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Simple question.....

I think the ACC is pretty stable. Maryland was desperate for money. That's why they moved.

maryland isnt causing chaos to break lose just yet before another team leaves they will see how maryland does fighting the 50 mil exit fee. since the acc doesnt have to rush into an add since its for the 2014 season they can do there research/getting there ducks in a row for the right team.

Who would've thought the Dude was right all this time? Seriously though I never would've thought the first major strike on the ACC would've come from the B10.

I actually voted No. I think Notre Dame will end up saving the day. The partial membership to the ACC was all about having a gradual acceptance by their alumni and fans to the fact that Notre Dame's future is not one of Independence.

The Big Ten and Delany are friggin smart. They realized this and pushed the script forward. Now Notre Dame does not have as much time to reprogram the minds of their following herd. Now they have to grab the bull by the horns and ride it out or watch it run off.

I really think their only choice is to grab the horns and save the ACC but that by no means is an easy choice for their Administration to pull the trigger on. In my opinion they have intended to do so in the future but they are not prepared to do so this quickly.

No. NC State and/or Va Tech might leave for SEC one day if the SEC Network takes off as expected.

What's more important to ND? Independence or saving the ACC? I'm going with Independence. As long as they've got access I don't think they give a crap. I don't believe anybody will EVER prevent ND from having access to a playoff. If it gets bad enough they could round up the Big East non-FB schools + Xavier, Dayton, St Louis and lead the way for a Catholic League. Those schools would probably jump all over the chance at that, especially if they lose UL and /or UConn.

If Maryland successfully challenges the $50M exit fee and gets it reduced, then yes. Otherwise, not this year, but when that happens.

(11-20-2012 10:03 PM)blunderbuss Wrote: [ -> ]What's more important to ND? Independence or saving the ACC? I'm going with Independence. As long as they've got access I don't think they give a crap. I don't believe anybody will EVER prevent ND from having access to a playoff. If it gets bad enough they could round up the Big East non-FB schools + Xavier, Dayton, St Louis and lead the way for a Catholic League. Those schools would probably jump all over the chance at that, especially if they lose UL and /or UConn.

If the Big Ten and SEC move to 16, we are getting new NCAA rules. Those rules will allow for four divisions and another week of football so that they can have tournaments. The Big 12 will finally want to move to 16 for that because it solves so many of their problems that they have with expansion right now. With three major conferences at 16 and having TWO weeks of major football games after the Irish's season is over, do you really think the Irish will think it is in their best interests as far as the Playoffs go to not have a chance to play during those final two weeks?

We are going to have a human committee deciding who takes part. These playoffs are going to be the final displays they see for who is playing their best ball at the end of the season.

That kind of coverage and exposure will be huge. I would find it absolutely insane for Notre Dame to pass up that kind of opportunity in the ACC. They already are not Independent. In the Big East they decided who they played from the Big East if they ever did. That is not the case with the ACC. They have actually given up control of some of their schedule to the ACC. That is giving up one's Independence. Notre Dame is no longer an Independent, they just have a few more OOC games a year than the rest of us.

I tend to think the only 2 teams who could possibly get a reduction in the ACC exit fee would be the 2 teams which voted against it - namely Maryland and FSU. However, I really don't think they can get out of it either.

I also think that universities tend to be conservative and averse to risk-taking. The Big Ten move to add 2 no-name teams in the belief that they will reap a cable subscriber windfall is actually kind of risky when you think about it. For this reason alone I think they'll stop at 14 for now (plus, no conference has > 14 full members).

i agree they stop at 14 for now see how the maryland and rutgers b10 network stuff goes and reevaluate in a few years. look at last time bigten expanded there was talk of going to 14 or 16 then what happened they did the bear minimum going to 12 with nebraska

I have no clue. I think it's possible. I know Ga Tech is rumored to be pushing for it. Just not sure it will happen by the end of the year, if it does happen.

(11-20-2012 10:16 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]I tend to think the only 2 teams who could possibly get a reduction in the ACC exit fee would be the 2 teams which voted against it - namely Maryland and FSU. However, I really don't think they can get out of it either.

I also think that universities tend to be conservative and averse to risk-taking. The Big Ten move to add 2 no-name teams in the belief that they will reap a cable subscriber windfall is actually kind of risky when you think about it. For this reason alone I think they'll stop at 14 for now (plus, no conference has > 14 full members).

Here is the thing though. One of those institutions that you allude to is FSU and FSU has the bragging rights of having a majority of the T1 showings on ESPN by ACC football programs. That means they are a massive part of the ACC TV contract. If they were to leave then that contract is definitely getting downgraded. So really, all that is needed to affect this kind of change in the ACC is for FSU to leave. They really dont even need another ACC to go with. They could get paired with Louisville once they see that the ACC has valued Louisville enough for entry into the ACC. That is the dangerous part of the ACC choosing Louisville over UConn.

Only way they don't lose another is if ND joins for all sports. If that happens Texas also heads west and the ACC is one of the chosen one's by the skin of its teeth. The Irish will have to act fast though.

Edit: I have serious doubts that ND can be that selfless though.

notre dame wouldnt even have to join right away to stabilize the conference if they say/get in writing that in year 2016 they will join in everything the conference stabilizes

(11-20-2012 10:29 PM)blunderbuss Wrote: [ -> ]Only way they don't lose another is if ND joins for all sports. If that happens Texas also heads west and the ACC is one of the chosen one's by the skin of its teeth. The Irish will have to act fast though.

Edit: I have serious doubts that ND can be that selfless though.

People said the same thing about the Big East and Notre Dame and look what is happening to that conference.

(11-20-2012 10:29 PM)blunderbuss Wrote: [ -> ]Only way they don't lose another is if ND joins for all sports. If that happens Texas also heads west and the ACC is one of the chosen one's by the skin of its teeth. The Irish will have to act fast though.

Edit: I have serious doubts that ND can be that selfless though.

To be honest though it's really not even the selfless choice. It is really just about undoing all the programming their flock has undergone while going to Notre Dame. Football Independence is drilled into their heads all four years. Now they find themselves in a position where they need to try and undo that.

They thought they would have a couple years to do so, the Big Ten has put them on the quick clock.

It is absolutely in Notre Dame's best selfish interests to join the ACC. They will be put in a division with Pitt, Syracuse and Boston College. They will win that division more often than not and regularly be in the ACC tournament and quite likely the championship game. They will make more money in the ACC with its renegotiated tv contract and all the tournament money than they would get with NBC. It is not a selfless act, it is one in which they have to very quickly undo all the "Independence Programming" that they have instilled in Notre Dame students and alumni.

(11-20-2012 10:48 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-20-2012 10:29 PM)blunderbuss Wrote: [ -> ]Only way they don't lose another is if ND joins for all sports. If that happens Texas also heads west and the ACC is one of the chosen one's by the skin of its teeth. The Irish will have to act fast though.

Edit: I have serious doubts that ND can be that selfless though.

To be honest though it's really not even the selfless choice. It is really just about undoing all the programming their flock has undergone while going to Notre Dame. Football Independence is drilled into their heads all four years. Now they find themselves in a position where they need to try and undo that.

They thought they would have a couple years to do so, the Big Ten has put them on the quick clock.

It is absolutely in Notre Dame's best selfish interests to join the ACC. They will be put in a division with Pitt, Syracuse and Boston College. They will win that division more often than not and regularly be in the ACC tournament and quite likely the championship game. They will make more money in the ACC with its renegotiated tv contract and all the tournament money than they would get with NBC. It is not a selfless act, it is one in which they have to very quickly undo all the "Independence Programming" that they have instilled in Notre Dame students and alumni.

they would also have miami


atlantic------------------------------------------coastal
notre dame--------------------------------------georgia tech
boston college-----------------------------------clemson
syracuse-----------------------------------------virginia
miami--------------------------------------------florida state
pittsburgh----------------------------------------virginia tech
duke--------------------------------------------wake forest
north carolina------------------------------------nc state

(11-20-2012 10:56 PM)Chris02M Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-20-2012 10:48 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-20-2012 10:29 PM)blunderbuss Wrote: [ -> ]Only way they don't lose another is if ND joins for all sports. If that happens Texas also heads west and the ACC is one of the chosen one's by the skin of its teeth. The Irish will have to act fast though.

Edit: I have serious doubts that ND can be that selfless though.

To be honest though it's really not even the selfless choice. It is really just about undoing all the programming their flock has undergone while going to Notre Dame. Football Independence is drilled into their heads all four years. Now they find themselves in a position where they need to try and undo that.

They thought they would have a couple years to do so, the Big Ten has put them on the quick clock.

It is absolutely in Notre Dame's best selfish interests to join the ACC. They will be put in a division with Pitt, Syracuse and Boston College. They will win that division more often than not and regularly be in the ACC tournament and quite likely the championship game. They will make more money in the ACC with its renegotiated tv contract and all the tournament money than they would get with NBC. It is not a selfless act, it is one in which they have to very quickly undo all the "Independence Programming" that they have instilled in Notre Dame students and alumni.

they would also have miami


atlantic------------------------------------------coastal
notre dame--------------------------------------georgia tech
boston college-----------------------------------clemson
syracuse-----------------------------------------virginia
miami--------------------------------------------florida state
pittsburgh----------------------------------------virginia tech
duke--------------------------------------------wake forest
north carolina------------------------------------nc state

Absolutely, but I was talking about when we get to 16's and divisions of 4 are allowed.

The ACC is the perfect conference for Notre Dame.

The only things likely to happen by the end of the year are UConn/UL to the ACC and the BE backfilling.

Good chance ACC loses someone else by summer. But not in 6 weeks. Noone is antsy to leave.