Very interesting comment
The long-term stability of the conference is critical to us, so anything that contributes to that is a good thing, from our perspective," Swarbrick said.
Notre Dame is football independent, but competes in the Big East in many of its other sports, including men's and women's basketball. The Big East was forced to rebuild after losing longtime members West Virginia, Pittsburgh and Syracuse.
Swarbrick said a more stable Big East could also lead the independent football program to consider resuming its partnership with the conference on secondary bowl options.
"In my time here, the affiliation has been for a single bowl game," said Swarbrick. "That creates challenges for us. We are exploring a host of potential ways in which we might deepen the number and nature of our bowl affiliations. There's a lot of work ahead in that but certainly working with The Big East on that is one possibility."
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...mmissioner
So in other words, ND wants a crack at making the Russell Athletic Bowl and the Belk Bowl as well.
(08-17-2012 05:45 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ]So in other words, ND wants a crack at making the Russell Athletic Bowl and the Belk Bowl as well.
Yup...fine but @ a price and we know what that price is...shared status with the Orange Bowl...the pool is either a BIG EAST school or ND vs. the ACC Champ with record/ranking as the tie breaker.
I think the pool in the OB will be bigger than that.
It doesn't sound like ND is ready to jump to the ACC as a partial member.
(08-17-2012 07:10 AM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ]It doesn't sound like ND is ready to jump to the ACC as a partial member.
Same here. I don't really know what's up, one way or the other, but I never thought that was as big a possibility as some surmised. And unlike some others in here, I think it is a GOOD thing to have ND in the Big East. Great Olympic sports, great rep, great school.
It's obvious that ND is not going to join a conference in FB. It also seems they are not interested in the B12 for Oly sports. Just not enough in common, I guess. I do think IF they ever move Oly sports, the ACC is the leading candidate, b/c some of the teams they already play moved there. But there is no way they were going to agree to a 6-game ACC schedule, or anything close. And ND has much more in common with the Catholic schools in the BE.
The only way I can see ND jumping is if the nBE gets a low TV contract AND the divide becomes wide and clear with the other 4 or 5 conferences. In that case, they might want to associate their Oly sports with a more prestigious conference, but I don't think that's happening, either.
(08-17-2012 07:10 AM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ]It doesn't sound like ND is ready to jump to the ACC as a partial member.
It could be that they intend to use the threat of leaving for the ACC as leverage to get a sweeter deal with the Big East. I suspect that ESPN has been working behind the scenes (as they have done previously with Big East defectors) to get ND into the ACC since they fear losing the Big East to NBC Sports. It seems to me that the Big East remains the ideal conference affiliation for Notre Dame (for several reasons) and I think the relationship can be mutually beneficial to both sides. We need Notre Dame and I think they need the Big East.
(08-17-2012 06:00 AM)Maize Wrote: [ -> ] (08-17-2012 05:45 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ]So in other words, ND wants a crack at making the Russell Athletic Bowl and the Belk Bowl as well.
Yup...fine but @ a price and we know what that price is...shared status with the Orange Bowl...the pool is either a BIG EAST school or ND vs. the ACC Champ with record/ranking as the tie breaker.
I agree
(08-16-2012 11:22 PM)Maize Wrote: [ -> ]Swarbrick said a more stable Big East could also lead the independent football program to consider resuming its partnership with the conference on secondary bowl options.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...mmissioner
If it only benefits ND then how is it a 'partnership'?
(08-17-2012 08:47 AM)bearcatfan Wrote: [ -> ] (08-16-2012 11:22 PM)Maize Wrote: [ -> ]Swarbrick said a more stable Big East could also lead the independent football program to consider resuming its partnership with the conference on secondary bowl options.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...mmissioner
If it only benefits ND then how is it a 'partnership'?
It's a partnership if it allows the conference to land bowl tie-ins the Big East would not have otherwise been able to attract. Notre Dame is a very nice carrot to dangle in front of a bowl selection committee.
(08-17-2012 07:10 AM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ]It doesn't sound like ND is ready to jump to the ACC as a partial member.
No it doesn't. Playing in the Big East going forward is good for their national brand strategy. Play in Texas, Tennessee, Florida, the Northeast, the Midwest, Kentucky. Plus I'm sure they'd be part of the pool to play Boise and SDSU. The ACC will almost certainly be where ND lands if it ever has to join a conference in all-sports for some reason.
(08-17-2012 08:53 AM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (08-17-2012 08:47 AM)bearcatfan Wrote: [ -> ] (08-16-2012 11:22 PM)Maize Wrote: [ -> ]Swarbrick said a more stable Big East could also lead the independent football program to consider resuming its partnership with the conference on secondary bowl options.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...mmissioner
If it only benefits ND then how is it a 'partnership'?
It's a partnership if it allows the conference to land bowl tie-ins the Big East would not have otherwise been able to attract. Notre Dame is a very nice carrot to dangle in front of a bowl selection committee.
Agree. I've never understood why some BE fans think ND takes advantage of us. They are a great school with a lot of prestige. They help the BE's image. They haven't taken anything away from us, as far as I can tell. I like having ND in the BE for Oly sports, since they are never going to join any conference in FB, if they can help it. They are very good in basketball, and are consistently the best team in the conference, overall, for Oly sports.
ND has finished 1ST EVERY year in the "cup" standings among Big East teams. Thats quite an accomplishment
(08-17-2012 08:59 AM)brista21 Wrote: [ -> ]The ACC will almost certainly be where ND lands if it ever has to join a conference in all-sports for some reason.
Really? Explain to the Domers why they would give up games with Michigan, Purdue, or Navy for road trips to Clemson, SC, Blacksburg, VA, and Tallahassee, FL. They aren't.
ND still has no interest in pushing this. If forced to, the Big 10 would still take their call.
I don't mind sharing big east bowl tie-ins with ND if they can improve the tie-ins we have. If you can get something like
1. BCS
2. Gator
3. Tangerine
4. Charlotte
5. Liberty
6. Pinstripe
7. Armed forces
8. Poinsettia
By sharing a few extra spots with ND, I think its worth it.
I think ND has taken three Big East slots in the 14 years they have had an arrangement with Big East bowls. And to my knwoledge, it has never resulted in a BE bwol eligble team to miss out on a bowl. That's it. Not a big deal. And this year they did it when the the BE has three teams with less than stellar records tie for first anyway.
(08-17-2012 09:23 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote: [ -> ] (08-17-2012 08:59 AM)brista21 Wrote: [ -> ]The ACC will almost certainly be where ND lands if it ever has to join a conference in all-sports for some reason.
Really? Explain to the Domers why they would give up games with Michigan, Purdue, or Navy for road trips to Clemson, SC, Blacksburg, VA, and Tallahassee, FL. They aren't.
ND still has no interest in pushing this. If forced to, the Big 10 would still take their call.
Hoya:
ND has absolutely zero interest in ever joining the Big Ten. None. Zero.
ND has a lot of bad feelings towards that conference because of past events and do not want to be "pigeonholed" as a Midwestern school.
They also think that the Big Ten is really the Big 10 (Ohio State and Michigan) and the Little 10.
If, if ....ND had to join a conference in all sports, it would likely be the ACC.
i agree with general Mike above! It is a good deal to venture with ND to help secure a BCS tie in and also to improve the other bowls up a notch. We need to somehow wiggle back into the Orange Bowl picture and keep improving the other Florida Bowl to the point it pats almos as much as the Orange etc..
Since there is no "BCS" Bowl Games after 2014 it should be partnership if that what they want with "ALL BOWLS" since ND does benefit in Women Hoops by being in the same league as Rutgers & UConn and in Men Hoops being in the same league as UConn, Louisville, Marquette, Memphis, Cincinnati, Georgetown, Villanova, Temple & Saint John's.
Damn, look @ that hoops lineup and some want to say the BIG EAST is still not the best BBall league in the country.
(08-17-2012 10:17 AM)Maize Wrote: [ -> ]Damn, look @ that hoops lineup and some want to say the BIG EAST is still not the best BBall league in the country.
The move of Syracuse was a big tip in the balance of power. Before the Big East has 3 top tier (top 10 all time) basketball programs in Connecticut, Louisville, and Syracuse, and several more second tier (top 10-30 all time) programs in Cincinnati, Georgetown, Marquette, Villanova, St. Johns, and a few more programs that are have been nationally relevant over the past 20 years such as Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Providence, and West Virginia. And really I could probably include Depaul and Seton Hall in the latter category if they weren't so down at this very moment.
Historically I think the swap of Temple and Memphis for West Virginia and Pittsburgh is about even. Temple isnc't currently where Pitt or WVU are now, but over time it's a net swap. Houston is an unknown because while they were once great, they've been down for a while. But the loss of Syracuse not only took a big chunk from the top, but it gave the ACC the right to claim three top tier programs themselves, and got to add Pittsburgh to their depth chart so to speak.
It's less about the Big East being way down - I actually think BE ball will be better over time as the BE was sometimes too top heavy for its own good, and knocked out potential NCAA teams in the middle in the 7-12 range - but the ACC closed the gap between themselves and us, in addition to the BE coming slightly back to the pack with our losses.