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I ran to Menards for some materials for the grand kids treehouse. On the way home I'm listening to a local kazoo radio station. It is the farm report. They have a guest, a rep for the regional grain association. They are talking about price supports for farm commodity prices. The pitch is that it is absolutely crucial for pending legislation supporting farm prices to pass. They can't survive without that. Agriculture is a global business. We need to understand other governments are providing that support, and without similar support they have an unfair advantage.

This is the same station that has the Rush show and the Levin drivel, etc.

Now, I have nothing against farmers. And I prefer local food.

But, it struck me, this is the same audience that rails against the sense of entitlement, and probably feels the "47%" are lazy and unproductive.

So is the principle here somehow different? Maybe farm price supports are a good thing. I don't really know. But I was sensing some hypocrisy there.

Reminds me of the people who refinanced their FHA loans via Obamas program and then say they want the government off their back.

When U think about it, there are a ton of government subsidies: oil, energy, transportation, agriculture, not to mention various tax breaks for mortgages, business expenses, etc. subsidies are not just for "welfare queens" anymore.

Give me some handouts.

You're going to a public university right now you knucklehead.

(10-21-2012 12:44 AM)DesertBronco Wrote: [ -> ]You're going to a public university right now you knucklehead.

But I'm paying full tuition? I'm confused. I just want handouts.

If you were paying FULL TUITION, it would be a LOT MORE kid, trust me. You pay prolly half of the full cost, used to be much less but lately government assisting the regular people isn't what it used to be with having to bail out Wall Street, the rich and all. See?

Where are my handouts?

You have your iPhone, your daddy buys you WMU tickets, quitcherbitchen.

Here's the next thing that came in my mind. People complain about Food Stamps. But where does the actual money go? Obviously to recipients, but their money actually ends up with farmers, processors, food market owners, transportation trucking. So Food Stamps is really a program to aid farmers?

Now. I'm a taxpayer, but I'm not a farmer. So is it socialism to tax me and give the money to farmers? So is the agriculture department really just a front for socialism?

Might be, but it's an effective program. Beats my taxes going to prop up big banks when they overextend themselves and make bad trades in their pyramid schemes. Also beats my taxes going to corporations who purposely dried up their pension funds and then took off overseas.

I sort of agree. Even if the farm program is socialism in practice, it keeps good honest people working and delivers food to the hungry.

In this view, socialism as a philosopy is not a problem as long as it delivers desirable end products?

Mainly, it just bugs me the same people complaining about entitlements are really the ones on the dole.

Quote:Mainly, it just bugs me the same people complaining about entitlements are really the ones on the dole.

That's EXACTLY what I feel.

Plus, the very same people who rail about the government are red states who receive farm subsidies and are paid NOT TO FARM in many cases. It's ironic that they contribute less and take more all the wile complaining about that "bad government" interfering with their lives.

(10-21-2012 06:22 PM)Dirty Ernie Wrote: [ -> ]I sort of agree. Even if the farm program is socialism in practice, it keeps good honest people working and delivers food to the hungry.

In this view, socialism as a philosopy is not a problem as long as it delivers desirable end products?

You know, if we could just get rid of the "ism" labels and all the negatives they automatically trigger, and just go with what works ....

Why is it that the same people who fawn over the Muslim religion, are also big supporters of gay rights and women's rights, but they turn a blind eye to Muslims lack of intollerance towards gays and women?

Read Leviticus one time and then get back to me.

(10-23-2012 12:57 PM)Chipdip Wrote: [ -> ]Why is it that the same people who fawn over the Muslim religion, are also big supporters of gay rights and women's rights, but they turn a blind eye to Muslims lack of intollerance towards gays and women?

Count me as one who supports Women's rights and GLBT rights. What I don't support is the intolerance that seems to come with religious groups of all stripes. Pretty much the same as far as I am concerned. Muslim, Christian, Hindi, Mormon, whatever...as soon as they start imposing their beliefs on the non-believers we are going to have problems. How many more wars do we need to have stirred up by religious beliefs? Enjoy whatever you choose to believe, but don't cram it down someone else's throat.

(10-23-2012 05:47 PM)chipfan Wrote: [ -> ]Count me as one who supports Women's rights and GLBT rights. What I don't support is the intolerance that seems to come with religious groups of all stripes. Pretty much the same as far as I am concerned. Muslim, Christian, Hindi, Mormon, whatever...as soon as they start imposing their beliefs on the non-believers we are going to have problems. How many more wars do we need to have stirred up by religious beliefs? Enjoy whatever you choose to believe, but don't cram it down someone else's throat.

Spot-on. I'm with ya 100%.

Chipfan

Quote:Count me as one who supports Women's rights and GLBT rights. What I don't support is the intolerance that seems to come with religious groups of all stripes. Pretty much the same as far as I am concerned. Muslim, Christian, Hindi, Mormon, whatever...as soon as they start imposing their beliefs on the non-believers we are going to have problems.

Please show me the Christian equivalent

In the Muslim culture if a husband accuses his wife of infidelity it can go to court and she can be stoned to death.

Full body Birkas are required in some Muslim societies even though the tempertures in these areas can exceed 100 degrees.

Saudie Muslims females can't drive. Their excuse? Driving a car with a face veil is a saftey hazard But of course they are REQUIRED to wear the veil.

Speaking of Mormons. In the Muslim culture a man can marry 4 times, a women only once. The difference being, poligamy in the Mormon culture is rare, in the Muslim culture its considered normal.

In the Muslim culture if a woman is out at night and not escorted by a male she faces punishment from her husband as severe as having her clitoris removed. Clitoridectomies are also performed on young girls. To be fair this practice also takes place in some Christian religions in Africa.

Muslim women cant pray if they are menstruating.

Muslim women cannot marry non-Muslim men.

Christians and Mormans do missions to help people all over the world. Can you give me a equivalent in the Muslim religion?

Has there been a of 9-11, USS Cole, Lockerby, or Bengazi from any other religion?

Is there any other religion threatening to wipe out the Jews?

(10-23-2012 01:57 PM)Dirty Ernie Wrote: [ -> ]Read Leviticus one time and then get back to me.

Leviticus 19
Do not be sexually involved with your close relatives
Do not be sexually involved with your mother or step-mother
Do not be sexually involved with your sister, step-sister, or sister-in-law
Do not be sexually involved with your aunts (biological or through marriage)
Do not be sexually involved with your granddaughter
Do not be sexually involved with your daughter-in-law
Do not be sexually involved with a woman as well as her daughter
Do not be sexually involved with a ritually unclean woman
Do not be sexually involved with your neighbour's wife
Do not pass your seed/children through the fire to moloch
Do not be sexually involved with a man as you would with a woman
Do not be sexually involved with a beast

I'm not following you? You agree with these, or you encourage involvment with animals, relatives, etc.? Which is it?