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http://uoflcardgame.com/tom-jurich-rolls...ues/34295/

Please proceed to bash away. 05-stirthepot

Conference: We're still doing whats best for UL, be in BE or elsewhere.....I know you all won't want to hear that, but thats an honest answer to UL supporters and for that matter anyone else listening.

TV negotiations: Large markets brought in by old commish, rather large number being floated about, realizes UL/Louisville not a big tv market but is a college only town

Strong: Will match anybody in pay, can only do so much for school, at end of day its up to the coach to want to stay or not.

So far nothing said from him about bowls..assume this could be mentioned in the follow up article Card Game mentions at bottom of his article.
No bashing. If anybody gets invited out of here, they'll leave.

Quite encouraging comment about TV negotiations. He said it is quite a large number, but he's not sure if it will stop the bleeding.

Strong is like any other coach who has success. He'll go to a bigger, more prestigious FB school if he gets an offer. The conference you're in is not the big selling point. I doubt Strong would leave for UK, lol.

I doubt he can say anything about a bowl that Aresco hasn't said, b/c it's not done yet.

Interesting how negative he is about the possible NBA franchise. Most people in Memphis will tell you having the Grizzlies around has been a positive thing for the city of Memphis, and for the Tigers.
USF and any other University would like a "tell it like is is" A.D. like Tom Jurich.....
It won't be a surprise if/when UL leaves. Jurich is taking the high road here, and I don't have a problem with that.
You guys are missing the good news here. Excerpt:

TV Negotiations: “I think it’s going to a rather large number.
Whether that will stop the (Big East) bleeding, I don’t know … We got to make the Big East the best it can be … Everything is dictated by television sets and cable. Our last commissioner had a great vision in adding Dallas, San Diego, Houston, Orlando, Philadelphia and other markets."
(10-17-2012 07:21 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote: [ -> ]http://uoflcardgame.com/tom-jurich-rolls...ues/34295/

Please proceed to bash away. 05-stirthepot

Conference: We're still doing whats best for UL, be in BE or elsewhere.....I know you all won't want to hear that, but thats an honest answer to UL supporters and for that matter anyone else listening.

TV negotiations: Large markets brought in by old commish, rather large number being floated about, realizes UL/Louisville not a big tv market but is a college only town

Strong: Will match anybody in pay, can only do so much for school, at end of day its up to the coach to want to stay or not.

So far nothing said from him about bowls..assume this could be mentioned in the follow up article Card Game mentions at bottom of his article.

From the article:

Quote:Conference Affiliation: “Where we will end up, your guess is as good as mine … This is a great institution … All we can do is take care of ourselves, be the best we can be, stay humble and hungry and do everything we do with class and integrity. If we do all those things, it will pay off. If someone says to me we are stuck in this league, I say to them the ones who are stuck are the people who don’t have a league. We have a nice home. I want to make sure if we do move that it’s for the right reasons.”

Quote:TV Negotiations: “I think it’s going to a rather large number. Whether that will stop the (Big East) bleeding, I don’t know … We got to make the Big East the best it can be

Those are really good answers to hear from any AD, let alone Louisville's. I wouldn't blame anyone for jumping for a better deal, but at least Jurich has the right focus on the here and now, not just on getting out.
(10-17-2012 07:21 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote: [ -> ]http://uoflcardgame.com/tom-jurich-rolls...ues/34295/

Please proceed to bash away. 05-stirthepot

Conference: We're still doing whats best for UL, be in BE or elsewhere.....I know you all won't want to hear that, but thats an honest answer to UL supporters and for that matter anyone else listening.

TV negotiations: Large markets brought in by old commish, rather large number being floated about, realizes UL/Louisville not a big tv market but is a college only town

Strong: Will match anybody in pay, can only do so much for school, at end of day its up to the coach to want to stay or not.

So far nothing said from him about bowls..assume this could be mentioned in the follow up article Card Game mentions at bottom of his article.

OK I haven't read the article yet so it's going to be interesting to see how he pulled the "Louisville isn't a large market but a 'college town'" one off. EDIT -- ok "college only town" - as in no pro teams. Got it 03-wink
(10-17-2012 07:21 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote: [ -> ]http://uoflcardgame.com/tom-jurich-rolls...ues/34295/

Please proceed to bash away. 05-stirthepot

Conference: We're still doing whats best for UL, be in BE or elsewhere.....I know you all won't want to hear that, but thats an honest answer to UL supporters and for that matter anyone else listening.

Here's his exact quote:

Conference Affiliation: “Where we will end up, your guess is as good as mine … This is a great institution … All we can do is take care of ourselves, be the best we can be, stay humble and hungry and do everything we do with class and integrity. If we do all those things, it will pay off. If someone says to me we are stuck in this league, I say to them the ones who are stuck are the people who don’t have a league. We have a nice home. I want to make sure if we do move that it’s for the right reasons.”
Any better conference comes calling any team will be gone. But same with the ACC .No ACC team would turn down the SEC. But if more $$ is offered to anyteam not in SEC they will be gone to. thats the new thing in college football. No one is loyal.
(10-17-2012 08:15 AM)TripleA Wrote: [ -> ]You guys are missing the good news here. Excerpt:

TV Negotiations: “I think it’s going to a rather large number.
Whether that will stop the (Big East) bleeding, I don’t know … We got to make the Big East the best it can be … Everything is dictated by television sets and cable. Our last commissioner had a great vision in adding Dallas, San Diego, Houston, Orlando, Philadelphia and other markets."

Well two more weeks before the REAL TV negotiations begin.
Does anyone think Jurich would say "rather large number" if Big East all sport schools were going to pull down less than $10M a year in TV money?

I don't.

I read his comments to mean at least $10M a year and perhaps close to $20M a year. Probably somewhere in the middle.
(10-17-2012 08:59 AM)Duffman Wrote: [ -> ]Any better conference comes calling any team will be gone. But same with the ACC .No ACC team would turn down the SEC. But if more $$ is offered to anyteam not in SEC they will be gone to. thats the new thing in college football. No one is loyal.

I think it's much more complicated than that. While money is the #1 issue overall, it's not correct that it's the *only* issue. If Notre Dame wanted to flat out make the most TV money, then it would drop independence and join the Big Ten. Texas would make more TV money as a full member of either the Big Ten or SEC than it would by keeping its Longhorn Network contract. Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri and Texas A&M are all likely much better off in the long-term by moving to their new leagues than staying in the Big 12, but it wasn't a huge TV revenue gap that caused their moves. They were much more concerned about long-term stability and cultural fit. Those are also the reasons why schools like FSU and Clemson aren't necessarily just going to jump to the Big 12 even though that conference can offer more TV money right now than the ACC. I don't think that there's any amount of money that you could offer UNC to leave its position of power in the ACC for the SEC.

It's funny that I'm saying this because 3 years ago I was someone that continuously talked about the importance of TV contracts in conference realignment while the general public seemed to just care about geography and rivalries. Now, it's as if though it has gone in the opposite direction, where there's this complete belief that it's ONLY about TV money. While all expansion moves are mercenary to some degree, all of the ones made by the Big Ten, Pac-12 and ACC *did* follow more than just adding the most money possible. They all added schools that fit their academic and cultural fit requirements even though there were other schools available (e.g. West Virginia, Louisville, BYU, Boise State) that would have added more football-wise. The SEC found a great cultural fit with Texas A&M; Missouri was more of a stretch, but a necessary addition because A&M was so valuable.

It's not an accident that those 4 leagues happen to be the oldest and most established. For as much as we talk about football money being the end-all be-all, every one of those moves were, at the very least, "football plus something else" moves as opposed to purely football revenue decisions. When you're an established league, you can (and do) look at factors beyond just how much TV money a particular school can add.

To be sure, everyone other than those 4 conferences (starting with the Big 12 and Big East and going on down) pretty much only can look at how much TV revenue a school has. They don't have the luxury to be choosy on academic or cultural fit requirements. I have a TON of respect for the WVU athletic department, but the Big 12 adding them is the very essence of a purely revenue-driven move (as several schools believed Louisville fit the league better overall and less out-of-whack geographically, but WVU was the most valuable to the TV partners). The Big East, in turn, has essentially created a football-only coast-to-coast conference with schools such as Boise State and San Diego State for TV purposes.

So, it really depends upon the school (e.g. are they academically snobby and/or a legit power player in their current league) and the conference (e.g. once again, whether they are academically snobby). For the 4 established leagues, it's really a sliding scale between TV revenue and the other factors (academics, culture, geography), whereas everyone else is purely in revenue generation (or survival) mode.
(10-17-2012 09:07 AM)CougarRed Wrote: [ -> ]Does anyone think Jurich would say "rather large number" if Big East all sport schools were going to pull down less than $10M a year in TV money?

I don't.

I read his comments to mean at least $10M a year and perhaps close to $20M a year. Probably somewhere in the middle.
Yeah, that comment begs the question, doesn't it? I don't think $10M would make him say that, b/c it's less than was offered last year w/o going to open bidding. My impression is we're talking ACC money, or better.

Guess it depends on whether he is measuring against what we have now, or against what others are currently getting with their new contracts. I assume it's the latter.
(10-17-2012 08:53 AM)KnightLight Wrote: [ -> ]Here's his exact quote:

Conference Affiliation: “Where we will end up, your guess is as good as mine … This is a great institution … All we can do is take care of ourselves, be the best we can be, stay humble and hungry and do everything we do with class and integrity. If we do all those things, it will pay off. If someone says to me we are stuck in this league, I say to them the ones who are stuck are the people who don’t have a league. We have a nice home. I want to make sure if we do move that it’s for the right reasons.”

Bit of work to do in that department. 05-stirthepot
(10-17-2012 09:29 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-17-2012 08:59 AM)Duffman Wrote: [ -> ]Any better conference comes calling any team will be gone. But same with the ACC .No ACC team would turn down the SEC. But if more $$ is offered to anyteam not in SEC they will be gone to. thats the new thing in college football. No one is loyal.

I think it's much more complicated than that. While money is the #1 issue overall, it's not correct that it's the *only* issue. If Notre Dame wanted to flat out make the most TV money, then it would drop independence and join the Big Ten. Texas would make more TV money as a full member of either the Big Ten or SEC than it would by keeping its Longhorn Network contract. Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri and Texas A&M are all likely much better off in the long-term by moving to their new leagues than staying in the Big 12, but it wasn't a huge TV revenue gap that caused their moves. They were much more concerned about long-term stability and cultural fit. Those are also the reasons why schools like FSU and Clemson aren't necessarily just going to jump to the Big 12 even though that conference can offer more TV money right now than the ACC. I don't think that there's any amount of money that you could offer UNC to leave its position of power in the ACC for the SEC.

It's funny that I'm saying this because 3 years ago I was someone that continuously talked about the importance of TV contracts in conference realignment while the general public seemed to just care about geography and rivalries. Now, it's as if though it has gone in the opposite direction, where there's this complete belief that it's ONLY about TV money. While all expansion moves are mercenary to some degree, all of the ones made by the Big Ten, Pac-12 and ACC *did* follow more than just adding the most money possible. They all added schools that fit their academic and cultural fit requirements even though there were other schools available (e.g. West Virginia, Louisville, BYU, Boise State) that would have added more football-wise. The SEC found a great cultural fit with Texas A&M; Missouri was more of a stretch, but a necessary addition because A&M was so valuable.

It's not an accident that those 4 leagues happen to be the oldest and most established. For as much as we talk about football money being the end-all be-all, every one of those moves were, at the very least, "football plus something else" moves as opposed to purely football revenue decisions. When you're an established league, you can (and do) look at factors beyond just how much TV money a particular school can add.

To be sure, everyone other than those 4 conferences (starting with the Big 12 and Big East and going on down) pretty much only can look at how much TV revenue a school has. They don't have the luxury to be choosy on academic or cultural fit requirements. I have a TON of respect for the WVU athletic department, but the Big 12 adding them is the very essence of a purely revenue-driven move (as several schools believed Louisville fit the league better overall and less out-of-whack geographically, but WVU was the most valuable to the TV partners). The Big East, in turn, has essentially created a football-only coast-to-coast conference with schools such as Boise State and San Diego State for TV purposes.So, it really depends upon the school (e.g. are they academically snobby and/or a legit power player in their current league) and the conference (e.g. once again, whether they are academically snobby). For the 4 established leagues, it's really a sliding scale between TV revenue and the other factors (academics, culture, geography), whereas everyone else is purely in revenue generation (or survival) mode.

Great, insightful post, Frank, and I don't disagree. The new Big East took a bold new approach (the only one available) which may prove that there is more than one way to skin a cat. The United States of America is a good example of how big new experiments sometimes exceed the wildest expectations. Sure is fun to watch and hope.
It will be interesting to hear the un-official rumors from the Jurich speech. 04-cheers
I can't buy Frank's statement about West Virginia. The state has about 1.8 million people and media income is around $ 38,000.00 per person. So the TV sets are few compared to any of the cities added by the BE. Greater Cincinnati has more people and TV sets then the in tire state of West Virginia. The WVU fan base is passionate and follows the team.
(10-17-2012 10:12 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-17-2012 08:53 AM)KnightLight Wrote: [ -> ]Here's his exact quote:

Conference Affiliation: “Where we will end up, your guess is as good as mine … This is a great institution … All we can do is take care of ourselves, be the best we can be, stay humble and hungry and do everything we do with class and integrity. If we do all those things, it will pay off. If someone says to me we are stuck in this league, I say to them the ones who are stuck are the people who don’t have a league. We have a nice home. I want to make sure if we do move that it’s for the right reasons.”

Bit of work to do in that department. 05-stirthepot

03-lmfao Good Catch!
(10-17-2012 10:27 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote: [ -> ]It will be interesting to hear the un-official rumors from the Jurich speech. 04-cheers

Yes, but please jerk-off to them privately..... 05-stirthepot
(10-17-2012 10:58 AM)Borncoog74 Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-17-2012 10:27 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote: [ -> ]It will be interesting to hear the un-official rumors from the Jurich speech. 04-cheers

Yes, but please jerk-off to them privately..... 05-stirthepot

We are already hearing them. But this is not the place to discuss them. 04-cheers
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