I'll guess 20 schollys per year for 5 years and bowl ban for the same period of time. They're dead for the next decade.
NCAA is moving as quickly as it can given that the Freeh report was only recently released.
Now will PSU players attempt to transfer in the next two weeks before fall practice begins?????
The calendar is tight.
Do other schools have available scholarships for the transferees???
(We had a thread on the EMU board that MSU is 3 players over the 85 limit).
1) Penn State gets banned from bowl games for 11 years (2012-2022).
2) Penn State banned from Big 10 title game for 11 years (2012-2022).
3) Penn State put on severe NCAA probation for 11 years (2012-2022).
4) Penn State loses 15 scholarships per year for 10 years (2013-2022).
5) Penn State gets no non-B10 home games for 10 years (2013-2022).
6) Penn State cannot play live on national TV for 5 years (2013-2017).
7) Penn State players may transfer after season (immediate eligibility).
8) Penn State donates portion of football profits to children's charities.
9) Penn State gets visited monthly by NCAA for 11 years (2012-2022).
Not to sound overly melodramatic, Penn State University (not to mention the football program) may never get back to elite status.
My parent's who were attending college (mom at OU, dad at Toledo) during the "Kent State Massacre" tell stories that Kent was on a roll at the time--second only to Ohio State when the shootings occurred. Kent State, while still a respectable University has never quite recovered.
Some of the "old timers' here may have additional insight. I'd be interested in hearing what you have to say.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...ource-says
Didn't see this posted.
"NCAA president Mark Emmert has decided to punish Penn State with severe penalties likely to include a significant loss of scholarships and loss of multiple bowls, a source close to the decision told ESPN's Joe Schad on Sunday morning.
But Penn State will not receive the so-called "death penalty" that would have suspended the program for at least one year, the source said.
The penalties, however, are considered to be so harsh that the death penalty may have been preferable, the source said."
It's all speculation at this point. Can't wait to see the press conference tomorrow.
I guess that should put to rest all the opinions of posters that the NCAA can not punish the football program over it.
(07-22-2012 06:41 PM)San Giuseppe Jato Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]Not to sound overly melodramatic, Penn State University (not to mention the football program) may never get back to elite status.
My parent's who were attending college (mom at OU, dad at Toledo) during the "Kent State Massacre" tell stories that Kent was on a roll at the time--second only to Ohio State when the shootings occurred. Kent State, while still a respectable University has never quite recovered.
Some of the "old timers' here may have additional insight. I'd be interested in hearing what you have to say.
There will always be black cloud over the University because of it I assume, regardless of any NCAA sanctions.
Purely anecdotal but I was at the gym last night and I saw a guy on the show wearing a Penn State hat. I walked closer to the tv to hear what he was saying and it turned out to just be someone talking about the current weather situation. I have a feeling that "Penn State" will trigger thoughts of this scandal for many years to come.
(07-22-2012 08:05 PM)Campbell4President Wrote: [ -> ]I guess that should put to rest all the opinions of posters that the NCAA can not punish the football program over it.
This is unprecedented and the first time ever that the NCAA President is leveling sanctions himself and got approval to do so without going through their normal processes. One of the main reasons they are doing it this was is because they know it would be tough to make things stick using normal procedures. The President of the NCAA is essentially using his own interpretation of a certain bylaw to justify it.
IMO, the interesting part will be whether or not the Big Ten decides to kick Penn State out of the league in response to everything.
(07-22-2012 04:34 PM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...s/related/
Curious how many PSU players will seek transfers and immediate '12 eligiblity?
Multiple bowl years?
Big hits to Scholarships?
might want to double check the tread title, I think you left out a word.
Regardless of the sanctions they'll still have a lot to payout in lawsuits. I suggest they put a 10% sin tax on all tickets and concessions at their home games to pay out the settlements. I don't want any of my tax $$ going to their debts, those supporting the program ( AKA those they catered to in protecting the image for over the welfare of the children) should be footing the bill. A typical Saturday brings 100k+ fans so it will add up quickly.
I also find it so odd that the NCAA is acting so swiftly considering they drug their feet forever with USC as well as Cam Newton/Auburn and then nothing there.
If all this is is Penn State cutting a big check and missing a couple years of bowl games I think I'll start joining in to the chorus of NCAA haters out there. This program needs to suffer to wake up the cult of football at State College.
(07-22-2012 09:45 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote: [ -> ] (07-22-2012 08:05 PM)Campbell4President Wrote: [ -> ]I guess that should put to rest all the opinions of posters that the NCAA can not punish the football program over it.
This is unprecedented and the first time ever that the NCAA President is leveling sanctions himself and got approval to do so without going through their normal processes. One of the main reasons they are doing it this was is because they know it would be tough to make things stick using normal procedures. The President of the NCAA is essentially using his own interpretation of a certain bylaw to justify it.
IMO, the interesting part will be whether or not the Big Ten decides to kick Penn State out of the league in response to everything.
Everything is rolling downhill for PSU here with the NCAA dropping the hammer...
NCAA penalties normally would indicate that a situation has been administered and dealt with but in this case will serve more reason d'etre for kicking PSU out of the B1G.
The B1G will feel compelled because of public opinion not to just standby but to do something themselves and with PSU already picking up massive penalties, bowl bans and scholarship reductions from the NCAA the only thing left for the B1G would be to kick out PSU from the conference.
There have been schools through the course of NCAA history that have been kicked out of their conferences for far less than what Penn State has been guilty of so by no means would it be unprecedented.
I have no idea what the Big Ten will do but if I had to guess, I wouldn't think they'd kick them out of the conference. I do think the football program deserves everything that is handed to them up to the Death Penalty if they would have received that but I just can't picture the Big Ten kicking them out. If the NCAA drops the hammer on them, which they should and it sounds like they will, the Big Ten will not have to punish PSU at all. The lawsuits and the NCAA will be heavy and will probably be enough for them.
The Big Ten is not kicking out Penn State. Schools like Indiana and Minnestota will be extremely happy to get easy wins and start getting regular bowl bids at the expense of a weak Penn State football team that gets beaten down like blue-headed stepchildren every week for a substantial length of time. A television ban for Penn State also benefits those teams as it means more appearances will be thrown their way.
No reason to kick out Penn State, and add another competitor who can challenge them, when they can simply beat the crap out of Penn State on the field for the duration of the sanctions. As for the Big Ten feeling the need to act, they can simply say the criminal justice system is dealing with the conspirators, and then co-sign the NCAA sanctions. Penn State will serve their penance for hopefully at least a decade.
(07-22-2012 11:30 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote: [ -> ]The Big Ten is not kicking out Penn State. Schools like Indiana and Minnestota will be extremely happy to get easy wins and start getting regular bowl bids at the expense of a weak Penn State football team that gets beaten down like blue-headed stepchildren every week for a substantial length of time. A television ban for Penn State also benefits those teams as it means more appearances will be thrown their way.
No reason to kick out Penn State, and add another competitor who can challenge them, when they can simply beat the crap out of Penn State on the field for the duration of the sanctions. As for the Big Ten feeling the need to act, they can simply say the criminal justice system is dealing with the conspirators, and then co-sign the NCAA sanctions. Penn State will serve their penance for hopefully at least a decade.
That's funny...I had typed a very similar comment in my last post but deleted it before posting...down to the exact teams of Indiana and Minnesota.
(07-22-2012 11:22 PM)Campbell4President Wrote: [ -> ]I have no idea what the Big Ten will do but if I had to guess, I wouldn't think they'd kick them out of the conference. I do think the football program deserves everything that is handed to them up to the Death Penalty if they would have received that but I just can't picture the Big Ten kicking them out. If the NCAA drops the hammer on them, which they should and it sounds like they will, the Big Ten will not have to punish PSU at all. The lawsuits and the NCAA will be heavy and will probably be enough for them.
Jim Delany the commish of the Big Ten thinks he should have czar powers to hire/fire football coaches that engage in illicit behavior so he may be on the side of giving PSU the boot for their actions. You are talking about a guy with a no BS allowed attitude leading the B1G.
If Penn State's program is facing mortal damage for the next decade that will hurt the value of the B1G contract. How about advertisers? Advertisers may boycott Penn State further hurting the B1G.
It would be much more difficult for the B1G to expel OSU or Michigan than Penn State sitting on the edge of the conference....The B1G could easily backfill with Oklahoma, Florida State or maybe even Texas to replace Penn State. Penn State is very replaceable and is a program mostly living on their past glory for 10-15 years now, a few seasons aside.