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#60 NIU
#76 UT
#84 OU
#86 WMU
#103 MU
#107 CMU
#108 BGSU
#113 BSU
#117 KSU
#127 UMass
#139 Buffalo
#149 EMU
#179 Akron
(08-26-2012 04:35 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]#60 NIU
#76 UT
#84 OU
#86 WMU
#103 MU
#107 CMU
#108 BGSU
#113 BSU
#117 KSU
#127 UMass
#139 Buffalo
#149 EMU
#179 Akron

OMG, LK's gonna have a meltdown!
Sagarin always puts up a disclaimer that the early rankings are somewhat arbitrary. Until about the 5th week, when he removes the preseason factor and bases his rankings purely on results, it's not really a good indicator of anything at all.

The Congrove rankings don't even bother with pre-season ranks in their main rating system. After week 1, you have half the teams tied for first place and half tied for last. It sorts itself out as the season goes on and more data becomes available.
(08-26-2012 04:54 PM)huskiebob Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-26-2012 04:35 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]#60 NIU
#76 UT
#84 OU
#86 WMU
#103 MU
#107 CMU
#108 BGSU
#113 BSU
#117 KSU
#127 UMass
#139 Buffalo
#149 EMU
#179 Akron

OMG, LK's gonna have a meltdown!

OMG, EMU Steve, NuPudge, and dozens of EMU fans will have a meltdown.

The Orlando paper had us ranked #80 in FBS.

A few of us very optimistic EMU fans are looking for a bowl game but not at #149. Lol.
(08-26-2012 05:16 PM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-26-2012 04:54 PM)huskiebob Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-26-2012 04:35 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]#60 NIU
#76 UT
#84 OU
#86 WMU
#103 MU
#107 CMU
#108 BGSU
#113 BSU
#117 KSU
#127 UMass
#139 Buffalo
#149 EMU
#179 Akron

OMG, LK's gonna have a meltdown!

OMG, EMU Steve, NuPudge, and dozens of EMU fans will have a meltdown.

The Orlando paper had us ranked #80 in FBS.

A few of us very optimistic EMU fans are looking for a bowl game but not at #149. Lol.

That 1st game matchup between Eastern and Ball State is HUGE for both teams. Fairly even matchup, whomever wins will have a decent season and whomever loses may go into the tank. I'm giving Eastern the edge.

I really think that this year will be a solid year for the MAC with some solid out of conference wins for many.

Western has 3 BCS teams that they will have a legit shot of beating. Toledo has 2 BCS teams they are plenty of capable of beating, NIU has 2, Ohio has a shot at Penn State, and Ball State can beat Indiana (again).

Vegas should have all those games within a TD and the MAC needs to come away with their share.
(08-26-2012 05:32 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote: [ -> ]That 1st game matchup between Eastern and Ball State is HUGE for both teams. Fairly even matchup, whomever wins will have a decent season and whomever loses may go into the tank. I'm giving Eastern the edge.

I really think that this year will be a solid year for the MAC with some solid out of conference wins for many.

Western has 3 BCS teams that they will have a legit shot of beating. Toledo has 2 BCS teams they are plenty of capable of beating, NIU has 2, Ohio has a shot at Penn State, and Ball State can beat Indiana (again).

Vegas should have all those games within a TD and the MAC needs to come away with their share.
NIU, WMU and Toledo are all currently 10 pt underdogs.
Sagarin has Toledo at 8 point underdogs (from ratings) but add the 3.5 away game points. And UA should be an 11.5 point favorite. Toledo is only 10 in Vegas, so the nation is betting on Toledo. The line got to 11.5 and has bounced back.
I would say Ohio and UT should be rated ahead of my beloved Huskies to start the season.
(08-26-2012 05:16 PM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-26-2012 04:54 PM)huskiebob Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-26-2012 04:35 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]#60 NIU
#76 UT
#84 OU
#86 WMU
#103 MU
#107 CMU
#108 BGSU
#113 BSU
#117 KSU
#127 UMass
#139 Buffalo
#149 EMU
#179 Akron

OMG, LK's gonna have a meltdown!

OMG, EMU Steve, NuPudge, and dozens of EMU fans will have a meltdown.

The Orlando paper had us ranked #80 in FBS.

A few of us very optimistic EMU fans are looking for a bowl game but not at #149. Lol.
EmuSteve,

I am sooo pissed about this, it's okay if someone who is following/reporting on EMU to makes these comments but for it to come from someone who don't follow or get actuate info on us is not being a good reporter. You are a fan like me.

Either I am crazy along with a few others here on our board, or this guy is a genius.

This is why I love the game is played every week and not based on what is supposed to happen..

In all fairness I must say that other people on the main board is believing more an more with what has happened and will happen at EMU... This will be a great year for the Huron-Eagle this year... Yes!!! We will be good... Bowl game or bust....
They are computer rankings, Pudge. Nothing to freak out about. Read uakronkid's post...these are arbitrary until enough games have been played to validate the computer numbers.

If they judged teams solely on preseason rankings, we'd be screwed. That's why they play the games.
(08-27-2012 08:37 AM)NUPudge Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-26-2012 05:16 PM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-26-2012 04:54 PM)huskiebob Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-26-2012 04:35 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]#60 NIU
#76 UT
#84 OU
#86 WMU
#103 MU
#107 CMU
#108 BGSU
#113 BSU
#117 KSU
#127 UMass
#139 Buffalo
#149 EMU
#179 Akron

OMG, LK's gonna have a meltdown!

OMG, EMU Steve, NuPudge, and dozens of EMU fans will have a meltdown.

The Orlando paper had us ranked #80 in FBS.

A few of us very optimistic EMU fans are looking for a bowl game but not at #149. Lol.
EmuSteve,

I am sooo pissed about this, it's okay if someone who is following/reporting on EMU to makes these comments but for it to come from someone who don't follow or get actuate info on us is not being a good reporter. You are a fan like me.

Either I am crazy along with a few others here on our board, or this guy is a genius.

This is why I love the game is played every week and not based on what is supposed to happen..

In all fairness I must say that other people on the main board is believing more an more with what has happened and will happen at EMU... This will be a great year for the Huron-Eagle this year... Yes!!! We will be good... Bowl game or bust....

Take it with a grain of salt. As mentioned before...EMU will probably have a better team this year. However, due to their schedule, the record might not reflect improvement.

It's also very well possible that this guy doesn't value EMU very much. It isn't far fetched to look at their season last year as an outlier. They "snuck" up on people and made some teams pay (WMU for one). Maybe the writer doesn't think this will happen again and he values high octane offense over defense in the MAC.

It is irritating though...I hear ya.
(08-27-2012 08:50 AM)EagleSam Wrote: [ -> ]They are computer rankings, Pudge. Nothing to freak out about. Read uakronkid's post...these are arbitrary until enough games have been played to validate the computer numbers.

If they judged teams solely on preseason rankings, we'd be screwed. That's why they play the games.

Good points, he must have bad data.. Bad data in & bad data out..
(08-27-2012 08:54 AM)EA3 Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-27-2012 08:37 AM)NUPudge Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-26-2012 05:16 PM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-26-2012 04:54 PM)huskiebob Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-26-2012 04:35 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]#60 NIU
#76 UT
#84 OU
#86 WMU
#103 MU
#107 CMU
#108 BGSU
#113 BSU
#117 KSU
#127 UMass
#139 Buffalo
#149 EMU
#179 Akron

OMG, LK's gonna have a meltdown!

OMG, EMU Steve, NuPudge, and dozens of EMU fans will have a meltdown.

The Orlando paper had us ranked #80 in FBS.

A few of us very optimistic EMU fans are looking for a bowl game but not at #149. Lol.
EmuSteve,

I am sooo pissed about this, it's okay if someone who is following/reporting on EMU to makes these comments but for it to come from someone who don't follow or get actuate info on us is not being a good reporter. You are a fan like me.

Either I am crazy along with a few others here on our board, or this guy is a genius.

This is why I love the game is played every week and not based on what is supposed to happen..

In all fairness I must say that other people on the main board is believing more an more with what has happened and will happen at EMU... This will be a great year for the Huron-Eagle this year... Yes!!! We will be good... Bowl game or bust....

Take it with a grain of salt. As mentioned before...EMU will probably have a better team this year. However, due to their schedule, the record might not reflect improvement.

It's also very well possible that this guy doesn't value EMU very much. It isn't far fetched to look at their season last year as an outlier. They "snuck" up on people and made some teams pay (WMU for one). Maybe the writer doesn't think this will happen again and he values high octane offense over defense in the MAC.

It is irritating though...I hear ya.

I like your comments.. Have you ever thought about coming over to the good-side and leaving the dark side ( on kidding).

I am looking forward to attending this season game against you and checking out your fb board the week of our fb game, it will be some good clean kidding going on..

Good luck in your 1'st game..
(08-27-2012 09:09 AM)NUPudge Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-27-2012 08:50 AM)EagleSam Wrote: [ -> ]They are computer rankings, Pudge. Nothing to freak out about. Read uakronkid's post...these are arbitrary until enough games have been played to validate the computer numbers.

If they judged teams solely on preseason rankings, we'd be screwed. That's why they play the games.

Good points, he must have bad data.. Bad data in & bad data out..

LOL, yeah, it's the data. You guys have been awful for years. You have 1 6-6 season and all of a sudden you think you deserve respect?
(08-27-2012 12:34 PM)niusfactuary Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-27-2012 09:09 AM)NUPudge Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-27-2012 08:50 AM)EagleSam Wrote: [ -> ]They are computer rankings, Pudge. Nothing to freak out about. Read uakronkid's post...these are arbitrary until enough games have been played to validate the computer numbers.

If they judged teams solely on preseason rankings, we'd be screwed. That's why they play the games.

Good points, he must have bad data.. Bad data in & bad data out..

LOL, yeah, it's the data. You guys have been awful for years. You have 1 6-6 season and all of a sudden you think you deserve respect?

That is why I am a Fan and not a expert like yourself.. If I don't believe in my team then something is wrong. I didn't knock or rip anyone else team, I just made a comment about EMU ranking and I still stand by this.. The facts/proof will come later..

I have to agree with you on your statement but remember that we were 1 wide open dropped ball from beating you guys.. Lbs.. I believe the game will be turn for a win for us this season.. Are you okay with the NIU ranking? If so great but I think you guys are better.. Just a comment..
I wonder what the season would look like if every losing team got one dropped pass back, or one botched play back. I wonder what the records would look like. Then if it changed the outcome of a game, then the new losing team would want one play with a different outcome, too. Probably wouldn't make much difference if both teams could get a TD they wouldn't have had, or an interception they dropped...

In other words, it isn't one play that makes or breaks a game, unless you are looking at the game through a one-sided lens.
About the only thing that the starting Sagarin rating is good for is starting discussions and internet pissing matches. Pretty useless but it does make some feel good and has others spitting nails.
#60 NIU
#63 Temple
#76 UT
#84 OU
#86 WMU
#103 MU
#107 CMU
#108 BGSU
#113 BSU
#117 KSU
#127 UMass
#139 Buffalo
#149 EMU
#179 Akron

Did Temple get a boost just for its BE affiliation? I'd be surprised if TU was #2 in the MAC this year considering our performance in the conference last year and how many starters we lost
(08-27-2012 08:50 AM)EagleSam Wrote: [ -> ]They are computer rankings, Pudge. Nothing to freak out about. Read uakronkid's post...these are arbitrary until enough games have been played to validate the computer numbers.

If they judged teams solely on preseason rankings, we'd be screwed. That's why they play the games.

So what exactly are they based on for the preseason? Polls? Returning Starters? I'm not familiar with what goes into these algorithms.
(08-28-2012 12:38 PM)Sam Minuteman Wrote: [ -> ]So what exactly are they based on for the preseason? Polls? Returning Starters? I'm not familiar with what goes into these algorithms.

Pre-season rankings are based on nothing but the whims of the person running the system. There is no algorithm until actual games are played.

The pre-season Sagarins are just a means to avoid having 100+ teams tied for first place after week 1. And to give people something to talk about.

After half the season, the pre-season rankings are removed from the algorithm entirely, and the ratings are based purely on the current season's results.
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