(09-29-2012 05:43 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote: [ -> ]Game time....the refs did everything they possibly could to keep Richmond in the game in the second half, 100+ penalty yards in the second half and a ton of no calls on obvious Richmond penalities but we still managed to pull it out.
Says a lot about this team.
Dee still hasn't impressed me a bit though. 5 games in and we aren't getting a lick better.......not a good sign.
The refs were atrocious in the 2nd half. UR players held, horsecollared and played well beyond the whistle, yet we were the ones penalized.
We folded up the tent too early. After a great 4th and goal stop, the INT for TD by TH gave UR life, and our vanilla playcalling led to several score-free series. Game was never in danger, but not a good way to close it out.
Nice showing by ODU fans. We had a lot of people there in their pretty little high school stadium.
Maybe the vanilla playcalling leading to that Richmond rally will convince everyone-foot on the throats all game long.
That was about the worse officiating I've ever seen. From the shoe string tackle one of their lineman put on our rusher to the BS facemask call, it was horrible and lopsided. Pathetic.
Of course we did have our legit PF early in the game, with Wilkins leveling the QB. It wasn't even close and I saw it coming. I'm surprised that they didn't nail Arain with one a couple plays earlier.
The CAA league office does not want ODU to win the regular season and have to name the #2 team the Conference Champion. There is no way the the CAA refs are going to let ODU blow out another CAA team. they will do whatever they can to keep the other team in the game. I bet....ODU is penalized twice as much or more than our opponents. TOTALLY unacceptable.
(09-29-2012 08:26 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote: [ -> ]I bet....ODU is penalized twice as much or more than our opponents. TOTALLY unacceptable.
Last week 2:1 ratio (12 to 6)
This week 11:1 ratio (11 to 1)
I'm happy that we won, but it was hardly a dominating show of force. There's work to be done, and if anyone can hammer the point home it's Bobby Wilder. As said by others on this board, out team is marked with a dubious distinction: every single CAA team we line up against has a chance to play spoiler to our final (and highly-aspiring) FCS season. And while I don't have much in the way of proof, I think the CAA officials may be getting in on the spoiler sweepstakes as well.
The offense needs to put up points and limit turnovers. The defense needs to patch the holes and wrap up the tackles. The team memo should include something about discipline too. The officiating isn't something they can control, but they can control what the officials see. Bury the emotion and don't give the CAA zebras as many legitimate reasons to throw a flag. If they throw it anyway, at least there will be grounds to contest it then.
Someone should tell the UR announcers what intentional grounding is. They were adamant that Heinicke should have been called for it late in the game. However he was under no imminent pressure and therefore there's no intentional grounding.
The CAA refs certainly are not calling fair games, but let's be honest. Our defense has been ineffective the last two weeks. Once we stepped up the level of our competition, its been obvious that we haven't improved that much. I know ODU has put a focus on recruiting better defensive players, but it may be a few years until we see results on the football field.
Penalties at 11:1 set up UofR so much....if the game was close at the end....it could have been the game changer. I was at the game. We got more than a raw deal on some calls, and refs that missed serious holding on UofR's offense.
When I was walking in the stadium at the start of the 2nd quarter alot of Richmond fans were already leaving. They were like you guys are killing us....and they had enough.
The D needs work still. We didn't put enough pressure on UofR's quarterback in the 2nd half.
A win is good though!
(09-29-2012 09:37 PM)gilla Wrote: [ -> ]Penalties at 11:1 set up UofR so much....if the game was close at the end....it could have been the game changer. I was at the game. We got more than a raw deal on some calls, and refs that missed serious holding on UofR's offense.
When I was walking in the stadium at the start of the 2nd quarter alot of Richmond fans were already leaving. They were like you guys are killing us....and they had enough.
The D needs work still. We didn't put enough pressure on UofR's quarterback in the 2nd half.
A win is good though!
A blind back judge, and.....................
UR player #26. All I can say is that the Ref must have been his father.
His blatant PFs resulted in officials talking to him, not even flags.
He should have been ejected early on.
However, the thought of a CAA officiating conspiracy is silly.
With each game, I am convinced that our defensive play calling is awful. We have had terrible play from our safeties and MLB's from day one. I don't know if it is because of the talent level or not, but the play calling sure is not helping them. We do way too much junk. Blitzes from every position, stunts, etc. Enough already. How many times do we have to get burned on the naked bootleg before we tell out DE's to maintain containment. And how many times are we going to let receivers get behind our safeties. That should NEVER HAPPEN. There is no reason for it. It's not like we are defending passes (knockdowns). The only time the other team has an incompletion is on a dropped pass or a bad pass. We are not knocking down the pass. All we need to do is keep the play in front of the safeties.
One year. One shot. Well we are only going as far as our defense will take us. This BS is not working. Simplify it. Stop gambling so much with blitzes and stunts. We are not playing against Heinicke. The opposing QB's are not nearly as good. Sit back and wait for them to make a mistake. Don't help them find the opening by creating it.
Off soapbox.
(09-30-2012 02:00 PM)The Flagship Wrote: [ -> ]With each game, I am convinced that our defensive play calling is awful. We have had terrible play from our safeties and MLB's from day one. I don't know if it is because of the talent level or not, but the play calling sure is not helping them. We do way too much junk. Blitzes from every position, stunts, etc. Enough already. How many times do we have to get burned on the naked bootleg before we tell out DE's to maintain containment. And how many times are we going to let receivers get behind our safeties. That should NEVER HAPPEN. There is no reason for it. It's not like we are defending passes (knockdowns). The only time the other team has an incompletion is on a dropped pass or a bad pass. We are not knocking down the pass. All we need to do is keep the play in front of the safeties.
One year. One shot. Well we are only going as far as our defense will take us. This BS is not working. Simplify it. Stop gambling so much with blitzes and stunts. We are not playing against Heinicke. The opposing QB's are not nearly as good. Sit back and wait for them to make a mistake. Don't help them find the opening by creating it.
Off soapbox.
Agreed. What I dont understand is that it seems like we have the talent. I dont know football well enough to talk x's and o's, but it always seems like we are out of position. The DE's are running right past the QB who still has the ball because he made a fake to the RB. Kind of like the UNH guy said, the defense bites hard on playfakes. I know BW keeps saying that we are using a "base" defense but it sure doesnt look like it. I think we can make the playoffs like this, but we certainly wont get past any of the NDSU's or GSU's (the real GSU) of the world.
Also agreed. I don't think I've ever watched a defense run passed the guy without he ball so many times.
(09-30-2012 02:00 PM)The Flagship Wrote: [ -> ]With each game, I am convinced that our defensive play calling is awful. We have had terrible play from our safeties and MLB's from day one. I don't know if it is because of the talent level or not, but the play calling sure is not helping them. We do way too much junk. Blitzes from every position, stunts, etc. Enough already. How many times do we have to get burned on the naked bootleg before we tell out DE's to maintain containment. And how many times are we going to let receivers get behind our safeties. That should NEVER HAPPEN. There is no reason for it. It's not like we are defending passes (knockdowns). The only time the other team has an incompletion is on a dropped pass or a bad pass. We are not knocking down the pass. All we need to do is keep the play in front of the safeties.
One year. One shot. Well we are only going as far as our defense will take us. This BS is not working. Simplify it. Stop gambling so much with blitzes and stunts. We are not playing against Heinicke. The opposing QB's are not nearly as good. Sit back and wait for them to make a mistake. Don't help them find the opening by creating it.
Off soapbox.
I am wondering if we just don't have the personnel. Last year we had a great DL anchored by Ronnie Cameron, and solid Linebacker play from JJ Williams. Consequently no one could run it down our throat. However, we over pursued and were undisciplined, and thus and could not maintain gap coverage against the options and other mis-direction types of running.
This year I started worrying when Campbell employed the option near the end of that game and started moving on us.
Now, against better teams, and without Cameron and Williams, it seems we are not even stuffing straight ahead running as well as we did last year.
I thought I had seen where Dee was going to employ the 3-4 this year; in order to be better prepared against options, delays, and mis-directions.
However, in order to run a 3-4 you need the players. In theory the 3-4 stack or 3-4 solid would benefit us greatly given our past history. That we haven't employed it says to me we don't have the proper mix of
linebackers and linemen to make it work.
Additionally, UR passing hurt us badly yesterday when they isolated our linebackers in coverage.
This year I started worrying when Campbell employed the option near the end of that game and started moving on us.
I said this exact thing to my wife on the second play Campbell ran their option. That was the one drive where they marched down the field and scored. Lets all just pray to baby jesus that we dont face a team that runs the option as an offense. GSU, The Citadel, and I think Wofford run it and will likely be in the playoffs.
Towson's running game could kill us!
All I read is "refs this" and "refs that". Ever stop to realize we are the reason the refs have targeted us? There is no reasonable way to defend the way we've played this year. It's embarrassing.
Don't blame the refs. Blame the players [gasp].
(09-30-2012 11:10 PM)Monarch Maniac 10 Wrote: [ -> ]All I read is "refs this" and "refs that". Ever stop to realize we are the reason the refs have targeted us? There is no reasonable way to defend the way we've played this year. It's embarrassing.
Don't blame the refs. Blame the players [gasp].
Haha read my ref post!
(09-30-2012 11:10 PM)Monarch Maniac 10 Wrote: [ -> ]All I read is "refs this" and "refs that". Ever stop to realize we are the reason the refs have targeted us? There is no reasonable way to defend the way we've played this year. It's embarrassing.
Don't blame the refs. Blame the players [gasp].
The game should be called straight up. A team's rep shouldn't allow the refs to call the game a certain way and allow the refs to LOOK for penalties all over the place.
The penalty discrepancy was insane......did you even watch the game?
(10-01-2012 12:03 AM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote: [ -> ] (09-30-2012 11:10 PM)Monarch Maniac 10 Wrote: [ -> ]All I read is "refs this" and "refs that". Ever stop to realize we are the reason the refs have targeted us? There is no reasonable way to defend the way we've played this year. It's embarrassing.
Don't blame the refs. Blame the players [gasp].
The game should be called straight up. A team's rep shouldn't allow the refs to call the game a certain way and allow the refs to LOOK for penalties all over the place.
The penalty discrepancy was insane......did you even watch the game?
There was a player, #26 of UR that was getting away with murder. No question about that. Some of his crap happened right in front of me. The refs actually spoke to him twice; but no flag.
That said, I don't think there is any sort of directive from the CAA, but I DO think some of the refs may be personally biased against us, either consciously or subconsciously, and for whatever reasons, at least those in Richmond.
I wasn't aware of it so much in the UNH game, but I have heard others complain, including a formal request for clarification from Bobby Wilder.
I haven't watched the UNH Tivo yet, but there was one play right in front of me that I would have called PI on an ODU db, and there was holding on both teams in pass protection that wasn't called either way.
In Richmond there were some weird calls and no-calls; including a horse collar, at least two "launches" at Heinicke when he was already in his slide, and numerous obvious UR holding no calls. There was a smack to the face on ODU that was a good call.
The Richmond game was weird. #26 seemed to get a bye when he should have been ejected. They called holding on us, but in the exact same situations, left UR alone.