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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/col...5779.story

realignment seems to be a non issue...

Chances the irish brought up the conference they belong to in the discussions?

(07-09-2012 06:31 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote: [ -> ]Chances the irish brought up the conference they belong to in the discussions?

Somewhere between slim and none. When it comes to football, ND has no affiliation and ignores the Big East. Add to that that the ACC wants out of all the ACC/Big East bowl games (or at least wants the Big East out of them) and I really doubt the Big East can work even a conditional tie-in to the OB. In fact, I really doubt there will be any sort of even conditional tie-in for anyone other than ND.

(07-09-2012 05:59 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/col...5779.story

realignment seems to be a non issue...

To be fair the article states:

"That TigerIllustrated.com report brought about another hiccup of conference realignment chatter, given the relative instability of the Big East and how that affects the well-being of Notre Dame's non-football enterprises.

The Big 12 and the ACC have long been considered the most likely landing spots -- if Notre Dame relocates at all -- even though the ACC has been staunch to this point in demanding Notre Dame enter as an all-sports member. It's unclear if the topic has been revisited as an aside in the Orange Bowl talk."

Nobody has denied or confirmed that realignment talks even occurred. It's unlikely but it might of happened.

So what happens if ND is not eligible for the Orange Bowl in any given year...........does it become an At Large berth for some team totalling 4 AT Large berths amongst all the former BCS bowls?

Even if the OB chooses to leave its 2nd slot at-large in years when ND either had fewer than 9 wins or is in the top 4, that would make 3 at-large slots in those years. 12 slots total, 5 for the Big 5, 4 for semifinal teams, 2 at large, 1 either ND or at large if the OB does it that way.

(07-09-2012 07:58 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ]Even if the OB chooses to leave its 2nd slot at-large in years when ND either had fewer than 9 wins or is in the top 4, that would make 3 at-large slots in those years. 12 slots total, 5 for the Big 5, 4 for semifinal teams, 2 at large, 1 either ND or at large if the OB does it that way.

Not necessarily..... It'd hinge on the bowls that are hosting the semi-finals...

if Rose is hosting the semifinals for sake- the Big Ten and Pac 12 are NOT guaranteed a 2nd team in the BCS.

simple chart-
Rose hosting sf- 4 sf teams 3 big 5 teams(B12,SEC,ACC), 5 at large slots(note P12 and BTen champ guaranteed one if they aren't in SF)
Champ hosting sf- 4 sf teams, 3 big 5 teams(B10,P12,ACC), 5 at large slots(note B12 and SEC champs guaranteed in if they're not in sf)
Orange hosting sf- 4 sf teams, 4 big 5 teams(B10,P12,B12,SEC), 4 at large slots(note acc champ guaranteed in if they're not in sf)
none hosting sf- 4 sf teams, 5 big 5 teams, 3 at large slots

Well, for once, we don't have a lot of folks running around saying silence means ND is a done deal to the ACC, lol.

(07-09-2012 11:23 PM)TripleA Wrote: [ -> ]Well, for once, we don't have a lot of folks running around saying silence means ND is a done deal to the ACC, lol.

We found out last fall that you don't know what the ACC is doing until the night before the press conference.

There is little use in getting too invested in rumors.

(07-09-2012 05:59 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/col...5779.story

realignment seems to be a non issue...

The ACC is basically giving ND free money. It's nice of them, but I don't think it's going to work to get ND to join. ND is a vampire - not blaming them though when others offer themselves up so willingly.

(07-09-2012 11:05 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-09-2012 07:58 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ]Even if the OB chooses to leave its 2nd slot at-large in years when ND either had fewer than 9 wins or is in the top 4, that would make 3 at-large slots in those years. 12 slots total, 5 for the Big 5, 4 for semifinal teams, 2 at large, 1 either ND or at large if the OB does it that way.

Not necessarily..... It'd hinge on the bowls that are hosting the semi-finals...

if Rose is hosting the semifinals for sake- the Big Ten and Pac 12 are NOT guaranteed a 2nd team in the BCS.

simple chart-
Rose hosting sf- 4 sf teams 3 big 5 teams(B12,SEC,ACC), 5 at large slots(note P12 and BTen champ guaranteed one if they aren't in SF)
Champ hosting sf- 4 sf teams, 3 big 5 teams(B10,P12,ACC), 5 at large slots(note B12 and SEC champs guaranteed in if they're not in sf)
Orange hosting sf- 4 sf teams, 4 big 5 teams(B10,P12,B12,SEC), 4 at large slots(note acc champ guaranteed in if they're not in sf)
none hosting sf- 4 sf teams, 5 big 5 teams, 3 at large slots

pretty much the BE will still continue to hope ND doesn't take a bowl spot. If all true, there will be at least 2 at large openings every year?

(07-10-2012 10:07 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-09-2012 11:05 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-09-2012 07:58 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ]Even if the OB chooses to leave its 2nd slot at-large in years when ND either had fewer than 9 wins or is in the top 4, that would make 3 at-large slots in those years. 12 slots total, 5 for the Big 5, 4 for semifinal teams, 2 at large, 1 either ND or at large if the OB does it that way.

Not necessarily..... It'd hinge on the bowls that are hosting the semi-finals...

if Rose is hosting the semifinals for sake- the Big Ten and Pac 12 are NOT guaranteed a 2nd team in the BCS.

simple chart-
Rose hosting sf- 4 sf teams 3 big 5 teams(B12,SEC,ACC), 5 at large slots(note P12 and BTen champ guaranteed one if they aren't in SF)
Champ hosting sf- 4 sf teams, 3 big 5 teams(B10,P12,ACC), 5 at large slots(note B12 and SEC champs guaranteed in if they're not in sf)
Orange hosting sf- 4 sf teams, 4 big 5 teams(B10,P12,B12,SEC), 4 at large slots(note acc champ guaranteed in if they're not in sf)
none hosting sf- 4 sf teams, 5 big 5 teams, 3 at large slots

pretty much the BE will still continue to hope ND doesn't take a bowl spot. If all true, there will be at least 2 at large openings every year?

If ND doesn't take a spot, it'd be at least 3 at large openings every year. Could be as many as 5- but in those years, BE would be up against 2nd place teams from either Big Ten/Pac 12 or SEC/Big 12.. Might be the same difference.

(07-09-2012 11:05 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-09-2012 07:58 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ]Even if the OB chooses to leave its 2nd slot at-large in years when ND either had fewer than 9 wins or is in the top 4, that would make 3 at-large slots in those years. 12 slots total, 5 for the Big 5, 4 for semifinal teams, 2 at large, 1 either ND or at large if the OB does it that way.

Not necessarily..... It'd hinge on the bowls that are hosting the semi-finals...

if Rose is hosting the semifinals for sake- the Big Ten and Pac 12 are NOT guaranteed a 2nd team in the BCS.

simple chart-
Rose hosting sf- 4 sf teams 3 big 5 teams(B12,SEC,ACC), 5 at large slots(note P12 and BTen champ guaranteed one if they aren't in SF)
Champ hosting sf- 4 sf teams, 3 big 5 teams(B10,P12,ACC), 5 at large slots(note B12 and SEC champs guaranteed in if they're not in sf)
Orange hosting sf- 4 sf teams, 4 big 5 teams(B10,P12,B12,SEC), 4 at large slots(note acc champ guaranteed in if they're not in sf)
none hosting sf- 4 sf teams, 5 big 5 teams, 3 at large slots

That assumes the Big 5 leagues won't protect themselves when their "home bowl" is hosting a semifinal, but will just leave themselves at the mercy of the selection committee.

IMO a better assumption would be to assume that the Big 5 leagues will make an agreement with another bowl for those years, or do whatever else is necessary to protect their own interests. Don't assume they won't look out for themselves. They have proven that they know how to protect their own best interests.

(07-10-2012 10:17 AM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-09-2012 11:05 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-09-2012 07:58 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ]Even if the OB chooses to leave its 2nd slot at-large in years when ND either had fewer than 9 wins or is in the top 4, that would make 3 at-large slots in those years. 12 slots total, 5 for the Big 5, 4 for semifinal teams, 2 at large, 1 either ND or at large if the OB does it that way.

Not necessarily..... It'd hinge on the bowls that are hosting the semi-finals...

if Rose is hosting the semifinals for sake- the Big Ten and Pac 12 are NOT guaranteed a 2nd team in the BCS.

simple chart-
Rose hosting sf- 4 sf teams 3 big 5 teams(B12,SEC,ACC), 5 at large slots(note P12 and BTen champ guaranteed one if they aren't in SF)
Champ hosting sf- 4 sf teams, 3 big 5 teams(B10,P12,ACC), 5 at large slots(note B12 and SEC champs guaranteed in if they're not in sf)
Orange hosting sf- 4 sf teams, 4 big 5 teams(B10,P12,B12,SEC), 4 at large slots(note acc champ guaranteed in if they're not in sf)
none hosting sf- 4 sf teams, 5 big 5 teams, 3 at large slots

That assumes the Big 5 leagues won't protect themselves when their "home bowl" is hosting a semifinal, but will just leave themselves at the mercy of the selection committee.

IMO a better assumption would be to assume that the Big 5 leagues will make an agreement with another bowl for those years, or do whatever else is necessary to protect their own interests. Don't assume they won't look out for themselves. They have proven that they know how to protect their own best interests.

I think there would be some sort of firm ratings requirement on that. I mean- last year VT beats Clemson making playoffs. If say Orange was doing the SF- so ACC is out of their home bowl. Do you really think the BCS would want or allow a 4 loss unranked team in the access bowl? I don't. And- I think the other 4 conferences will be more than happy to give it a firm ratings requirement quite frankly- as 2nd place teams from their conferences aren't generally oustide the top 15-20 ever.

I wouldn't rule out something in between what both of you are saying.
I could see the bowls having a big 5 preference among teams in the top 12 for the at large births.
My thinking is the selection committee isn't going to have alot of work to do after picking the final 4 when its all said and done.

(07-10-2012 11:13 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't rule out something in between what both of you are saying.
I could see the bowls having a big 5 preference among teams in the top 12 for the at large births.
My thinking is the selection committee isn't going to have alot of work to do after picking the final 4 when its all said and done.

I don't think so. I think if Boise is 6 for instance, they're not going to lose out because there's big 5 teams available 11-12.

I think most years the selection of the bowl teams will be harder than the selection of the playoff teams quite frankly. I mean- last year for instance, there were some really weird teams that the selection committee would have had to choose from at the end.

(07-10-2012 09:49 AM)EERSFAN Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-09-2012 05:59 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/col...5779.story

realignment seems to be a non issue...

The ACC is basically giving ND free money. It's nice of them, but I don't think it's going to work to get ND to join. ND is a vampire - not blaming them though when others offer themselves up so willingly.

Or it means the ACC knows a 9 or 10 win Notre Dame team that is top 10 ranked is a great draw to any bowl & will get eyeballs locked onto their TV sets. Not an ND fan, just acknowledging the truth.

true, but I could see it getting slippery in 9-12 range if the bowls push for it.
Hopefully it won't be an option.

(07-10-2012 11:49 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote: [ -> ]true, but I could see it getting slippery in 9-12 range if the bowls push for it.
Hopefully it won't be an option.

thing is last year even worse case- Boise gets in
playoff- LSU,Alabama,Okla St, Oregon
rose- Wisconsin/Stanford
champions- Arkansas/Kansas St
Orange- Clemson/AL
access bowl-

teams left would have been Boise, South Carolina, Va Tech, Baylor, Michigan, Oklahoma- for 3 slots. I think Va Tech and Michigan are easy goners- their cpu ratings were 14.25 and 16. Oklahoma just had gotten crushed and weren't playing well at all. I think Boise gets in fairly easily, even with a selection committee...

agree, unless the conf/bowls squirrell their way in with affiliations or criteria.
None of it is finalized yet.