according to 3 different people she talked to in the industry they are going to easily surpass the $1.4 Billion 9 year deal they turned down from ESPN in 2011...JMO the BIG EAST could be getting close to ACC $$$$ for the All Sports Schools payout. Most interesting part starts @ the 13 Minute Mark.
http://media.espn929.com/a/61472900/espn...ike+aresco
I suspect that if Cuse and Pitt had stayed, the Big East would have surpassed the ACC even with WVU leaving.
Heads will explode in ACC land if the BE gets a bigger tv contract
(08-21-2012 01:14 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote: [ -> ]Heads will explode in ACC land if the BE gets a bigger tv contract
And if it is bigger than the B12? then what happens?
The space time continuum will cease to exist.
(08-21-2012 11:22 AM)Maize Wrote: [ -> ]according to 3 different people she talked to in the industry they are going to easily surpass the $1.4 Billion 9 year deal they turned down from ESPN in 2011...JMO the BIG EAST could be getting close to ACC $$$$ for the All Sports Schools payout. Most interesting part starts @ the 13 Minute Mark.
http://media.espn929.com/a/61472900/espn...ike+aresco
Great link. I think the BE will get something north of $15MM average, whether it's a gradual build or steady. The teams are competitive and some will be ranked leading to higher ratings. The OOC games at home with top teams will be valuable inventory. I also think the contract will include values or changes based on teams entering or leaving the league. Wish Pitt would have stayed, they have a decent brand and their sports teams are competitive.
BE needs to be creative in their Bowls. Get into some better ones based on criteria such as rankings. Have the championship game at someone's field so that we don't get an ACC type showing at a neutral field. Heaven knows the BE does not currently travel that well overall and it's going to be a problem with the bowls.
So the Big East choice or going after markets is gonna pay off. Someone might wanna go check on miko33. This might take him over the edge.
(08-21-2012 02:09 PM)War Torn Ruston Wrote: [ -> ]So the Big East choice or going after markets is gonna pay off. Someone might wanna go check on miko33. This might take him over the edge.
Not sure how much it has to do with markets. Sure, if a team like Rutgers does really well they gain more fans and viewership than say an ECU since RU market is enormous and filled with very casual fans who love following a winner. However, I think the strength of the teams and ability to get ranked holds much more appeal for a network for broadcast. The BE will likely have some VERY relevant games (especially compared to next conference down) due to their rankings and OOC schedule.
I think the upside potential of these markets for teams that CAN do well is something NBC will factor in, but I think they will discount it.
(08-21-2012 01:14 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote: [ -> ]Heads will explode in ACC land if the BE gets a bigger tv contract
FSU and Miami would freak out if suddenly UCF and USF started making more than them. The Nole's might start openly applying for membership to the SEC and BigXII.
If Aresco can get this done and get us an ACC level TV contract, the last peice to the puzzle will be a strong bowl tie in for our champ. Clearly a matchup against the ACC champ in the Orange Bowl would be ideal. It copies the model set by the other 4 major conferences and doesn't relegate either conference's champion to playing against the 3rd place team from another conference. However, the ACC's pride will probably prevent that from happening so the BE may be forced to create a new bowl or try to get into something like the Holiday Bowl or Outback Bowl.
yeah, what FSU does if UCF and USF get more money than they do is the big dynamic.
To be a fly on the ACC's wall right now. What the heck must they be thinking right now.
Interesting. Although it depends on how "easily exceeds" is defined. That $1.4 million over 9 years, assuming 25% to basketball is $10.6 million for an all sports school (8.3 fb+2.3 bb). With 33% basketball its $10.5 million (7.4+3.1). You have to remember that this is now divided 17 and 14 ways, not 17 and 9. If easily is 20%, the Big East is still not quite where the ACC was before Pitt and SU were added. And if they really were at $1.4 billion with TCU, Pitt and SU, that was $15.3 million (at 25% bb) and $14.5 million (at 33% bb). If the BE turned down a contract bigger than the ACC and almost at the Big 12 level at the time, no wonder Pitt and SU revolted. The emphasis is on "if." This $155 million a year is much bigger than the $110 million that was leaked at the time.
Still $10-$13 million a year is a huge increase for all those schools and very good. Its also puts them closer to the Big 5 than to the remaining 4.
I still don't buy the optimistic numbers, but as a side point: A big contract pretty much solves the bowl problem. Say the football contract would be worth $5M per team, for $70M. Shave $1M per team off of that, and you have a $14M pot for an NBC Bowl. The bowl increases the value of the Big East regular season, so it makes sense to bundle a Big East #1 bowl tie-in with the Big East football Tier 1. That payout will be in the top ten bowls, around what the SEC #2 vs Big 10 #2 or ACC #2 vs SEC bowl pays out
Before I get the responses about the lowball number, it works no matter what the size of the contract is. Say $15M each for football, $210M a year, if you shave off $2M a team, that's $28M, way more than anything but the Big Six games.
bullet - Correct that "easily exceeds" can be interpreted in a number of ways. I think the Big East will receive an offer that exceeds the ESPN offer of $111 million per year in total. That total might even be on par with the ACC's total. That's what I believe these industry sources are saying when referring to rosy estimates for the Big East. However, that doesn't mean that the per school payout is going to be at the ACC-level (which is what Big East fans care about more).
(08-21-2012 03:05 PM)johnbragg Wrote: [ -> ]I still don't buy the optimistic numbers, but as a side point: A big contract pretty much solves the bowl problem. Say the football contract would be worth $5M per team, for $70M. Shave $1M per team off of that, and you have a $14M pot for an NBC Bowl. The bowl increases the value of the Big East regular season, so it makes sense to bundle a Big East #1 bowl tie-in with the Big East football Tier 1. That payout will be in the top ten bowls, around what the SEC #2 vs Big 10 #2 or ACC #2 vs SEC bowl pays out
Before I get the responses about the lowball number, it works no matter what the size of the contract is. Say $15M each for football, $210M a year, if you shave off $2M a team, that's $28M, way more than anything but the Big Six games.
Dunno much about how that all works with the new bowls, but it would be interesting if a portion of the money is used to procure a bowl that is in the Championship Series (kinda like ACC and the Orange bowl). Maybe NBC buys it as part of the deal or something. That would make things VERY interesting.
(08-21-2012 03:22 PM)Ron313 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-21-2012 03:05 PM)johnbragg Wrote: [ -> ]I still don't buy the optimistic numbers, but as a side point: A big contract pretty much solves the bowl problem. Say the football contract would be worth $5M per team, for $70M. Shave $1M per team off of that, and you have a $14M pot for an NBC Bowl. The bowl increases the value of the Big East regular season, so it makes sense to bundle a Big East #1 bowl tie-in with the Big East football Tier 1. That payout will be in the top ten bowls, around what the SEC #2 vs Big 10 #2 or ACC #2 vs SEC bowl pays out
Before I get the responses about the lowball number, it works no matter what the size of the contract is. Say $15M each for football, $210M a year, if you shave off $2M a team, that's $28M, way more than anything but the Big Six games.
Dunno much about how that all works with the new bowls, but it would be interesting if a portion of the money is used to procure a bowl that is in the Championship Series (kinda like ACC and the Orange bowl). Maybe NBC buys it as part of the deal or something. That would make things VERY interesting.
Oh, I don't see that happening--the contract-bowl conferences will still treat the Big East like we have BO. But I think packaging a bowl with the football contract makes a ton of sense.
Or to put it another way, I don't think it makes sense to pay $50M-$100M-$200M for regular season Big EAst football and then NOT pay $10M-$20M-$50M for a bowl for the Big East champ to play in against a quality opponent, even if that means moving money from the "regular season" pot to the bowl pot.
bigeast may get near the acc's deal before it was redone when cuse and pitt joined.but the ncs(new championship series)money will still have quite a gap between acc and bigeast.The only chance acc lets bigeast into orange bowl agreement is if there highest rated at large team or if the bigeast takes quite a bit under sec or big ten.The acc will get over 50% of revenue from orange bowl,how much over depends on who opponent is sec would likely get 47%,big10 45%,bigeast would have to take 40% or lower
The Big East isn't getting the 17 million dollars that the ACC is getting. However, the fact that the Big East in its current state could even approach those numbers shows what an awful negotiator Swofford is. I wouldn't be shocked to see another ACC raid on the Big East if the BE gets a large contract and sets up its own bowl with a strong opponent..
(08-21-2012 03:49 PM)uconnbaseball Wrote: [ -> ]The Big East isn't getting the 17 million dollars that the ACC is getting. However, the fact that the Big East in its current state could even approach those numbers shows what an awful negotiator Swofford is. I wouldn't be shocked to see another ACC raid on the Big East if the BE gets a large contract and sets up its own bowl with a strong opponent..
Oh I agree. These things don't operate in a vacuum. If it becomes clear that the BE is going to get anything remotely close to the ACC you can bet there will be forces out there to try and put a stop to it. We have seen it done before on a couple occasions, as recently as just this past year when the ACC took Pitt and Syracuse.
This next go around may have a couple different components to it (different conference shifts) to make it all work out.