NFL.com - Chad Reuter provides the top draft-eligible QB college players.
1. Matt Barkley, 6-foot-2, 230 pounds, USC
2. Logan Thomas, 6-6, 262, Virginia Tech
3. Aaron Murray, 6-1, 211, Georgia
4. Zac Dysert, 6-4, 230, Miami (Ohio)
5. Tyler Wilson, 6-3, 220, Arkansas
6. Landry Jones, 6-4, 230, Oklahoma
7. E.J. Manuel, 6-5, 238, Florida State
8. Tyler Bray, 6-6, 213, Tennessee
(07-17-2012 02:26 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote: [ -> ]NFL.com - Chad Reuter provides the top draft-eligible QB college players.
1. Matt Barkley, 6-foot-2, 230 pounds, USC
2. Logan Thomas, 6-6, 262, Virginia Tech
3. Aaron Murray, 6-1, 211, Georgia
4. Zac Dysert, 6-4, 230, Miami (Ohio)
5. Tyler Wilson, 6-3, 220, Arkansas
6. Landry Jones, 6-4, 230, Oklahoma
7. E.J. Manuel, 6-5, 238, Florida State
8. Tyler Bray, 6-6, 213, Tennessee
Anyone still wanna say Carder's better than Dysert?
(07-17-2012 02:35 PM)huskiebob Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2012 02:26 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote: [ -> ]NFL.com - Chad Reuter provides the top draft-eligible QB college players.
1. Matt Barkley, 6-foot-2, 230 pounds, USC
2. Logan Thomas, 6-6, 262, Virginia Tech
3. Aaron Murray, 6-1, 211, Georgia
4. Zac Dysert, 6-4, 230, Miami (Ohio)
5. Tyler Wilson, 6-3, 220, Arkansas
6. Landry Jones, 6-4, 230, Oklahoma
7. E.J. Manuel, 6-5, 238, Florida State
8. Tyler Bray, 6-6, 213, Tennessee
Anyone still wanna say Carder's better than Dysert?
So, you want to debate whether or not Carder is a better college QB than Dysert? Or which one is a better pro prospect.
The list provided and your statement are two completely different things.
I will argue that, Bob.
Carder is a better college QB. Whether or not that will translate to the pros is a different discussion. Dysert may have the edge there, don't really know what different pro teams look for.
We'll see this season when the two teams play.
(07-17-2012 04:27 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote: [ -> ]I will argue that, Bob.
Carder is a better college QB. Whether or not that will translate to the pros is a different discussion. Dysert may have the edge there, don't really know what different pro teams look for.
We'll see this season when the two teams play.
I respect your (EA3 and you) opinions. And I would expect you'd be loyal to your guy. Just like I felt that Chandler Harnish was a better QB his junior and senior seasons than Dan Lefevour at that stage of his career. I'm sure most CMU fans would disagree.
Carder really needs to take his team to the MACC to validate himself. I'm somewhat of a skeptic based on what I've seen of him. Although Dysert got injured in Game 10 in 2010, he was instrumental in Miami winning the MACC that year. Admittedly, I've only seen Dysert in person one time.
Good luck to the Broncos (except for October 27th) this year. I always enjoy the trip to Kalamazoo!
Of course Phil Steele's Top Draft Eligible QB's has:
#15 Carder
#37 Tettleton
#38 Dysert
#60 Wenning
(07-17-2012 05:45 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]Of course Phil Steele's Top Draft Eligible QB's has:
#15 Carder
#37 Tettleton
#38 Dysert
#60 Wenning
There's no way Tettleton should rank ahead of Dysert.
(07-17-2012 05:37 PM)huskiebob Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2012 04:27 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote: [ -> ]I will argue that, Bob.
Carder is a better college QB. Whether or not that will translate to the pros is a different discussion. Dysert may have the edge there, don't really know what different pro teams look for.
We'll see this season when the two teams play.
I respect your (EA3 and you) opinions. And I would expect you'd be loyal to your guy. Just like I felt that Chandler Harnish was a better QB his junior and senior seasons than Dan Lefevour at that stage of his career. I'm sure most CMU fans would disagree.
Carder really needs to take his team to the MACC to validate himself. I'm somewhat of a skeptic based on what I've seen of him. Although Dysert got injured in Game 10 in 2010, he was instrumental in Miami winning the MACC that year. Admittedly, I've only seen Dysert in person one time.
Good luck to the Broncos (except for October 27th) this year. I always enjoy the trip to Kalamazoo!
My only issue is that Carder making it to the MACC has more to do with our defense improving. Our offense is plenty good. Our defense hasn't held up it's end of the bargain since Shafer left 7 years ago.
Carder could very well prove to be the best QB and/or pro prospect in the MAC this year and not make it to Detroit. I'm willing to bet he holds up his end of the bargain, the other half is a crapshoot.
(07-17-2012 07:45 PM)EA3 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2012 05:37 PM)huskiebob Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2012 04:27 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote: [ -> ]I will argue that, Bob.
Carder is a better college QB. Whether or not that will translate to the pros is a different discussion. Dysert may have the edge there, don't really know what different pro teams look for.
We'll see this season when the two teams play.
I respect your (EA3 and you) opinions. And I would expect you'd be loyal to your guy. Just like I felt that Chandler Harnish was a better QB his junior and senior seasons than Dan Lefevour at that stage of his career. I'm sure most CMU fans would disagree.
Carder really needs to take his team to the MACC to validate himself. I'm somewhat of a skeptic based on what I've seen of him. Although Dysert got injured in Game 10 in 2010, he was instrumental in Miami winning the MACC that year. Admittedly, I've only seen Dysert in person one time.
Good luck to the Broncos (except for October 27th) this year. I always enjoy the trip to Kalamazoo!
My only issue is that Carder making it to the MACC has more to do with our defense improving. Our offense is plenty good. Our defense hasn't held up it's end of the bargain since Shafer left 7 years ago.
Carder could very well prove to be the best QB and/or pro prospect in the MAC this year and not make it to Detroit. I'm willing to bet he holds up his end of the bargain, the other half is a crapshoot.
I've only watched Carder a handful of games, but have mostly been impressed and respect him. I've been saying all along on here that because of Carder being a senior I expect the Broncos to finally get it done and win the MAC West. However I have the same complaint with Carder that I do with Dysert. At times both have tried to force the ball and can throw way to many interceptions. The opening drive vs Michigan last year Carder made them look silly. If I remember correctly, however, he lost the game to Illinois on a pick. He was careless vs Purdue, but showed poise vs UConn. I expect both Carder and Dysert to have grown and improved and have great senior years.
Who is a better "college" QB? Who knows, but to be fair Dysert has had no OLine or running game and is scrambling and getting sacked way to much. Carder has had the better supporting cast. Either way, in the end I think Dysert will have better chance at making it in the NFL but hope both do well.
Concerning Tettleton, he is good and may eventually as a senior be better than both Dysert and Carder but isn't there yet. He also had a great OLine and running game that took a lot of pressure off of him.
(07-17-2012 08:19 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2012 07:45 PM)EA3 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2012 05:37 PM)huskiebob Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2012 04:27 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote: [ -> ]I will argue that, Bob.
Carder is a better college QB. Whether or not that will translate to the pros is a different discussion. Dysert may have the edge there, don't really know what different pro teams look for.
We'll see this season when the two teams play.
I respect your (EA3 and you) opinions. And I would expect you'd be loyal to your guy. Just like I felt that Chandler Harnish was a better QB his junior and senior seasons than Dan Lefevour at that stage of his career. I'm sure most CMU fans would disagree.
Carder really needs to take his team to the MACC to validate himself. I'm somewhat of a skeptic based on what I've seen of him. Although Dysert got injured in Game 10 in 2010, he was instrumental in Miami winning the MACC that year. Admittedly, I've only seen Dysert in person one time.
Good luck to the Broncos (except for October 27th) this year. I always enjoy the trip to Kalamazoo!
My only issue is that Carder making it to the MACC has more to do with our defense improving. Our offense is plenty good. Our defense hasn't held up it's end of the bargain since Shafer left 7 years ago.
Carder could very well prove to be the best QB and/or pro prospect in the MAC this year and not make it to Detroit. I'm willing to bet he holds up his end of the bargain, the other half is a crapshoot.
I've only watched Carder a handful of games, but have mostly been impressed and respect him. I've been saying all along on here that because of Carder being a senior I expect the Broncos to finally get it done and win the MAC West. However I have the same complaint with Carder that I do with Dysert. At times both have tried to force the ball and can throw way to many interceptions. The opening drive vs Michigan last year Carder made them look silly. If I remember correctly, however, he lost the game to Illinois on a pick. He was careless vs Purdue, but showed poise vs UConn. I expect both Carder and Dysert to have grown and improved and have great senior years.
Who is a better "college" QB? Who knows, but to be fair Dysert has had no OLine or running game and is scrambling and getting sacked way to much. Carder has had the better supporting cast. Either way, in the end I think Dysert will have better chance at making it in the NFL but hope both do well.
Concerning Tettleton, he is good and may eventually as a senior be better than both Dysert and Carder but isn't there yet. He also had a great OLine and running game that took a lot of pressure off of him.
Pretty accurate right there. Honestly, I haven't seen dysert play enough to make a fair assessment. I would only be going on stats, and my obvious bias. It's certainly debatable, I wouldn't deny that.
I did notice that he got sacked over 40 times last yr, which was roughly twice as many times as carder.
LOL. Tyler Bray and EJ Manuel in the top 10 of any list of quarterbacks? Bray's upside might be Jimmy Clausen including all the stupidity and arrogance and Manuel still can't read a defense.
Dysert didn't put up any numbers against Toledo until Beckman started to substitute freely with the Rockets up 35-7 with about 6 minutes to go in the 2nd quarter. He ended up with 333 passing yds 2 TDs and 2 Ints.
On the other hand, Carder passed for about 550 yds and 7 TDs against
a banged up Rocket Defense that was missing a number of starters in a 66-63 loss for the Broncos.
(07-18-2012 09:42 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]Dysert didn't put up any numbers against Toledo until Beckman started to substitute freely with the Rockets up 35-7 with about 6 minutes to go in the 2nd quarter. He ended up with 333 passing yds 2 TDs and 2 Ints.
On the other hand, Carder passed for about 550 yds and 7 TDs against
a banged up Rocket Defense that was missing a number of starters in a 66-63 loss for the Broncos.
Tell me more about the "banged up Rocket Defense that was missing a number of starters in a 66-63 loss for the Broncos".
Because as far as I can tell, you lost Fatinikun 4 weeks earlier. He is a stud defensive end.
You also were missing your senior middle LB Rancifer.
That would be 2 starters that were out with injuries. I wonder how many other football teams were missing 2 starters on their defense during a November game???
(07-18-2012 10:18 AM)EA3 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-18-2012 09:42 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]Dysert didn't put up any numbers against Toledo until Beckman started to substitute freely with the Rockets up 35-7 with about 6 minutes to go in the 2nd quarter. He ended up with 333 passing yds 2 TDs and 2 Ints.
On the other hand, Carder passed for about 550 yds and 7 TDs against
a banged up Rocket Defense that was missing a number of starters in a 66-63 loss for the Broncos.
Tell me more about the "banged up Rocket Defense that was missing a number of starters in a 66-63 loss for the Broncos".
Because as far as I can tell, you lost Fatinikun 4 weeks earlier. He is a stud defensive end.
You also were missing your senior middle LB Rancifer.
That would be 2 starters that were out with injuries. I wonder how many other football teams were missing 2 starters on their defense during a November game???
Reminds me of this thread started on the Toledo Board:
Ten Things Worse Than the NIU Defense.
http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=524725
We know one for sure -
THE TOLEDO DEFENSE!
(07-18-2012 10:18 AM)EA3 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-18-2012 09:42 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]Dysert didn't put up any numbers against Toledo until Beckman started to substitute freely with the Rockets up 35-7 with about 6 minutes to go in the 2nd quarter. He ended up with 333 passing yds 2 TDs and 2 Ints.
On the other hand, Carder passed for about 550 yds and 7 TDs against
a banged up Rocket Defense that was missing a number of starters in a 66-63 loss for the Broncos.
Tell me more about the "banged up Rocket Defense that was missing a number of starters in a 66-63 loss for the Broncos".
Because as far as I can tell, you lost Fatinikun 4 weeks earlier. He is a stud defensive end.
You also were missing your senior middle LB Rancifer.
That would be 2 starters that were out with injuries. I wonder how many other football teams were missing 2 starters on their defense during a November game???
Singer, the starting Safety was out from early in the season. Marrow moved from CB to Safety for the WMU game and CB Suggs, a Freshman made his first College start. Paige, the other CB was badly hurt and really shouldn't have played if there was another CB that was ready.
(07-18-2012 11:42 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote: [ -> ] (07-18-2012 10:18 AM)EA3 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-18-2012 09:42 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]Dysert didn't put up any numbers against Toledo until Beckman started to substitute freely with the Rockets up 35-7 with about 6 minutes to go in the 2nd quarter. He ended up with 333 passing yds 2 TDs and 2 Ints.
On the other hand, Carder passed for about 550 yds and 7 TDs against
a banged up Rocket Defense that was missing a number of starters in a 66-63 loss for the Broncos.
Tell me more about the "banged up Rocket Defense that was missing a number of starters in a 66-63 loss for the Broncos".
Because as far as I can tell, you lost Fatinikun 4 weeks earlier. He is a stud defensive end.
You also were missing your senior middle LB Rancifer.
That would be 2 starters that were out with injuries. I wonder how many other football teams were missing 2 starters on their defense during a November game???
Singer, the starting Safety was out from early in the season. Marrow moved from CB to Safety for the WMU game and CB Suggs, a Freshman made his first College start. Paige, the other CB was badly hurt and really shouldn't have played if there was another CB that was ready.
Multiple things:
1. If your safety was out from early in the season...using that as an excuse for giving up so many points is ridiculous. You made it sound like Toledo was missing a "number of starters." That implies more than 2.
2. Paige had 9 tackles and was your 3rd leading tackler in that game. Don't refer to him as banged up. Every player on the field is banged up in November. He was "hurt", no different than everyone else who played.
3. Of your 23 leading tacklers on last years team, 16 of them recorded a tackle. The only notable exceptions were Rancifer (7th), and Fatinikun (16th). The others were Madison, Jones, Sylvester, Best and Bush. All 5 are probably in your 2 deep rotation at best. All in all, Toledo had 14 of its 16 best defenders (using tackles as a measurement) on the field. It's not like NIU banged them up so bad that 3 or more players had to sit out against WMU.
4. The injuries and position movt you've described are very common among football teams, especially in November. Making that statement downgrades Carder's performance against Toledo and its flat out wrong. You embelished the truth to lessen the sting of giving up 63 points...when in reality, you should just be gloating that you won the game.
Bob, take a look at some of the QBs who went ahead of Harnish in the draft last year. How many of them would you take Harnish over?
(07-18-2012 12:00 PM)EA3 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-18-2012 11:42 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote: [ -> ] (07-18-2012 10:18 AM)EA3 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-18-2012 09:42 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]Dysert didn't put up any numbers against Toledo until Beckman started to substitute freely with the Rockets up 35-7 with about 6 minutes to go in the 2nd quarter. He ended up with 333 passing yds 2 TDs and 2 Ints.
On the other hand, Carder passed for about 550 yds and 7 TDs against
a banged up Rocket Defense that was missing a number of starters in a 66-63 loss for the Broncos.
Tell me more about the "banged up Rocket Defense that was missing a number of starters in a 66-63 loss for the Broncos".
Because as far as I can tell, you lost Fatinikun 4 weeks earlier. He is a stud defensive end.
You also were missing your senior middle LB Rancifer.
That would be 2 starters that were out with injuries. I wonder how many other football teams were missing 2 starters on their defense during a November game???
Singer, the starting Safety was out from early in the season. Marrow moved from CB to Safety for the WMU game and CB Suggs, a Freshman made his first College start. Paige, the other CB was badly hurt and really shouldn't have played if there was another CB that was ready.
Multiple things:
1. If your safety was out from early in the season...using that as an excuse for giving up so many points is ridiculous. You made it sound like Toledo was missing a "number of starters." That implies more than 2.
2. Paige had 9 tackles and was your 3rd leading tackler in that game. Don't refer to him as banged up. Every player on the field is banged up in November. He was "hurt", no different than everyone else who played.
3. Of your 23 leading tacklers on last years team, 16 of them recorded a tackle. The only notable exceptions were Rancifer (7th), and Fatinikun (16th). The others were Madison, Jones, Sylvester, Best and Bush. All 5 are probably in your 2 deep rotation at best. All in all, Toledo had 14 of its 16 best defenders (using tackles as a measurement) on the field. It's not like NIU banged them up so bad that 3 or more players had to sit out against WMU.
4. The injuries and position movt you've described are very common among football teams, especially in November. Making that statement downgrades Carder's performance against Toledo and its flat out wrong. You embelished the truth to lessen the sting of giving up 63 points...when in reality, you should just be gloating that you won the game.
Using injuries as an excuse to giving up 126 points in back to back weeks is about as big of a stretch as you can make. Toledo was 94th in points against last year, their defense was just bad.
The Davey O'Brien award watch list has been released. Carder and Tettleton are on it. Dysert is not.
I don't understand the love for Dysert in this thread. Am I missing something? I'd take Carder over him every day of the week and twice on Sundays.