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A number of these show up on MAC schedules early on.
UT MARTIN is at NIU (They are #38 on the list, OMG!). Nice to see James Madison ranked so high since the MAC seems to be flirting with them.
Towson #8 opens at Kent State. KSU better not come out sluggish, their team is for real. Just like us with the BCS teams, depth becomes a key difference between the top FCS teams and the lower FBS squads but there is a lot of talent on these squads and they should not be taken lightly.
If by the MAC flirting with them, you mean 10 people who post on this board, I would agree. I haven't seen anything from the MAC suggesting they are considering JMU, just broad statements about the conference continuing to "consider all the options" which is, of course, the usual meaningless blather.
JMU would be a great addition. Their stadium sits right off the interstate and I'm impressed with it everytime I drive by it. They seem to run a good clean program and would fit nicely in our league.
(08-25-2012 03:42 PM)axeme Wrote: [ -> ]If by the MAC flirting with them, you mean 10 people who post on this board, I would agree. I haven't seen anything from the MAC suggesting they are considering JMU, just broad statements about the conference continuing to "consider all the options" which is, of course, the usual meaningless blather.

Kent State's President did say the MAC has been talking with a Virginia school. Quote right from his mouth.
(08-25-2012 04:06 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-25-2012 03:42 PM)axeme Wrote: [ -> ]If by the MAC flirting with them, you mean 10 people who post on this board, I would agree. I haven't seen anything from the MAC suggesting they are considering JMU, just broad statements about the conference continuing to "consider all the options" which is, of course, the usual meaningless blather.

Kent State's President did say the MAC has been talking with a Virginia school. Quote right from his mouth.

What he said was
Quote:Over the years we keep looking at Navy and Army. We talked about some teams in Virginia, but at the end of the day, we're pretty stable as a conference. "

The context was what the MAC might do if a couple of MAC schools bolted, not who are we looking to add before that happens. The last part of that quote would not make me optimistic if I were a JMU fan looking at the MAC.
I would place all of this discussion in the same context as someone signing up for a walk/run to cure gayness.
(08-25-2012 04:21 PM)axeme Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-25-2012 04:06 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-25-2012 03:42 PM)axeme Wrote: [ -> ]If by the MAC flirting with them, you mean 10 people who post on this board, I would agree. I haven't seen anything from the MAC suggesting they are considering JMU, just broad statements about the conference continuing to "consider all the options" which is, of course, the usual meaningless blather.

Kent State's President did say the MAC has been talking with a Virginia school. Quote right from his mouth.

What he said was
Quote:Over the years we keep looking at Navy and Army. We talked about some teams in Virginia, but at the end of the day, we're pretty stable as a conference. "

The context was what the MAC might do if a couple of MAC schools bolted, not who are we looking to add before that happens. The last part of that quote would not make me optimistic if I were a JMU fan looking at the MAC.

Well what you say is somewhat true, the MAC may have zero interest in anybody, but I'm not sure how that quote makes you certain that they aren't either. It's not like they would ever come out and specifically say "we definitely are looking for another team and hoping JMU will join".

Maybe you knew beforehand, but I didn't know when they decided to add UMass, Temple, Central Florida, Marshall, Buffalo, or NIU until it was a done deal. Rumors began first, then it happened.

I don't think you are 100% ruling out that the MAC isn't interested in JMU or a #14 in general, just saying not to expect it.
(08-25-2012 06:19 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-25-2012 04:21 PM)axeme Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-25-2012 04:06 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-25-2012 03:42 PM)axeme Wrote: [ -> ]If by the MAC flirting with them, you mean 10 people who post on this board, I would agree. I haven't seen anything from the MAC suggesting they are considering JMU, just broad statements about the conference continuing to "consider all the options" which is, of course, the usual meaningless blather.

Kent State's President did say the MAC has been talking with a Virginia school. Quote right from his mouth.

What he said was
Quote:Over the years we keep looking at Navy and Army. We talked about some teams in Virginia, but at the end of the day, we're pretty stable as a conference. "

The context was what the MAC might do if a couple of MAC schools bolted, not who are we looking to add before that happens. The last part of that quote would not make me optimistic if I were a JMU fan looking at the MAC.

Well what you say is somewhat true, the MAC may have zero interest in anybody, but I'm not sure how that quote makes you certain that they aren't either. It's not like they would ever come out and specifically say "we definitely are looking for another team and hoping JMU will join".

Maybe you knew beforehand, but I didn't know when they decided to add UMass, Temple, Central Florida, Marshall, Buffalo, or NIU until it was a done deal. Rumors began first, then it happened.

I don't think you are 100% ruling out that the MAC isn't interested in JMU or a #14 in general, just saying not to expect it.

Well, that's kind of my point--there is no apparent movement to add anyone. I think we can all agree on one thing: additions to the MAC will or will not happen. Outside of this board, where realignment gets people all giddy, there doesn't seem to be any particular interest in changing the current lineup in the next few years. Perhaps they will look at possible changes after 2-3 years of having UMass aboard, but there is no real need to add anyone who might be available. The changes would do more for the teams being added than they would for the MAC.
I think the biggest hangup to getting that 14th school on board is that schools are still waiting to see how the new BCS system will payout.

If BYU feels compelled to join the Big East for the projected 16 million per school TV payout that might almost force Army to consider a conference since it will almost be impossible to negotiate any type of a bowl agreement on their own.

The biggest weakness of the MAC TV deal is that it doesn't include any regional coverage in the New York of Philadelphia markets. Temple was a huge loss for the MAC from the TV perspective.

What would be ideal is if Toledo hit the road for CUSA, to reduce the MAC down to a tidy 11 schools for men's basketball and then bring in 2 more football only schools on the East Coast such as Army and Villanova.

East: UMass, Army, Nova, Buffalo, Kent St, Akron, Ohio
West: NIU, WMU, Ball St, CMU, Miami, EMU, Bowling Green

Nova wants to move to FBS but the Big East doesn't like the stadium options they are presenting. In the MAC, that 20,000 seat soccer stadium they were talking about playing in would be perfectly fine.

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First, thanks for the flattery. Steele has us as preseason #2 team and he supposedly bases his projections off of what he think will be the final two teams playing in the championship game at the end of the season. I hope he's right.
I don't want to turn this into another conference realignment thread, but our new president alger recently said he was "open to the idea of IA" football in an interview with the Harrisonburg TV3 ABC station. He wants to "make academics the top priority, but will consider options". something in that neighborhood. We're finally happy for 1) to know they are not forgetting about it, and 2) are willing to look at future offers with seriousness. I hope JMU and Steinbrecher resume talks, which likely haven't happened since the former president was in office before july 1st.

Pertaining to Towson/Kent State, the JMU fans all think that's the "most likely" CAA upset of an FBS opponent, probably followed by W&M having a chance against an awful Maryland team. Kent should be prepared for the defending conference champion Towson Tigers, or they could possibly lose. I will be watching that game if it is picked up here in Richmond.
I continue to have high respect for you all for taking FCS programs seriously. Take care!

ps. NIU fans shouldn't be afraid of the #38 FCS team on steele's rankings. or else you have worse problems haha. I'd say only top 10 teams should have a chance against any MAC team, anything lower ranked shouldn't be an issue for anyone.
(08-25-2012 08:56 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote: [ -> ]I think the biggest hangup to getting that 14th school on board is that schools are still waiting to see how the new BCS system will payout.

If BYU feels compelled to join the Big East for the projected 16 million per school TV payout that might almost force Army to consider a conference since it will almost be impossible to negotiate any type of a bowl agreement on their own.

The biggest weakness of the MAC TV deal is that it doesn't include any regional coverage in the New York of Philadelphia markets. Temple was a huge loss for the MAC from the TV perspective.

What would be ideal is if Toledo hit the road for CUSA, to reduce the MAC down to a tidy 11 schools for men's basketball and then bring in 2 more football only schools on the East Coast such as Army and Villanova.

East: UMass, Army, Nova, Buffalo, Kent St, Akron, Ohio
West: NIU, WMU, Ball St, CMU, Miami, EMU, Bowling Green

Nova wants to move to FBS but the Big East doesn't like the stadium options they are presenting. In the MAC, that 20,000 seat soccer stadium they were talking about playing in would be perfectly fine.

[Image: 1000px-PPL_Park_Interior_from_the_Southw....10.02.jpg]

So, ideally we lose Toledo and gain Nova? What are you smoking?
(08-26-2012 08:30 AM)NIU007 Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-25-2012 08:56 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote: [ -> ]I think the biggest hangup to getting that 14th school on board is that schools are still waiting to see how the new BCS system will payout.

If BYU feels compelled to join the Big East for the projected 16 million per school TV payout that might almost force Army to consider a conference since it will almost be impossible to negotiate any type of a bowl agreement on their own.

The biggest weakness of the MAC TV deal is that it doesn't include any regional coverage in the New York of Philadelphia markets. Temple was a huge loss for the MAC from the TV perspective.

What would be ideal is if Toledo hit the road for CUSA, to reduce the MAC down to a tidy 11 schools for men's basketball and then bring in 2 more football only schools on the East Coast such as Army and Villanova.

East: UMass, Army, Nova, Buffalo, Kent St, Akron, Ohio
West: NIU, WMU, Ball St, CMU, Miami, EMU, Bowling Green

Nova wants to move to FBS but the Big East doesn't like the stadium options they are presenting. In the MAC, that 20,000 seat soccer stadium they were talking about playing in would be perfectly fine.

[Image: 1000px-PPL_Park_Interior_from_the_Southw....10.02.jpg]

So, ideally we lose Toledo and gain Nova? What are you smoking?

Easy 007. LK may have something here, however, I am not so sure that UT is the best fit for CUSA.

Ohio would be a better canidate for CUSA:
They could have a better rivalry with Marshall
They are closer to CUSA eastern schools than UT
Most CUSA members seem like they are high on weed when they talk about how great their conference is compaired to every other mid-major - and most people at Ohio are high on weed!
(08-26-2012 09:56 AM)westernwilly Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-26-2012 08:30 AM)NIU007 Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-25-2012 08:56 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote: [ -> ]I think the biggest hangup to getting that 14th school on board is that schools are still waiting to see how the new BCS system will payout.

If BYU feels compelled to join the Big East for the projected 16 million per school TV payout that might almost force Army to consider a conference since it will almost be impossible to negotiate any type of a bowl agreement on their own.

The biggest weakness of the MAC TV deal is that it doesn't include any regional coverage in the New York of Philadelphia markets. Temple was a huge loss for the MAC from the TV perspective.

What would be ideal is if Toledo hit the road for CUSA, to reduce the MAC down to a tidy 11 schools for men's basketball and then bring in 2 more football only schools on the East Coast such as Army and Villanova.

East: UMass, Army, Nova, Buffalo, Kent St, Akron, Ohio
West: NIU, WMU, Ball St, CMU, Miami, EMU, Bowling Green

Nova wants to move to FBS but the Big East doesn't like the stadium options they are presenting. In the MAC, that 20,000 seat soccer stadium they were talking about playing in would be perfectly fine.

[Image: 1000px-PPL_Park_Interior_from_the_Southw....10.02.jpg]

So, ideally we lose Toledo and gain Nova? What are you smoking?

Easy 007. LK may have something here, however, I am not so sure that UT is the best fit for CUSA.

Ohio would be a better canidate for CUSA:
They could have a better rivalry with Marshall
They are closer to CUSA eastern schools than UT
Most CUSA members seem like they are high on weed when they talk about how great their conference is compaired to every other mid-major - and most people at Ohio are high on weed!

So you've just explained why Ohio would be better for CUSA than Toledo. I was talking about why he thinks the MAC could be better off losing Toledo and gaining Nova and Army. 03-confused
(08-26-2012 11:01 AM)NIU007 Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-26-2012 09:56 AM)westernwilly Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-26-2012 08:30 AM)NIU007 Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-25-2012 08:56 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote: [ -> ]I think the biggest hangup to getting that 14th school on board is that schools are still waiting to see how the new BCS system will payout.

If BYU feels compelled to join the Big East for the projected 16 million per school TV payout that might almost force Army to consider a conference since it will almost be impossible to negotiate any type of a bowl agreement on their own.

The biggest weakness of the MAC TV deal is that it doesn't include any regional coverage in the New York of Philadelphia markets. Temple was a huge loss for the MAC from the TV perspective.

What would be ideal is if Toledo hit the road for CUSA, to reduce the MAC down to a tidy 11 schools for men's basketball and then bring in 2 more football only schools on the East Coast such as Army and Villanova.

East: UMass, Army, Nova, Buffalo, Kent St, Akron, Ohio
West: NIU, WMU, Ball St, CMU, Miami, EMU, Bowling Green

Nova wants to move to FBS but the Big East doesn't like the stadium options they are presenting. In the MAC, that 20,000 seat soccer stadium they were talking about playing in would be perfectly fine.

[Image: 1000px-PPL_Park_Interior_from_the_Southw....10.02.jpg]

So, ideally we lose Toledo and gain Nova? What are you smoking?

Easy 007. LK may have something here, however, I am not so sure that UT is the best fit for CUSA.

Ohio would be a better canidate for CUSA:
They could have a better rivalry with Marshall
They are closer to CUSA eastern schools than UT
Most CUSA members seem like they are high on weed when they talk about how great their conference is compaired to every other mid-major - and most people at Ohio are high on weed!

So you've just explained why Ohio would be better for CUSA than Toledo. I was talking about why he thinks the MAC could be better off losing Toledo and gaining Nova and Army. 03-confused

No kidding, I'll take Toledo.
(08-25-2012 10:40 PM)Dukes09 Wrote: [ -> ]Pertaining to Towson/Kent State, the JMU fans all think that's the "most likely" CAA upset of an FBS opponent, probably followed by W&M having a chance against an awful Maryland team. Kent should be prepared for the defending conference champion Towson Tigers, or they could possibly lose. I will be watching that game if it is picked up here in Richmond.
I continue to have high respect for you all for taking FCS programs seriously. Take care!

First, the idea of taking teams lightly goes on more in fans' heads than in reality with the teams. Especially when the game is the first game of the season, most teams will come out with all guns blazing after the long preseason buildup and the expectations of getting the season off to a good start.

Of course, KSU will be prepared for Towson this week and Kentucky the next week and so forth. It's fans who like to make excuses, like "well, it's hard for my team to get up for playing an FCS team." If coaches don't prepare fully each week for their next opponent and get their teams ready, then they really are incompetent coaches.

I agree that this game will tell you a lot about the difference or lack of difference between a top FCS team and a traditionally bottom third FBS team trying to rise.

And as a fan, I also think KSU will put a hurt on Towson. As one of my sisters-in-law is a prof at Towson, it is necessary!
05-mafia
Oh, and the game can be seen Thursday on ESPN3 and Comcast SportsNet Plus Baltimore.
(08-26-2012 11:01 AM)NIU007 Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-26-2012 09:56 AM)westernwilly Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-26-2012 08:30 AM)NIU007 Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-25-2012 08:56 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote: [ -> ]I think the biggest hangup to getting that 14th school on board is that schools are still waiting to see how the new BCS system will payout.

If BYU feels compelled to join the Big East for the projected 16 million per school TV payout that might almost force Army to consider a conference since it will almost be impossible to negotiate any type of a bowl agreement on their own.

The biggest weakness of the MAC TV deal is that it doesn't include any regional coverage in the New York of Philadelphia markets. Temple was a huge loss for the MAC from the TV perspective.

What would be ideal is if Toledo hit the road for CUSA, to reduce the MAC down to a tidy 11 schools for men's basketball and then bring in 2 more football only schools on the East Coast such as Army and Villanova.

East: UMass, Army, Nova, Buffalo, Kent St, Akron, Ohio
West: NIU, WMU, Ball St, CMU, Miami, EMU, Bowling Green

Nova wants to move to FBS but the Big East doesn't like the stadium options they are presenting. In the MAC, that 20,000 seat soccer stadium they were talking about playing in would be perfectly fine.

[Image: 1000px-PPL_Park_Interior_from_the_Southw....10.02.jpg]

So, ideally we lose Toledo and gain Nova? What are you smoking?

Easy 007. LK may have something here, however, I am not so sure that UT is the best fit for CUSA.

Ohio would be a better canidate for CUSA:
They could have a better rivalry with Marshall
They are closer to CUSA eastern schools than UT
Most CUSA members seem like they are high on weed when they talk about how great their conference is compaired to every other mid-major - and most people at Ohio are high on weed!

So you've just explained why Ohio would be better for CUSA than Toledo. I was talking about why he thinks the MAC could be better off losing Toledo and gaining Nova and Army. 03-confused
No!
I took the long way around to show that LK has smoked to much chronic in his life and that his thought patterns are that of an individual that has lost a lot of brain cells. 01-wingedeagle
I will not take Towson lightly, as last season we opened with South Alabama and barely escaped with a W. Towson is a solid squad that will certainly be coming with the plan of taking home a win. The top DIAA teams certainly can hang with the MAC programs, but depth comes into play. Staying healthy and winning the battle of turnovers is the equalizer.
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