MWC. No way - no how. We didn't go into the months and months of negotiating with a variety of conferences for a new Oly sports home just to go back to a conference with an albatross of a media contract.
Nope. You can go back to C-USA if you want, but if the BE does implode (it won't), we'll build a new conference with Houston, SMU and others - which you might be invited to as well.
The MWC is on life support. They are on the verge of collapse. And it will be certain if the BE does go away. That media contract has always been the death knell. It'll ring loud and clear if the BE goes.
We, Memphis are not going back to CUSA, neither is UCF, Houston, or SMU. I for one, look at this very optimistically. I also think we could possibly see a very dynamic conference coming out of all this turmoil. I also look forward to road trips back home to Cali, and finally getting the opportunity to visit Boise.
Glad to hear it!
We "invitees" are going to have to stick together. There is a panic beginning in those who invited us and they are all apparently looking for the nearest exit. We won't be that fortunate, so we'll have to rebuild this conference after they all piss off.
UCF, Memphis, Temple, BSU, Navy, SDSU, SMU, Houston and maybe even USF if they don't get a parachute are the ones who will be the core of the new BE.
Don't know how things will shake out, if the BB schools at some point want to dissolve or whatever - hopefully Aresco is able to convince them not to - perhaps if we let them leave without an exit fee or whatever -
IF they want out that badly. That will give us a conference to rebuild from within.
Hang on lads, the storm's a gettin' rough, but we'll make it through all right if we stick together!
(11-24-2012 01:43 AM)monty Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2012 01:37 AM)Fireman451 Wrote: [ -> ]Hello MWC, our name is the Houston Cougars. May we join you at your table?
Excellent.
WYO
CSU
AFA
Houston
SMU
USU
BYU/UTSA
UTEP
SDSU
Boise
Fresno
SJSU
UNLV
UNR
UNM
Hawaii
Wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the terrible albatross of a tv deal
This is not a bad outcome all things considering. The MWC
should be working with BSU, SDSU, UH, SMU and their TV partners to make this happen, renegotiate the current TV deal to accommodate this move.
Not sure about UTEP and UTSA to be honest but they would be good adds from a TV perspective.
If BYU says "yes" then nMWC could go grab either UTEP or UTSA to fill out 16 slots.
If BYU says no way, but the TV operators want more exposure to big TV markets then grab both UTSA and UTEP . . . otherwise stay at 14.
(11-24-2012 02:11 AM)Fireman451 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2012 01:43 AM)monty Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2012 01:37 AM)Fireman451 Wrote: [ -> ]Hello MWC, our name is the Houston Cougars. May we join you at your table?
Excellent.
WYO
CSU
AFA
Houston
SMU
USU
BYU/UTSA
UTEP
SDSU
Boise
Fresno
SJSU
UNLV
UNR
UNM
Hawaii
Wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the terrible albatross of a tv deal
This is not a bad outcome all things considering. The MWC should be working with BSU, SDSU, UH, SMU and their TV partners to make this happen, renegotiate the current TV deal to accommodate this move.
Not sure about UTEP and UTSA to be honest but they would be good adds from a TV perspective.
If BYU says "yes" then nMWC could go grab either UTEP or UTSA to fill out 16 slots.
If BYU says no way, but the TV operators want more exposure to big TV markets then grab both UTSA and UTEP . . . otherwise stay at 14.
There is nothing to go back to. CBS isn't going to renegotiate the contract with the MWC. They've had them by the short hairs for years and haven't done anything but reduce the amount they pay out.
It's an albatross. We have to find a way to keep the BE conference alive after the rats leave the ship and rebuild it ourselves.
