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Play ball!!! #fuckyes #epstadium

Time to rent a giant wrecking ball and tear that sumbitch City Hall down!

Let's Play Ball!

Haters, go jump in Ascarate Lake!

Now need to know if Mayor will veto.

BTW- Holguin, Acosta, and Robinson's future opponents just got themselves a political contribution from me.

Ok I've had time to digest everything and I can't seem to shake the feeling that Cook is going to veto......#IHopeImWrong

Oh....hopefully that attorney Ayala never runs for public office because I would do everything in my power to help her NOT get elected.

(09-18-2012 08:07 PM)chuwy9 Wrote: [ -> ]Ok I've had time to digest everything and I can't seem to shake the feeling that Cook is going to veto......#IHopeImWrong

Oh....hopefully that attorney Ayala never runs for public office because I would do everything in my power to help her NOT get elected.

Word is, that he won't Veto.
We need to flood his email, just to make sure.

As for Ayala, that lady's political future is as bright as Theresa Caballero's.

Holguin, Robinson and Acosta make me sick.... FTP

I don't think the Mayor will veto. The next hurdle that the stadium will have to jump will be the November election. A lot of people are angry about the way this thing was rammed down El Paso's throat and they will vote NO on the Hot tax to force city council to come up with an alternative.

I have already sent a letter to Mayor Cook informing him that I will not vote in favor of the Quality of Life bond now that we are going to have to pay for this stadium.

I think that it is irresponsible for the city to be spending so much money in this economy.

(09-19-2012 10:51 AM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think the Mayor will veto. The next hurdle that the stadium will have to jump will be the November election. A lot of people are angry about the way this thing was rammed down El Paso's throat and they will vote NO on the Hot tax to force city council to come up with an alternative.

I have already sent a letter to Mayor Cook informing him that I will not vote in favor of the Quality of Life bond now that we are going to have to pay for this stadium.

I think that it is irresponsible for the city to be spending so much money in this economy.

sorry fit, you lose.

I sent a letter to the mayor, also. My letter was through e-mail, some of you debbie downers should catch up, before progress leaves you behind.

(09-18-2012 09:16 PM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote: [ -> ]As for Ayala, that lady's political future is as bright as Theresa Caballero's.

Yeah no sh!t. I think Ms. Ayala thought that taking the stand against the stadium would be the launching pad she needed to get into local politics.

(09-19-2012 10:51 AM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think the Mayor will veto. The next hurdle that the stadium will have to jump will be the November election. A lot of people are angry about the way this thing was rammed down El Paso's throat and they will vote NO on the Hot tax to force city council to come up with an alternative.

See this is what I don't get. Voting NO for the HOT tax will lead exactly to what the opponents of the stadium are afraid of - our property taxes being used to pay for this stadium.

Look I get that people are upset at the lack of transparency during this whole ordeal, but taking out your anger with voting NO is not a good idea. Unless something changes, it seems nothing can be done to stop the building of this stadium. If that does end up being the case, everyone (whether you were for or against) needs to make sure that this HOT tax passes to insure out of town guest pay for it and not citizens.

(09-19-2012 10:51 AM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think the Mayor will veto. The next hurdle that the stadium will have to jump will be the November election. A lot of people are angry about the way this thing was rammed down El Paso's throat and they will vote NO on the Hot tax to force city council to come up with an alternative.

I have already sent a letter to Mayor Cook informing him that I will not vote in favor of the Quality of Life bond now that we are going to have to pay for this stadium.

I think that it is irresponsible for the city to be spending so much money in this economy.

So, out of spite (or whatever justification you can come up with) you want to pay for the entire cost of the stadium, rather than the 20% or so the taxpayers would foot if the HOT tax passes?

Seriously, WTF?

I don't expect any bellboy to be in favor of the Hotel Tax.

Yet the same a--oles will be at the park bitching about something else.

Not to defend the troll but I think he was talking about voting down the other two Quality of Life issues because the stadium passed.

Anyone hear Ms. Ayala this morning on the Q? Wow, she is ape-sh!t crazy and angry.

(09-19-2012 01:47 PM)chuwy9 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-19-2012 10:51 AM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think the Mayor will veto. The next hurdle that the stadium will have to jump will be the November election. A lot of people are angry about the way this thing was rammed down El Paso's throat and they will vote NO on the Hot tax to force city council to come up with an alternative.

See this is what I don't get. Voting NO for the HOT tax will lead exactly to what the opponents of the stadium are afraid of - our property taxes being used to pay for this stadium.

Look I get that people are upset at the lack of transparency during this whole ordeal, but taking out your anger with voting NO is not a good idea. Unless something changes, it seems nothing can be done to stop the building of this stadium. If that does end up being the case, everyone (whether you were for or against) needs to make sure that this HOT tax passes to insure out of town guest pay for it and not citizens.

A lot of people will equate the HOT tax as for or against the stadium. Because citizens were not allowed to make a decision on the stadium, they will vote no for the HOT tax thinking that they are voicing their opinion on the stadium. Others will simply vote no to force the hand of City Council to find alternative financing.

(09-19-2012 03:21 PM)zyxwvutsru Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-19-2012 10:51 AM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think the Mayor will veto. The next hurdle that the stadium will have to jump will be the November election. A lot of people are angry about the way this thing was rammed down El Paso's throat and they will vote NO on the Hot tax to force city council to come up with an alternative.

I have already sent a letter to Mayor Cook informing him that I will not vote in favor of the Quality of Life bond now that we are going to have to pay for this stadium.

I think that it is irresponsible for the city to be spending so much money in this economy.

So, out of spite (or whatever justification you can come up with) you want to pay for the entire cost of the stadium, rather than the 20% or so the taxpayers would foot if the HOT tax passes?

Seriously, WTF?

I'm not going to vote against the HOT tax. I will however vote against the quality of life bonds.

We cannot keep spending in this city. We do not have a limitless credit card.

If we are going to risk an investment on a triple A ball club and renovate dilapidated buildings to do so , then I cannot, vote in favor of spending more money.

Fittroll,

As a City employee, I can't tell you how much I loathe Darth Joyce Wilson. As a citizen, I have to admit, she is pretty darn good at her job.

I can appreciate the stance you are trying, yet failing, to take. Just like every discussion we have had on this forum, you are arguing from your gut and do not appear to have a firm handle on the subject.

Just my two cents of course.

Have you researched the City of El Paso's bond rating? Do you know how many millions of dollars we have in cash reserve? Do you how financially sound our budget is compared to other Texas cities and cities of similar population. Did you see the Deputy City Manger shred former Mayor Salazar on KVIA Xtra? We are actually in good shape.

Mayor Cook finally admitted the current City Hall needs 30 million to be brought up to code. The Deputy City Manager states it possible to purchase buildings and relocate City Hall for 30 million dollars. That's a push. Ticket surges and parking are expected to pay the 30% of the stadium not covered by the HOT tax. So where is the wild spending?

I trust their "math" if they think El Paso can afford these two bonds. It isn't simply because of construction at Fort Bliss that El Paso is financially stable right now.

Be against it if you wish. At least do homework and don't throw the "wild spending" card out there.

(09-20-2012 03:08 PM)mistabinks Wrote: [ -> ]Fittroll,

As a City employee, I can't tell you how much I loathe Darth Joyce Wilson. As a citizen, I have to admit, she is pretty darn good at her job.

I can appreciate the stance you are trying, yet failing, to take. Just like every discussion we have had on this forum, you are arguing from your gut and do not appear to have a firm handle on the subject.

Just my two cents of course.

Have you researched the City of El Paso's bond rating? Do you know how many millions of dollars we have in cash reserve? Do you how financially sound our budget is compared to other Texas cities and cities of similar population. Did you see the Deputy City Manger shred former Mayor Salazar on KVIA Xtra? We are actually in good shape.

Mayor Cook finally admitted the current City Hall needs 30 million to be brought up to code. The Deputy City Manager states it possible to purchase buildings and relocate City Hall for 30 million dollars. That's a push. Ticket surges and parking are expected to pay the 30% of the stadium not covered by the HOT tax. So where is the wild spending?

I trust their "math" if they think El Paso can afford these two bonds. It isn't simply because of construction at Fort Bliss that El Paso is financially stable right now.

Be against it if you wish. At least do homework and don't throw the "wild spending" card out there.

City Council is always talking about how our taxes are too high to begin with. If our reserves are so great and our credit so high, why then are our property taxes so high?

You know full well that this stadium is not going to pay for itself. Not all parking around downtown is owned by the city and the HOT tax will only pay for 70% of the stadium. The rest of the money has to come from somewhere.

Last year, City Council estimated that the cost of renovating City Hall would be around 12 million dollars. It was only after this uproar started that the number suddenly almost tripled to 30 million dollars.

Lastly, the majority of El Paso is against removing City Hall for a stadium. We know this because that is the reason why they are fighting so hard to keep it from going to a vote.

The only people who want this stadium in that location want it for selfish reason. Because they want to see baseball, because they believe that their is nothing to do in El Paso, because they are so ashamed of El Paso and it's people that they feel the need to try and be like everybody else.

If we truly want to move El Paso forward, we need to stop criticizing what we have and remain financially sound rather spend our money trying to be like other cities.

(09-20-2012 03:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]Lastly, the majority of El Paso is against removing City Hall for a stadium. We know this because that is the reason why they are fighting so hard to keep it from going to a vote.

The only people who want this stadium in that location want it for selfish reason. Because they want to see baseball, because they believe that their is nothing to do in El Paso, because they are so ashamed of El Paso and it's people that they feel the need to try and be like everybody else.

If we truly want to move El Paso forward, we need to stop criticizing what we have and remain financially sound rather spend our money trying to be like other cities.

1. 51% of El Paso can't agree on anything....51% of eliglible voters who show up to vote on a certain day and on a certain issue, might.

2. You are right, we do need to stop criticizing what we have, and we have to remain financially sound. This can be done with the new ball park. The two concepts do not have to be mutually exclusive.

(09-20-2012 03:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]City Council is always talking about how our taxes are too high to begin with. If our reserves are so great and our credit so high, why then are our property taxes so high?

Apples and oranges. I'll school you (again).

Our property are high because we have a balanced budget. Not sure what else to add to that.

We have a healthy reserve (50 million dollars) in case of emergency or catastrophe.

We have a good bond rating because our ability to pay back bonds and certificates on time.

(09-20-2012 03:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]You know full well that this stadium is not going to pay for itself. Not all parking around downtown is owned by the city and the HOT tax will only pay for 70% of the stadium. The rest of the money has to come from somewhere.

Yes, from ticket surchages (fifty cents a ticket), parking, and i'm sure from the general fund. Nobody said the stadium would be free and of absolutely no cost to the taxpayer.

(09-20-2012 03:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]Last year, City Council estimated that the cost of renovating City Hall would be around 12 million dollars. It was only after this uproar started that the number suddenly almost tripled to 30 million dollars.

That is the estimate you chose to cling on to. Since 2009, I have seen and read articles that said otherwise. City Hall needs 12 million in immediate repairs. It needs a total of 30 million to be brought up to code. That's just the way it is.

(09-20-2012 03:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]Lastly, the majority of El Paso is against removing City Hall for a stadium. We know this because that is the reason why they are fighting so hard to keep it from going to a vote.

Do you speak for the majority? Why have the all the opposition groups barely numbered in the hundreds?

They are keeping it from going to a vote because the PCL isn't going to wait until November for El Paso to get it's **** together.

(09-20-2012 03:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]The only people who want this stadium in that location want it for selfish reason. Because they want to see baseball, because they believe that their is nothing to do in El Paso, because they are so ashamed of El Paso and it's people that they feel the need to try and be like everybody else.

Source?

(09-20-2012 03:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]If we truly want to move El Paso forward, we need to stop criticizing what we have and remain financially sound rather spend our money trying to be like other cities.

That would make us stagnant. I don't see how following that advice would move us forward.

(09-20-2012 11:22 AM)chuwy9 Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone hear Ms. Ayala this morning on the Q? Wow, she is ape-**** crazy and angry.

It was funny as sheeyat when Buzz said, "Ms. Ayala, Theresa things you are really angry"