This is the APR Multi-year (last 4 years) rankings ending in 2010-2011:
Big East Football
Rutgers: 982
USF: 963
UCONN: 963
Pitt: 955
WVU: 953
Syracuse: 950
Cincinnati: 939
Louisville: 911
Huge improvement for USF.
(06-20-2012 08:19 PM)KnightLight Wrote: [ -> ]This is the APR Multi-year (last 4 years) rankings ending in 2010-2011:
Big East Football
Rutgers: 982
USF: 963
UCONN: 963
Pitt: 955
WVU: 953
Syracuse: 950
Cincinnati: 939
Louisville: 911
Kragthorpe was a complete joke. At least some coaches that suck as a coach can say they graduated players. That clown didn't get it done on the field or in the classroom. UofL had a 4 year APR of 869 from 2007-2010 so we lost 3 scholarships this past season due to him.
Strong is thankfully a completely different story. This past season the APR was 948. You can't change a 4 year average overnight but as we lose those Kraggy years in the average UofL should be back to a respectable level like you see the rest of the conference at.
(06-20-2012 10:35 PM)CollegeCard Wrote: [ -> ] (06-20-2012 08:19 PM)KnightLight Wrote: [ -> ]This is the APR Multi-year (last 4 years) rankings ending in 2010-2011:
Big East Football
Rutgers: 982
USF: 963
UCONN: 963
Pitt: 955
WVU: 953
Syracuse: 950
Cincinnati: 939
Louisville: 911
Kragthorpe was a complete joke. At least some coaches that suck as a coach can say they graduated players. That clown didn't get it done on the field or in the classroom. UofL had a 4 year APR of 869 from 2007-2010 so we lost 3 scholarships this past season due to him.
Strong is thankfully a completely different story. This past season the APR was 948. You can't change a 4 year average overnight but as we lose those Kraggy years in the average UofL should be back to a respectable level like you see the rest of the conference at.
No doubt the coaching staff in their selection of players deserves fault as you suggested...but so do AD's when a program's APR dips not only for one year...but for another...and another...and another.
Any team can end up with 2 bad years for various reasons...but 4 in a row is complete program breakdown...where an AD could have easily intervened after Year 1 or 2.
Sometimes its also interesting when coaches decide to jump ship...as many times...they short-changed the academic side of their equation for wins...then they jump ship for huge raises at other schools...while leaving a program behind in the dust (academically and/or even athletically).
Larry Eustachy jumped ship out of Southern Miss...and his multi-year APR scores was never higher than Year 1...which he had very little to do with that 4 year score:
2005: 946
2006: 906
2007: 891
2008: 881
2009: 890
2010: 910
2011: 922
As most know, APR scores doesn't have much to do with how tough the classwork is or even what major one is studying, as at some schools, the standards for admission and even learning are low, very low (as evidenced by all of the national media complaints thrown at Univ of Memphis and their President...who from the national story in The Chronicle, basically admitted a football player who couldn't read or write at a Junior High level, yet that player never missed a game at Memphis, even after failing multiple courses and never attending class).
The Education of Dasmine Cathey
http://chronicle.com/article/The-Educati...ey/132065/
Here's a ranking of the latest multi-year APR scores are for the teams that will be in the Big East in 2013:
Football:
Boise State 989
Rutgers: 982
UCF: 974
USF: 963
UCONN: 963
Temple: 959
SDSU: 949
SMU: 941
Cincinnati: 939
Memphis: 932
Houston: 926
Louisville: 911
I've noticed our APR has gotten worse as the program has gotten better (on field)....
(06-21-2012 08:05 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: [ -> ]I've noticed our APR has gotten worse as the program has gotten better (on field)....
There's a very good reason why coaches salaries and bonuses are much more tied to WINS than APR scores.
Most coaches do have small bonuses for academic performances but the salary increases/bonuses for very good to even great seasons on the field/on the court far outweigh what they could make if their players had much better academic performance.
We never have "good" recruiting classes, we just win a lot and get high APR's. Must be doing it wrong?
(06-21-2012 08:05 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: [ -> ]I've noticed our APR has gotten worse as the program has gotten better (on field)....
It hasn't worked that way for Memphis
(06-21-2012 10:23 AM)BroncoFan78 Wrote: [ -> ]We never have "good" recruiting classes, we just win a lot and get high APR's. Must be doing it wrong?
(06-21-2012 06:56 AM)KnightLight Wrote: [ -> ]Here's a ranking of the latest multi-year APR scores are for the teams that will be in the Big East in 2013:
Football:
Boise State 989
Rutgers: 982
UCF: 974
USF: 963
UCONN: 963
Temple: 959
SDSU: 949
SMU: 941
Cincinnati: 939
Memphis: 932
Houston: 926
Louisville: 911
A lot of people dawg Boise's academics. But at least our student athletes are getting it done in the class room!
BTW, 6 other Boise sports programs scored a perfect 1000 on the APR list.
(06-21-2012 06:09 AM)KnightLight Wrote: [ -> ] (06-20-2012 10:35 PM)CollegeCard Wrote: [ -> ] (06-20-2012 08:19 PM)KnightLight Wrote: [ -> ]This is the APR Multi-year (last 4 years) rankings ending in 2010-2011:
Big East Football
Rutgers: 982
USF: 963
UCONN: 963
Pitt: 955
WVU: 953
Syracuse: 950
Cincinnati: 939
Louisville: 911
Kragthorpe was a complete joke. At least some coaches that suck as a coach can say they graduated players. That clown didn't get it done on the field or in the classroom. UofL had a 4 year APR of 869 from 2007-2010 so we lost 3 scholarships this past season due to him.
Strong is thankfully a completely different story. This past season the APR was 948. You can't change a 4 year average overnight but as we lose those Kraggy years in the average UofL should be back to a respectable level like you see the rest of the conference at.
No doubt the coaching staff in their selection of players deserves fault as you suggested...but so do AD's when a program's APR dips not only for one year...but for another...and another...and another.
Any team can end up with 2 bad years for various reasons...but 4 in a row is complete program breakdown...where an AD could have easily intervened after Year 1 or 2.
The AD gets some of the blame, but I'd give it more for the hire itself than the ongoing aspect due to the nature of the APR. Where you can also give the AD blame would be if the academic assistance is lacking across the department and that is not the case here.
You can give all the academic help you want but if you recruit lazy borderline guys (and/or too many JUCO's) they may hack for a few years but don't end up graduating. Thus you get guys that Krags recruited who end up leaving and hurting the APR down the line, even after he's gone. It's not as if all of the poor recruiting choices all leave at once and then the APR is stellar after that. Once they are in the program you largely have to try and get them to run their course over the 4 years while staying eligible even if they leave. A few bad years of recruiting choices thus can hurt for quite a while.
Here's APR Football Rankings for all 120 Div I-A Teams:
2012 APR Football Rankings
1 Northwestern 995
2 Boise State 989
2 Duke 989
4 Ohio State 988
5 Northern Illinois 987
6 Rice 986
7 Clemson 983
7 Middle Tennessee 983
9 Rutgers 982
10 Air Force 980
10 Miami 980
12 Vanderbilt 978
13 Boston College 977
13 Stanford 977
15 Wisconsin 975
16 Georgia Tech 974
16 UCF 974
18 Navy 973
18 TCU 973
18 Wake Forest 973
21 Florida 972
21 Missouri 972
23 Kansas 971
23 Penn State 971
25 Oklahoma 970
25 Alabama 970
25 Army 970
25 Georgia 970
25 Notre Dame 970
30 Virginia Tech 968
31 Miami Univ. 967
31 Tulane 967
33 Nebraska 966
33 South Carolina 966
33 Utah 966
36 Indiana 964
36 LSU 964
38 Connecticut 963
38 South Florida 963
40 Toledo 960
41 Mississippi State 959
41 San Jose State 959
41 Temple 959
41 Utah State 959
45 Baylor 956
45 UCLA 956
47 Oregon State 955
47 Pittsburgh 955
49 Colorado State 954
49 Western Michigan 954
51 Illinois 953
51 UAB 953
51 West Virginia 953
54 East Carolina 952
55 Arizona 951
55 Bowling Green 951
55 Hawaii 951
55 Kentucky 951
55 Marshall 951
55 Western Kentucky 951
61 Purdue 950
61 Syracuse 950
63 Iowa 949
63 Nevada 949
63 Ohio 949
63 San Diego State 949
63 Washington 949
68 Fresno State 948
68 Arkansas State 948
68 Louisiana Lafayette 948
68 Oregon 948
72 UNLV 947
72 USC 947
74 Ball State 946
74 Louisiana Tech 946
74 Texas A&M 946
74 Texas Tech 946
78 Virginia 944
79 Kansas State 943
79 Michigan 943
79 North Carolina 943
79 Auburn 943
79 Michigan State 943
79 New Mexico 943
85 Central Michigan 941
85 SMU 941
87 Cincinnati 939
88 Colorado 938
88 Iowa State 938
88 North Texas 938
91 Arizona State 937
91 Florida State 937
91 Texas 937
94 Arkansas 936
94 California 936
94 Wyoming 936
97 Eastern Michigan 935
97 Kent State 935
99 Florida International 934
99 Idaho 934
101 Akron 933
101 Ole Miss 933
101 Washington State 933
104 BYU 932
104 Memphis 932
104 Minnesota 932
107 Maryland 931
107 NC State 931
107 Tennessee 931
110 Florida Atlantic 930
110 Southern Miss 930
110 Troy 930
113 Oklahoma State 928
114 Houston 926
115 Tulsa 925
116 Buffalo 923
117 New Mexico State 918
118 UL Monroe 917
119 UTEP 911
119 Louisville 911
Syracuse is lower while Boise is higher then I would have guessed.
The numbers for Cal, UVA and UNC area really embarrassing.