Surprised they didn't move hoops to the CAA. Northeastern and Hofstra are in the CAA for hoops.
(08-07-2012 09:08 PM)zipsfan Wrote: [ -> ]It looks like Stony Brook and Albany have been added to the CAA for football starting in 2013. I know Stony Brook has been mentioned as a possible addition for the MAC.
http://www.vagazette.com/sports/va-vg-ca...3231.story
I have championed Stony Brook as a program which desires to move up and a natural bookend for UB.
Stony Brook could have natural rivalries, if they move up to FBS, with UB, Albany, UMass, Army, etc.
I think the Mac missed a huge opportunity when we passed on adding one of these team. I am sure they had their reasons that we haven't discussed or talked about... LoL
(08-07-2012 09:27 PM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote: [ -> ]Surprised they didn't move hoops to the CAA. Northeastern and Hofstra are in the CAA for hoops.
Rumor is Hofstra blocked Stony Brooks admission..
Dear Louis Kitton,
How does Hofstra block anyone's admission to the MAC, when they are not in it, and they voted to downgrade their football program to 1-AA or whatever? I could understand Buffalo blocking, but not Hofstra.
(08-08-2012 08:07 AM)Ken Barna Wrote: [ -> ]Dear Louis Kitton,
How does Hofstra block anyone's admission to the MAC, when they are not in it, and they voted to downgrade their football program to 1-AA or whatever? I could understand Buffalo blocking, but not Hofstra.
Ken,
I think you missed something here.
What is being said is that Hofstra might have blocked Stony Brook's (and Albany's) full membership to the CAA.
What this thread is about:
Stony Brook and Albany are move UP within the FCS ranks to the CAA for FB only.
CAA is a very good FCS FB conference.
I believe Stony Brook is in the Big South and Albany in the Northeast Conference.
Dear emu steve,
Thanks for the enlightenment. I stand corrected. From some of the comments I was reading, I thought it was about Stoney Brook coming into the MAC and having to settle somewhere else.
FWIW, I did watch on television the pivotal game last fall where Liberty played at Stony Brook for the Big South lead (or championship).
The Stony Brook stadium is very nice but very small (~ 8K). The stadium was full.
Big South is not a good home for Stony Brook. They'd do much, much better playing schools like Albany, New Hampshire, JMU, Delaware, etc. and an occasional FBS game vs. UB, Army, UMass, etc.
Don't know if they can realistically expand it or if it becomes a soccer stadium if a new stadium is built.
My guess, and it is only a guess, is that Stony Brook probably has more potential than UBuffalo at being a good FBS football school.
Might guess is that they would outdraw UB in attendance and would probably recruit better, having access to the areas in Pa, N.J. Mass, etc.
(08-08-2012 08:38 AM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]My guess, and it is only a guess, is that Stony Brook probably has more potential than UBuffalo at being a good FBS football school.
Might guess is that they would outdraw UB in attendance and would probably recruit better, having access to the areas in Pa, N.J. Mass, etc.
I don't know how much I agree with that. The New York City and Long Island area really just isn't a college sports area. There are too many professional teams down there and college sports just never really took off.
(08-08-2012 08:35 AM)Ken Barna Wrote: [ -> ]Dear emu steve,
Thanks for the enlightenment. I stand corrected. From some of the comments I was reading, I thought it was about Stoney Brook coming into the MAC and having to settle somewhere else.
You are maybe 5 years ahead of things.
I think Stony Brook could be in the MAC within 5 years.
It will be an interesting experiment if college FB can make it big time out on Long Island.
They tell me that the NFL has two teams in N.Y.
(08-08-2012 08:38 AM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]FWIW, I did watch on television the pivotal game last fall where Liberty played at Stony Brook for the Big South lead (or championship).
The Stony Brook stadium is very nice but very small (~ 8K). The stadium was full.
Don't know if they can realistically expand it or if it becomes a soccer stadium if a new stadium is built.
My guess, and it is only a guess, is that Stony Brook probably has more potential than UBuffalo at being a good FBS football school.
Might guess is that they would outdraw UB in attendance and would probably recruit better, having access to the areas in Pa, N.J. Mass, etc.
SBU's ultimate goal is an FBS invite to catch up with their AAU peers, mainly UB and Rutgers. Stony Brook is one of only 2 public AAU programs playing FCS, the other being UC-Davis. All the rest are FBS. UB happens to be the only public, AAU, FBS member not in a 'Big 5' football conference.
They have had preliminary plans by a design firm on the shelf to expand LaValle Stadium to 15K, never formly released. Based on how often NY gives out funds for major athletic projects, it will be a while for them. It took a decade for Albany to get their stadium funded for 2013 completion, Buffalo State College wants $40 Mil for their new football/track facility and is finding it difficult, and UB gave up on any public funding for our $25 Mil fieldhouse.
The difference between WNY and LI is, football is #1 here, while Lax is bigger than football in LI. LI produces a pitifull number of D-1 football recruits for their population, and even worse when you add NYC to that. Last season there were 10 NFL players on rosters from WNY High schools, more than NYC/LI.
UB did it all far too quickly. From D-3 in 1992 to full-scholarship 1-AA, playing YSU, UMass, UConn, Ill St by 1995, and FBS in '99. The other SUNY's are taking it slow but still not matching what UB drew even when we had many losing 1-AA seasons. We averaged 7,600 in 1997, then our drive to 1-A/MAC ticket compliance led to an average of 19,835 in 1998 (ranked 6th in 1-AA). Our FBS best was when we brought ~30,000 fans to the International Bowl. SBU averaged just 5,573 last season, even after 3 straight Big South titles. They still have a ways to go.
CUSA and Big East left the door open for the MAC to take some of the northeast markets. MAC has 12 hoops and could add six football only with its current setup. If MAC were to add Albany, Stony Brook, Delaware, JMU, and New Hampshire for 18 teams and then move BGSU, Miami and Ohio to the west. Perhaps multiple regional TV packages with YES, NESN, FSN Detroit, Comcast, and STO for the MAC. If you got the whole cable package you could be watching several MAC games at the same time. ESPN would perhaps pay a premium for select rivalry games
and those would be the ones that the MAC would showcase like Toledo-NIU,WMU-CMU, Miami-Ohio, UMass-Delaware, Akron-Kent State
MAC East-
Akron
Kent State
Massachusetts
New Hampshire
Albany
Stony Brook
Buffalo
Delaware
James Madison
MAC West-
Ohio
Miami
Toledo
Bowling Green State
Ball State
Northern Illinois
Eastern Michigan
Central Michigan
Western Michigan
You standing in for LK now? Is he in the can right now or did you get too close to him and get infected?
(08-08-2012 11:09 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote: [ -> ]You standing in for LK now?
18 team conference?????
x 18
I'd be happy with Stony Brook as #14.
And maybe JMU and Delaware as #15 and 16.
(08-09-2012 04:29 AM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]18 team conference????? x 18
I'd be happy with Stony Brook as #14.
And maybe JMU and Delaware as #15 and 16.
It's real easy for you West Division guys to just jam a bunch of JVS schools in the East Division. I have ZERO interest in playing a bunch of JVS schools. If you guys like the JVS so much, why not get some midwest ones into your division? Then we can move Toledo to the East.
(08-09-2012 06:33 AM)zibby Wrote: [ -> ] (08-09-2012 04:29 AM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]18 team conference????? x 18
I'd be happy with Stony Brook as #14.
And maybe JMU and Delaware as #15 and 16.
It's real easy for you West Division guys to just jam a bunch of JVS schools in the East Division. I have ZERO interest in playing a bunch of JVS schools. If you guys like the JVS so much, why not get some midwest ones into your division? Then we can move Toledo to the East.
I agree....just let me know which ones in the midwest have shown an interest in moving up. I would LOVE for NIU to have an in state rival.
(08-08-2012 10:20 PM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote: [ -> ]CUSA and Big East left the door open for the MAC to take some of the northeast markets. MAC has 12 hoops and could add six football only with its current setup. If MAC were to add Albany, Stony Brook, Delaware, JMU, and New Hampshire for 18 teams and then move BGSU, Miami and Ohio to the west. Perhaps multiple regional TV packages with YES, NESN, FSN Detroit, Comcast, and STO for the MAC. If you got the whole cable package you could be watching several MAC games at the same time. ESPN would perhaps pay a premium for select rivalry games
and those would be the ones that the MAC would showcase like Toledo-NIU,WMU-CMU, Miami-Ohio, UMass-Delaware, Akron-Kent State
MAC East-
Akron
Kent State
Massachusetts
New Hampshire
Albany
Stony Brook
Buffalo
Delaware
James Madison
MAC West-
Ohio
Miami
Toledo
Bowling Green State
Ball State
Northern Illinois
Eastern Michigan
Central Michigan
Western Michigan
Did you move from weed to the crack rock????
Must be the heat, while NEw Hampshire is a great FCS team they will never have a MAC size stadium. Albany and Stony Brook are at least 5 years or probably more away to be able to make the jump. This would leave 7 teams in the west and east and BG in purgatory.
Stop this patch work approach. I am betting, and with some insight, that there will be no more FB only members. The strength in conferences, as I have said many times before, lies in a total membership of common goals and similar profiles. MAC has learned it lesson.