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Miami is #4 this week, Western is #9. Also, 7 of the 8 schools in the National Hockey Conference ( new league for Miami and Western starting next year) are rated in the top 20. Denver #2, Miami #4, North Dakota #6, Western Michigan #9, Colorado College #14, St. Cloud State #15, Nebraska- Omaha #19. Only Minnesota-Duluth is unrated, and they won the national championship in 2011.

How many D-1 hockey programs are there?

(11-12-2012 04:05 PM)axeme Wrote: [ -> ]How many D-1 hockey programs are there?

About 60. (I saw one place that said 56, another that said 59, another that said 60.)

Yep, 60 is about right. So, being ranked #10 in hockey is about like being #20 in FBS football based on # of teams.

BG will probably be ranked dead last until they somehow sneak into the playoffs... again.

(11-12-2012 05:27 PM)Zig Wrote: [ -> ]BG will probably be ranked dead last until they somehow sneak into the playoffs... again.

Bowling Green has already clinched a playoff spot.

Hockey East only lets in 8 of 10 into the playoffs. Baring a miracle, Alabama Huntsville (not part of a conference) won't get in either. Every other conference lets everyone in.

(11-12-2012 05:50 PM)jjmc85 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-12-2012 05:27 PM)Zig Wrote: [ -> ]BG will probably be ranked dead last until they somehow sneak into the playoffs... again.

Bowling Green has already clinched a playoff spot.

Hockey East only lets in 8 of 10 into the playoffs. Baring a miracle, Alabama Huntsville (not part of a conference) won't get in either. Every other conference lets everyone in.

I should have clarified. The past few seasons, Bowling Green has knocked off people in the CCHA playoffs despite being ranked dead last in the final seeding. I probably should've said "sneak further into the playoffs". We actually knocked out Northern Michigan and #1(CCHA) Ferris State last season, and took M*chigan into double-OT before losing in the CCHA Semifinals. The Ferris State wins were especially insane considering they went on to play for the NCAA championship.

So yeah, you're right, I just worded my comment wrong.

Atlantic Hockey
Conference Overall
GP W-L-T PTS GF-GA GP W-L-T GF-GA
1 Niagara 5 5-0-0 10 19-2 11 6-2-3 34-24
Holy Cross 7 5-2-0 10 23-25 8 6-2-0 26-26
3 Mercyhurst 4 3-1-0 6 12-6 6 3-2-1 18-16
Robert Morris 5 3-2-0 6 20-15 7 4-3-0 24-19
5 Air Force 4 2-1-1 5 14-5 10 3-4-3 30-28
Army 5 2-2-1 5 17-17 8 2-5-1 21-31
7 Bentley 4 2-2-0 4 17-14 7 3-4-0 29-26
8 Canisius 3 1-1-1 3 7-8 10 2-5-3 16-22
RIT 5 1-3-1 3 15-19 9 2-6-1 27-39
10 Connecticut 4 1-3-0 2 6-13 7 2-4-1 12-20
11 American Int'l 3 0-2-1 1 4-11 8 3-4-1 16-29
Sacred Heart 7 0-6-1 1 14-33 9 0-8-1 19-47

CCHA
Conference Overall
GP W-L-T SOW PTS GF-GA GP W-L-T GF-GA
1 Miami 6 3-2-1 1 11 17-16 10 6-2-2 30-21
2 Alaska 6 3-2-1 0 10 14-15 10 5-3-2 23-24
3 Notre Dame 4 3-1-0 0 9 14-7 9 6-3-0 24-16
Ferris State 6 3-3-0 0 9 16-15 10 4-4-2 29-26
Lake Superior 6 3-3-0 0 9 15-13 10 5-5-0 25-28
Michigan State 6 3-3-0 0 9 20-14 10 4-5-1 28-31
7 Western Michigan 4 2-1-1 1 8 8-9 8 5-2-1 19-16
Michigan 6 2-3-1 1 8 21-22 9 4-4-1 38-32
9 Ohio State 4 1-1-2 1 6 6-7 8 2-3-3 13-19
Bowling Green 6 1-3-2 1 6 8-15 11 2-6-3 19-31
11 Northern Michigan 6 1-3-2 0 5 16-22 10 4-4-2 26-31

ECAC
Conference Overall
GP W-L-T PTS GF-GA GP W-L-T GF-GA
1 Dartmouth 4 4-0-0 8 16-7 6 5-0-1 22-9
2 Union 4 3-1-0 6 19-10 9 6-2-1 39-20
3 Princeton 2 2-0-0 4 9-3 4 2-2-0 12-8
Quinnipiac 2 2-0-0 4 7-3 9 5-3-1 19-17
Harvard 4 2-2-0 4 10-13 5 3-2-0 15-13
Yale 4 2-2-0 4 13-11 6 3-2-1 18-15
7 Clarkson 2 1-0-1 3 4-3 9 1-4-4 22-27
Cornell 4 1-2-1 3 9-12 6 3-2-1 14-14
9 Brown 4 0-2-2 2 9-11 6 1-3-2 11-16
10 St. Lawrence 2 0-1-1 1 5-7 8 5-2-1 28-15
Colgate 4 0-3-1 1 5-12 11 4-6-1 32-31
12 Rensselaer 4 0-4-0 0 5-19 8 1-5-2 16-29

Hockey East
Conference Overall
GP W-L-T PTS GF-GA GP W-L-T GF-GA
1 Boston College 8 7-1-0 14 27-16 9 8-1-0 30-17
2 New Hampshire 6 4-1-1 9 17-6 8 6-1-1 26-11
3 Boston University 6 4-2-0 8 18-15 8 5-3-0 24-21
4 Merrimack 6 3-2-1 7 20-16 10 4-5-1 30-29
5 Providence 6 3-3-0 6 11-14 9 4-4-1 23-21
6 Northeastern 7 2-4-1 5 14-19 9 4-4-1 20-20
7 Massachusetts 6 2-4-0 4 16-17 7 3-4-0 20-18
Vermont 6 1-3-2 4 10-16 6 1-3-2 10-16
9 Mass.-Lowell 5 1-3-1 3 9-13 7 2-4-1 13-19
10 Maine 6 1-5-0 2 9-19 11 2-9-0 15-35

WCHA
Conference Overall
GP W-L-T PTS GF-GA GP W-L-T GF-GA
1 Denver 6 5-1-0 10 23-12 8 7-1-0 33-15
2 Nebraska-Omaha 6 4-1-1 9 21-15 10 6-3-1 34-23
3 Colorado College 4 4-0-0 8 17-9 10 7-3-0 36-27
St. Cloud State 6 4-2-0 8 19-13 10 6-4-0 36-25
5 Minnesota 6 3-2-1 7 18-16 9 6-2-1 31-18
6 North Dakota 4 2-1-1 5 12-9 8 4-3-1 24-17
7 Bemidji State 4 1-2-1 3 11-14 6 2-3-1 16-16
Wisconsin 4 1-2-1 3 8-10 6 1-4-1 11-16
9 Michigan Tech 6 1-5-0 2 14-23 8 2-6-0 24-31
Minnesota State 6 1-5-0 2 14-23 10 3-5-2 27-32
Alaska-Anchorage 4 0-2-2 2 6-13 8 2-3-3 17-24
12 Minnesota-Duluth 4 0-3-1 1 7-13 8 2-5-1 19-23

Independents
Penn State
Alabama Huntsville

Iowa State and Colorado State have been rumored to upgrade to D1
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/reports/standings.php

(11-12-2012 06:10 PM)Zig Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-12-2012 05:50 PM)jjmc85 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-12-2012 05:27 PM)Zig Wrote: [ -> ]BG will probably be ranked dead last until they somehow sneak into the playoffs... again.

Bowling Green has already clinched a playoff spot.

Hockey East only lets in 8 of 10 into the playoffs. Baring a miracle, Alabama Huntsville (not part of a conference) won't get in either. Every other conference lets everyone in.

I should have clarified. The past few seasons, Bowling Green has knocked off people in the CCHA playoffs despite being ranked dead last in the final seeding. I probably should've said "sneak further into the playoffs". We actually knocked out Northern Michigan and #1(CCHA) Ferris State last season, and took M*chigan into double-OT before losing in the CCHA Semifinals. The Ferris State wins were especially insane considering they went on to play for the NCAA championship.

So yeah, you're right, I just worded my comment wrong.

I'm actually kind of wrong. I forgot all about Penn State. They won't make the playoffs either.

(11-12-2012 04:20 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote: [ -> ]Yep, 60 is about right. So, being ranked #10 in hockey is about like being #20 in FBS football based on # of teams.

Miami fans might understand this better if you say they are in the 90th percentile!

Hockey standings are odd. Miami is first with 11 points in 6 games. WM is 7th with 8 points in 4 games. Actually Western is averaging 2 points per game, Miami slightly under 2ppg.

How is that odd? Miami's just played more games.

(11-14-2012 07:09 PM)DICK Wrote: [ -> ]Hockey standings are odd. Miami is first with 11 points in 6 games. WM is 7th with 8 points in 4 games. Actually Western is averaging 2 points per game, Miami slightly under 2ppg.

I agree. A sensible ranking system allows you to fairly compare teams that have played a different number of games.

If one team is 1-1, another team is 2-2, and another team is 3-3, they should all be tied, because they're all .500. If one team is 2-1 and another team is 4-2 they should be tied because they're both .667. A 2-1 team (.667) should be ahead of a 3-3 team (.500).

Counting a win as 3 points and a tie as 2 points (which is what it seems to be here), a 3-2-1 team is .611 (11 points out of 18 possible). A 2-1-1 team is .667. The 2-1-1 team should be ahead of the 3-2-1 team.

Another way to look at it is to equalize the games based on pace. 2-1-1 is on pace for 6-3-3, while 3-2-1 is on pace for 6-4-2. 6-3-3 is better than 6-4-2, so 2-1-1 is better than 3-2-1.

(11-15-2012 10:52 AM)JSF Wrote: [ -> ]How is that odd? Miami's just played more games.

In other sports teams are ranked by winning percentage, which would make Western a first place team instead of a 7th place team.

(11-15-2012 11:43 AM)cmadler Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-14-2012 07:09 PM)DICK Wrote: [ -> ]Hockey standings are odd. Miami is first with 11 points in 6 games. WM is 7th with 8 points in 4 games. Actually Western is averaging 2 points per game, Miami slightly under 2ppg.

I agree. A sensible ranking system allows you to fairly compare teams that have played a different number of games.

If one team is 1-1, another team is 2-2, and another team is 3-3, they should all be tied, because they're all .500. If one team is 2-1 and another team is 4-2 they should be tied because they're both .667. A 2-1 team (.667) should be ahead of a 3-3 team (.500).

Counting a win as 3 points and a tie as 2 points (which is what it seems to be here), a 3-2-1 team is .611 (11 points out of 18 possible). A 2-1-1 team is .667. The 2-1-1 team should be ahead of the 3-2-1 team.

Another way to look at it is to equalize the games based on pace. 2-1-1 is on pace for 6-3-3, while 3-2-1 is on pace for 6-4-2. 6-3-3 is better than 6-4-2, so 2-1-1 is better than 3-2-1.

Ties are a bit complicated, too. Rules for the CCHA and the NCAA are different. In the CCHA, every game is worth 3 points. A regulation win gets you 3 points. If a game is tied at the end of regulation, there is a 5 minute OT. If you score, the game ends and you get the 3 points. If it is still tied, the CCHA has a shootout. The winner of the shootout gets 2 points, the loser 1 point.

The NCAA does not recognize shootouts, so if the game is tied after the OT, it is called a tie. Now selection of NCAA tournament teams is based on a mathematical system called Pairwise. For Pairwise purposes, every game is a win, a loss, or a tie.

(11-15-2012 03:24 PM)DICK Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-15-2012 10:52 AM)JSF Wrote: [ -> ]How is that odd? Miami's just played more games.

In other sports teams are ranked by winning percentage, which would make Western a first place team instead of a 7th place team.

But other sports don't have ties, right? If you want to do winning percentage, gotta get rid of those ties.

In college football, I believe we use to count ties as half a win and half a loss and then listed standings by percentages. Once in a great while teams used to have 3 or 4 ties in a year.

Or, if you're counting 3 points for a win, 2 points for a shootout win, and one point for a shootout loss, you can always convert that to a percentage. Just figure out the maximum possible points (3 points per win times number of games played), and divide actual points by that.

For example, if a team is 3-2-1 with the "tie" as a shootout win, they have 11 points (3 wins times 3 points each, plus one shootout win at two points) out of a maximum of 18 (six games at a potential 3 points each). 11/18 is 61.1%. There's always a way...

and MIAMI beats Michigan State in a shootout!!!!

Love and Honor!!!

Just as long as we're using this as a makeshift hockey thread, BG took last year's national runner-up Ferris State to OT after being down 0-3. BG ended up losing 3-4 in OT, but it was definitely a nice comeback.