MU already has 3 TO's in first qtr, including a pick 6 and are down 14-6 (MU scored first and for some reason went for 2 and failed). MU has 7 first downs to 1 for UC, but with the TO's they don't need any!
(10-06-2012 06:52 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote: [ -> ](MU scored first and for some reason went for 2 and failed).
It looked like a botched snap to the place holder on PAT attempt...not intentional play to go for two
Was 24-14 at half but now Bearcats blowing out MU, 38-14.
Dysert throws another INT deep in Miami territory....Cats at MU 13 and ready to cash in as 4th qtr starts. At this rate, Cincy may hang 70 on us tonight.
7 losses in a row against UC by Miami.
How do you feel about losing for a school record 7th time against Ohio?
(10-06-2012 09:09 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote: [ -> ]7 losses in a row against UC by Miami.
How do you feel about losing for a school record 7th time against Ohio?
Probably alot better than losing 12 in a row to Toledo.
Well, losing to a BCS team like UC that has won or tied for its conference championship 3 of the last 4 years just troubles me a tad....losing to the likes of OU troubles me greatly but in the MAC there will be parity again some day. Against UC, not so sure.
P.S. Our defense sux. But in fairness to them, our offense gave it away over and over on TO's.
The BCS money has really boosted UC on the field. I think UC is by far the best team in the Big East now. Toledo vs UC should be a game the may be more conpetitive. Miami doesn't have the running game that is needed to beat a top 20 team like Cincinnati.
(10-06-2012 10:27 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote: [ -> ]Well, losing to a BCS team like UC that has won or tied for its conference championship 3 of the last 4 years just troubles me a tad....losing to the likes of OU troubles me greatly but in the MAC there will be parity again some day. Against UC, not so sure.
With the new indoor practice facility Ohio is putting distance on Miami's program.
These are different days as Ohio, NIU, Toledo have been good for several years now through multiple QB changes. The days where MAC programs lived or died by QB play look to be over.
KSU has had a really nice IPF for over 20 years.
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While useful, fans of teams who get a new one and fans of teams who are trying to get one way overstate their importance. Giving credit to an IPF for a team's success ignores the teams who have success without one and teams who have them and don't have success. I'm sure they are helpful, but there doesn't seem to be any strong correlation to winning football games.
Coaches are the key to that. In the MAC, coaches who can develop talent are the single major factor in schools' football successes. Much more important than recruiting rankings, and IPF's are way down the list.
(10-07-2012 08:39 AM)axeme Wrote: [ -> ]KSU has had a really nice IPF for over 20 years.
While useful, fans of teams who get a new one and fans of teams who are trying to get one way overstate their importance. Giving credit to an IPF for a team's success ignores the teams who have success without one and teams who have them and don't have success. I'm sure they are helpful, but there doesn't seem to be any strong correlation to winning football games.
Coaches are the key to that. In the MAC, coaches who can develop talent are the single major factor in schools' football successes. Much more important than recruiting rankings, and IPF's are way down the list.
Absolutely agree
(10-07-2012 08:39 AM)axeme Wrote: [ -> ]KSU has had a really nice IPF for over 20 years.
While useful, fans of teams who get a new one and fans of teams who are trying to get one way overstate their importance. Giving credit to an IPF for a team's success ignores the teams who have success without one and teams who have them and don't have success. I'm sure they are helpful, but there doesn't seem to be any strong correlation to winning football games.
Coaches are the key to that. In the MAC, coaches who can develop talent are the single major factor in schools' football successes. Much more important than recruiting rankings, and IPF's are way down the list.
That Ohio's IPF will be brand new while KSU and other schools across the MAC practice in a facility that is 15-20 that is an additional advantage.
And to coaching, Frank Solich and Jim Christian are the highest paid coaches in the MAC. That is a commitment by the Ohio athletic administration to keep FB and BB on top.
Just being newer means nothing. What is it about OU's IPF that makes it so much different from anyone else's? It's a place to practice when weather is bad. You can put training equipment in it which KSU has continually upgraded. If the newness of facilities were important, NIU basketball would be on top and KSU, Ohio, and Akron would be on the bottom.
Coaching, coaching, coaching.
The most overrated factors in athletic success are facilities and number of fans.
Amazing how a thread about the Miami-UC game got derailed by a certain blowhard bragging about Ohio.
Question for the "Next Boise State," of the Midwest, won any MAC Football championships lately?
(10-07-2012 09:21 AM)axeme Wrote: [ -> ]Just being newer means nothing. What is it about OU's IPF that makes it so much different from anyone else's? It's a place to practice when weather is bad. You can put training equipment in it which KSU has continually upgraded. If the newness of facilities were important, NIU basketball would be on top and KSU, Ohio, and Akron would be on the bottom.
Coaching, coaching, coaching.
The most overrated factors in athletic success are facilities and number of fans.
+1, but it gives people an opportunity to spend MILLIONS. Going back in the day when "Astroturf" first came out; all the Southern schools got it because they had cash and it was the stupidest idea possible based on the whether and actual surface.
BTW, how many sq ft of a weight room do you need for your team? Some of these monsters in the SEC are obscene.
(10-07-2012 09:21 AM)axeme Wrote: [ -> ]Just being newer means nothing. What is it about OU's IPF that makes it so much different from anyone else's? It's a place to practice when weather is bad. You can put training equipment in it which KSU has continually upgraded. If the newness of facilities were important, NIU basketball would be on top and KSU, Ohio, and Akron would be on the bottom.
Coaching, coaching, coaching.
The most overrated factors in athletic success are facilities and number of fans.
The #1 factor is money. Having a lot of money will buy you the quality coaching staff you need.
Number of fans does help the bottom line so a program can afford expensive coaches.
If a new stadium gives a program an advantage in recruiting over a program with an older facility then it would certainly hold true that a new IPF would do the same thing.
Ohio is planning a "major league" type expansion to its football stadium that will dwarf any MAC stadium. That should help attract fans, adding revenue in the process and wow recruits.
I guess that explains why Akron dominates MAC football.
The problem with the theory is that there are no facts to support it. Foggy logic would lead one to believe it is plausible, but the facts don't bear it out when it comes to MAC athletics. The money differences are not large enough to be significant like they are for the AQ conferences and non-AQ.
(10-07-2012 12:11 PM)axeme Wrote: [ -> ]I guess that explains why Akron dominates MAC football.
The problem with the theory is that there are no facts to support it. Foggy logic would lead one to believe it is plausible, but the facts don't bear it out when it comes to MAC athletics. The money differences are not large enough to be significant like they are for the AQ conferences and non-AQ.
Its less about how much a MAC school is spending relative to other leagues and more about whether a MAC school is spending enough to retain and attract coaches. Outside of Ohio, they aren't doing so.
We've talked this past week about UC's rise in football with consecutive great coaching highers. UC decided to go out and make a commitment to better coaching salaries starting in the 90's and its paid off with success down the road.
Ohio is now a regional D1 FB/BB power in the Midwest. We play 19-20 home games a year in basketball and 6-7 in home games in football. Salaries for both football/basketball are in the 800k range with incentives.
Midwest: Marshall, Ohio, Northern Illinois, Toledo
South: Tulsa, Southern Miss, Western Kentucky, East Carolina
West: Hawaii, Fresno State, Nevada, Utah State
Those listed above are your non-AQ power schools. Kent State, Miami and Bowling Green are not on our level anymore in the big 2 sports.
Kudos to KSU having a nice season this year but our basketball coaching staff is paid more than your entire football coaching staff.....