one thing- this is possibly bad news for GT. If they lose to Georgia and then FSU, they're 6-7. They made it where if there's 70 teams, GT then won't be bowl eligible this year.
the coastal's a mess right now
Figured that would happen.
(11-19-2012 09:14 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]one thing- this is possibly bad news for GT. If they lose to Georgia and then FSU, they're 6-7. They made it where if there's 70 teams, GT then won't be bowl eligible this year.
I think there's a real chance that there won't be enough 6-6 teams to be bowl eligible. Plus I think GT goes bowling b/c the ACC won't be able to fill all its tie-ins.
http://mattsarzsports.com/Football2012/Bowls
62 bowl eligible teams for 70 slots. The only ones I'd feel very comfortable about making a bowl game are West Virginia playing Iowa St. & Kansas and Central Michigan playing UMass. Everyone else I think is a toss up.
(11-19-2012 09:35 AM)mattsarz Wrote: [ -> ] (11-19-2012 09:14 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]one thing- this is possibly bad news for GT. If they lose to Georgia and then FSU, they're 6-7. They made it where if there's 70 teams, GT then won't be bowl eligible this year.
I think there's a real chance that there won't be enough 6-6 teams to be bowl eligible. Plus I think GT goes bowling b/c the ACC won't be able to fill all its tie-ins.
http://mattsarzsports.com/Football2012/Bowls
62 bowl eligible teams for 70 slots. The only ones I'd feel very comfortable about making a bowl game are West Virginia playing Iowa St. & Kansas and Central Michigan playing UMass. Everyone else I think is a toss up.
62- then your 3 makes 65. Virginia Tech should beat UVA so 66. There's others that are pretty easy to see as well...
The concept that GT gets to go because the ACC doesn't fill all it's tie-ins- they eliminated that this season.
(11-19-2012 09:49 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-19-2012 09:35 AM)mattsarz Wrote: [ -> ] (11-19-2012 09:14 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]one thing- this is possibly bad news for GT. If they lose to Georgia and then FSU, they're 6-7. They made it where if there's 70 teams, GT then won't be bowl eligible this year.
I think there's a real chance that there won't be enough 6-6 teams to be bowl eligible. Plus I think GT goes bowling b/c the ACC won't be able to fill all its tie-ins.
http://mattsarzsports.com/Football2012/Bowls
62 bowl eligible teams for 70 slots. The only ones I'd feel very comfortable about making a bowl game are West Virginia playing Iowa St. & Kansas and Central Michigan playing UMass. Everyone else I think is a toss up.
62- then your 3 makes 65. Virginia Tech should beat UVA so 66. There's others that are pretty easy to see as well...
The concept that GT gets to go because the ACC doesn't fill all it's tie-ins- they eliminated that this season.
Who are those others? 62 + West Virginia + CMU = 64.
I don't put anyone else in the relatively safe category. I saw VT play this weekend. Also saw UVA beat Miami. Its a rivalry game, they aren't safe yet. Neither is Purdue or Michigan St. Pitt and UConn both need to win out and each plays the top of the Big East this week. Baylor has two shots at it with Texas Tech and Oklahoma St., but could play up or down.
I could see putting Rice in the somewhat safe area playing UTEP. But no one else.
Even if both Va Tech and Wake Forest win this weekend, that's not enough to cover ACC tie-ins. GT should be OK.
UCLA went bowling last year at 6-7 after losing to Oregon in the PAC 12 Championship game. GT would go for the same reasons, assuming two losses.
(11-19-2012 09:53 AM)mattsarz Wrote: [ -> ] (11-19-2012 09:49 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-19-2012 09:35 AM)mattsarz Wrote: [ -> ] (11-19-2012 09:14 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]one thing- this is possibly bad news for GT. If they lose to Georgia and then FSU, they're 6-7. They made it where if there's 70 teams, GT then won't be bowl eligible this year.
I think there's a real chance that there won't be enough 6-6 teams to be bowl eligible. Plus I think GT goes bowling b/c the ACC won't be able to fill all its tie-ins.
http://mattsarzsports.com/Football2012/Bowls
62 bowl eligible teams for 70 slots. The only ones I'd feel very comfortable about making a bowl game are West Virginia playing Iowa St. & Kansas and Central Michigan playing UMass. Everyone else I think is a toss up.
62- then your 3 makes 65. Virginia Tech should beat UVA so 66. There's others that are pretty easy to see as well...
The concept that GT gets to go because the ACC doesn't fill all it's tie-ins- they eliminated that this season.
Who are those others? 62 + West Virginia + CMU = 64.
I don't put anyone else in the relatively safe category. I saw VT play this weekend. Also saw UVA beat Miami. Its a rivalry game, they aren't safe yet. Neither is Purdue or Michigan St. Pitt and UConn both need to win out and each plays the top of the Big East this week. Baylor has two shots at it with Texas Tech and Oklahoma St., but could play up or down.
I could see putting Rice in the somewhat safe area playing UTEP. But no one else.
It's goign to be close. Ga Tech needs for only 7 to get to 69....
1 West Virginia
2 C Michigan
3 Purdue
4 Michigan St
5 Virginia Tech
6 Rice
that's 68.
then some games to watch
Marshall vs ECU
SMU vs Tulsa
Troy vs MTSU
Ole Miss vs Miss St
Wake Forest vs Vanderbilt
If the 6 locks do win, then GT would need 4/5 of those games to watch to go their way....
(11-19-2012 09:55 AM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]UCLA went bowling last year at 6-7 after losing to Oregon in the PAC 12 Championship game. GT would go for the same reasons, assuming two losses.
UCLA also went because the Pac-12 couldn't fill multiple tie-ins.
(11-19-2012 09:55 AM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]UCLA went bowling last year at 6-7 after losing to Oregon in the PAC 12 Championship game. GT would go for the same reasons, assuming two losses.
They changed the rules in the off season.
I don't like teams .500 and less going bowling, I think they've diluted the pot too much!
(11-19-2012 10:01 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-19-2012 09:55 AM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]UCLA went bowling last year at 6-7 after losing to Oregon in the PAC 12 Championship game. GT would go for the same reasons, assuming two losses.
They changed the rules in the off season.
But I have to wonder about the intent of that change. Yes, the "6-7 with the loss coming in the Championship Game" provision is a few items down the contingency line. But isn't that more appropriate for a team that "earned" its way into the Championship Game strictly on its own merits?
UCLA last year would not have been in the PAC-12 Title Game last year had USC been eligible. If Miami beats Duke on Saturday, GT would be in the same situation with losses to both GA and FSU:
- In conference championship game due to another team being ineligible
- Not enough conference tie-ins
Even if there are 70 bowl eligible teams, GT should be subject to a UCLA-style waiver before having to wait for the bowl contingency plan to play out.
Now, if Duke beats Miami, meaning that GT would have been in the ACC CG anyway, that would be different. GT would have "earned" its 6-7 record fair and square, and should be subject to the bowl contingency plan as written.
This argument may be moot anyway, either with an upset of the Bulldogs or Seminoles, or with there being less than 70 eligible teams anyway.
(11-19-2012 10:24 AM)TopayVT Wrote: [ -> ] (11-19-2012 10:01 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-19-2012 09:55 AM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]UCLA went bowling last year at 6-7 after losing to Oregon in the PAC 12 Championship game. GT would go for the same reasons, assuming two losses.
They changed the rules in the off season.
But I have to wonder about the intent of that change. Yes, the "6-7 with the loss coming in the Championship Game" provision is a few items down the contingency line. But isn't that more appropriate for a team that "earned" its way into the Championship Game strictly on its own merits?
UCLA last year would not have been in the PAC-12 Title Game last year had USC been eligible. If Miami beats Duke on Saturday, GT would be in the same situation with losses to both GA and FSU:
- In conference championship game due to another team being ineligible
- Not enough conference tie-ins
Even if there are 70 bowl eligible teams, GT should be subject to a UCLA-style waiver before having to wait for the bowl contingency plan to play out.
Now, if Duke beats Miami, meaning that GT would have been in the ACC CG anyway, that would be different. GT would have "earned" its 6-7 record fair and square, and should be subject to the bowl contingency plan as written.
This argument may be moot anyway, either with an upset of the Bulldogs or Seminoles, or with there being less than 70 eligible teams anyway.
I think the NCAA didn't want a repeat of the UCLA situation last year...
Odds pretty good that GT is safe, but there is a shot they're not. They need of the I think 16-17 teams left only 7 to become bowl eligible....
By rule the ACC champion loser can fall no further than the Sun Bowl. NO SHREVEPORT!!!!!!
well by my count right now, we're at 70 bowl eligible teams. So if GT loses on Saturday, I don't think they go bowling at all.....
the waiver is not a guarantee at all. As brought up in the story you linked- they created a new protocol this year. With us having now 70 teams bowl eligible, and with 2 more possible besides Ga Tech, it's not a lock at all....