05-01-2004, 05:45 PM
05-01-2004, 06:21 PM
The Thugeyes are at it again
05-01-2004, 10:31 PM
Heh, I guess it isn't so great to be a Buckeye afterall. 
05-01-2004, 10:42 PM
Two Ohio State football players arrested
May 1, 2004
COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- Two Ohio State football players were arrested and charged with robbery Saturday after a student accused the two of assaulting and robbing him.
Coach Jim Tressel suspended the players, sophomores Louis Irizarry and Ira Guilford, indefinitely and said, ``It appears likely they could lose their privilege to play for Ohio State in 2004.''
Each was being held on one count of felony robbery at the Franklin County jail Saturday afternoon and likely would make court appearances Monday.
Kenneth Whitwell, 20, of Brecksville, an Ohio State student, reported that he was assaulted on campus at 3 a.m., according to police records. Police briefly searched the area and arrested the two players.
No other details about the assault were available.
Guilford, 18, a 6-foot, 190-pound tailback from Hoboken, N.J., played in five games last year, rushing for 68 yards on 28 carries. Irizarry, 19, a 6-5, 235-pound tight end from Youngstown, played in seven games, mostly on special teams.
``We are aware of the situation,'' Tressel said in a statement. ``We view it as very serious. We are looking into it aggressively to learn more about the facts.''
Updated on Saturday, May 1, 2004 7:09 pm EDT
05-01-2004, 10:52 PM
I believe they will be Sophomores next year.
05-02-2004, 12:58 AM
Wow! Are we sure we want to go up there and play those THUGS this fall? I mean, it might be kind of dangerous! We might get mugged!
Bulletin: The tosu suckeyes have a sleazy program full of criminals!!! Many of them have been in prison!!! This latest football episode is a reminder of the thug basketball players from the early 90s. Those suckeye basketball players pulled off car jackings and drive-by shootings. And, by drive-by, I don't mean shooting the basketball.
OSU a classy program? Get real!!!
Bulletin: The tosu suckeyes have a sleazy program full of criminals!!! Many of them have been in prison!!! This latest football episode is a reminder of the thug basketball players from the early 90s. Those suckeye basketball players pulled off car jackings and drive-by shootings. And, by drive-by, I don't mean shooting the basketball.
OSU a classy program? Get real!!!
05-03-2004, 09:34 AM
Not every school can have all of their athletes be stand up citizens and scholar athletes like the University of Cincinnati does. :rolleyes:
Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.
Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.
05-03-2004, 09:58 AM
Buckeye Stu--How's that tutoring going for Clarett?? Has he got his degree?
05-03-2004, 10:29 AM
Bearcatone - "full of criminals...many have been in prison"? Please provide names of those that have been in prison. I haven't been able to find any data on this.
05-03-2004, 10:31 AM
You missed the point BuckeyeStu,
Buckeye fans want to spout about what a outstanding all-around program they have where they have the best atheletes and the best students (and at the same time look down on other programs and their problems with an arrogant-smugness of "we never have those types of problems"). Then they roll out their quarterback/molecular biologist student to the media to prove to everyone how great their student-atheletes are (when really he's an exception rather than the rule). But this is also the program that tried to leave the door open for Maurice Clarett to come back despite all of his transgressions (legally and NCAA-elibility)...and you should also notice that in the Yahoo! story that Tressel chose his words very carefully: "It appears likely they could lose their privilege to play for Ohio State in 2004" which is code for "I'll bring them back if I don't have any better options...by late in the 2004 season at the earliest, next season at the latest".
If they can help the Buckeyes win, nothing else matters, does it? But that's not what the Columbus media outlets and OSU fans would have have you believe.
Buckeye fans want to spout about what a outstanding all-around program they have where they have the best atheletes and the best students (and at the same time look down on other programs and their problems with an arrogant-smugness of "we never have those types of problems"). Then they roll out their quarterback/molecular biologist student to the media to prove to everyone how great their student-atheletes are (when really he's an exception rather than the rule). But this is also the program that tried to leave the door open for Maurice Clarett to come back despite all of his transgressions (legally and NCAA-elibility)...and you should also notice that in the Yahoo! story that Tressel chose his words very carefully: "It appears likely they could lose their privilege to play for Ohio State in 2004" which is code for "I'll bring them back if I don't have any better options...by late in the 2004 season at the earliest, next season at the latest".
If they can help the Buckeyes win, nothing else matters, does it? But that's not what the Columbus media outlets and OSU fans would have have you believe.
05-03-2004, 11:19 AM
Andrew Lee- former buckeye football player arrested while at Ohio State for attacking a pizza delivery man at his dorm. He had multiple offenses under Cooper and was finally cut loose. After leaving OSU he raped and murdered a video store clerk and is now serving time.
05-03-2004, 12:37 PM
BuckeyeStu Wrote:Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.Exactly, Stu, and you should tell your AD that - the one who uses UC's thug reputation as an excuse for not playing them on the basketball court (not that I personally care whether or not we play OSU in basketball).
05-03-2004, 03:23 PM
Here's a list for ya Vinnie.
<a href='http://www.cracksmoker.com/NCAAF/NCAAF%20Ohio%20St.htm' target='_blank'>Famous Buckeye Jailbirds</a>
<a href='http://www.cracksmoker.com/NCAAF/NCAAF%20Ohio%20St.htm' target='_blank'>Famous Buckeye Jailbirds</a>
05-03-2004, 11:15 PM
"Buckeye fans want to spout about what a outstanding all-around program they have where they have the best atheletes and the best students"
-There is nothing wrong with fans being proud of their team. Sure some fans take it too far, but you'll have that at any school.
"(and at the same time look down on other programs and their problems with an arrogant-smugness of "we never have those types of problems")."
-Isn't that the same thing UC fans are doing with this thread?
"Then they roll out their quarterback/molecular biologist student to the media to prove to everyone how great their student-atheletes are (when really he's an exception rather than the rule)."
-Obviously he is the exception, not the rule. If every quarterback was a Molecular Bioligist then the media wouldn't have made a big deal about it. But football players getting arrested at tOSU is also the exception, not the rule. We have 85 players on scholarship, so for every 5 or 6 players that get in trouble every year, there is another 80 or so that don't.
"But this is also the program that tried to leave the door open for Maurice Clarett to come back despite all of his transgressions (legally and NCAA-elibility)..."
-How did the University try to leave the door open for Clarret? He was suspended for an entire season from the school, not the NCAA. Players with similiar violations at other schools had been given 2 or 3 game suspensions by the NCAA. tOSU went above and beyond the usual punishment.
"and you should also notice that in the Yahoo! story that Tressel chose his words very carefully: "It appears likely they could lose their privilege to play for Ohio State in 2004" which is code for "I'll bring them back if I don't have any better options...by late in the 2004 season at the earliest, next season at the latest"."
-No, that means there still hasn't been a trial and they can't be kicked off the team unless they are found guilty. They have been suspended from the team until their legal troubles are settled.
"If they can help the Buckeyes win, nothing else matters, does it? But that's not what the Columbus media outlets and OSU fans would have have you believe."
-As opposed to UC who prides itself on the academic accomplishments of it student athletes rather than on the field/court success? UC built their basketball program by sacraficing academics to get JUCO transfers and would do ANYTHING to have the same amout of football success that tOSU has had. I don't hold it against them either because winning is the most important thing in major college athletics.
-There is nothing wrong with fans being proud of their team. Sure some fans take it too far, but you'll have that at any school.
"(and at the same time look down on other programs and their problems with an arrogant-smugness of "we never have those types of problems")."
-Isn't that the same thing UC fans are doing with this thread?
"Then they roll out their quarterback/molecular biologist student to the media to prove to everyone how great their student-atheletes are (when really he's an exception rather than the rule)."
-Obviously he is the exception, not the rule. If every quarterback was a Molecular Bioligist then the media wouldn't have made a big deal about it. But football players getting arrested at tOSU is also the exception, not the rule. We have 85 players on scholarship, so for every 5 or 6 players that get in trouble every year, there is another 80 or so that don't.
"But this is also the program that tried to leave the door open for Maurice Clarett to come back despite all of his transgressions (legally and NCAA-elibility)..."
-How did the University try to leave the door open for Clarret? He was suspended for an entire season from the school, not the NCAA. Players with similiar violations at other schools had been given 2 or 3 game suspensions by the NCAA. tOSU went above and beyond the usual punishment.
"and you should also notice that in the Yahoo! story that Tressel chose his words very carefully: "It appears likely they could lose their privilege to play for Ohio State in 2004" which is code for "I'll bring them back if I don't have any better options...by late in the 2004 season at the earliest, next season at the latest"."
-No, that means there still hasn't been a trial and they can't be kicked off the team unless they are found guilty. They have been suspended from the team until their legal troubles are settled.
"If they can help the Buckeyes win, nothing else matters, does it? But that's not what the Columbus media outlets and OSU fans would have have you believe."
-As opposed to UC who prides itself on the academic accomplishments of it student athletes rather than on the field/court success? UC built their basketball program by sacraficing academics to get JUCO transfers and would do ANYTHING to have the same amout of football success that tOSU has had. I don't hold it against them either because winning is the most important thing in major college athletics.
05-04-2004, 08:22 AM
I get a kick out of Ohio State fans. They for so many years have been so QUICK to point out UC's problems with basketball players, now these fools get all defensive when people start to rag on them over all of the problems their football program has been having...They are just a bunch of hypocrites, if you can dish it out like you did to UC for all those years then you sure should be able to take it...
What have they had 8 players arrested in the last half year now? Is Reggie Arden still on the team by chance?
What have they had 8 players arrested in the last half year now? Is Reggie Arden still on the team by chance?
05-04-2004, 08:25 AM
The Cincinnati Post has two articles on OSU's recent legal problems (links are below):
<a href='http://www.cincypost.com/2004/05/04/osufoot05-04-2004.html' target='_blank'>AD: Don't blame Tressel</a>
<a href='http://www.cincypost.com/2004/05/04/osufootfax05-04-2004.html' target='_blank'>Legal trouble during Tressel era</a>
<a href='http://www.cincypost.com/2004/05/04/osufoot05-04-2004.html' target='_blank'>AD: Don't blame Tressel</a>
<a href='http://www.cincypost.com/2004/05/04/osufootfax05-04-2004.html' target='_blank'>Legal trouble during Tressel era</a>
05-04-2004, 08:41 AM
"-Isn't that the same thing UC fans are doing with this thread?"
Not me. Obviously I haven't been posting for a great deal of time, but I never try to downplay any of the issues that have occurred at UC. However, as BJUnklFkr points out, OSU has used the Bearcats "reputation" as one of the reasons to not play them in basketball...I guess the UC football team should take the high moral ground and announce they will no longer play the Buckeyes until they clean up their reputation.
"-Obviously he is the exception, not the rule. If every quarterback was a Molecular Bioligist then the media wouldn't have made a big deal about it. But football players getting arrested at tOSU is also the exception, not the rule. We have 85 players on scholarship, so for every 5 or 6 players that get in trouble every year, there is another 80 or so that don't."
Hey, I'm all for the players taking personal responsibility (i.e. it's the player's fault for getting in trouble, not the school or the coach). Just tell your AD to quit acting like OSU's s*it doesn't stink.
"-How did the University try to leave the door open for Clarret? He was suspended for an entire season from the school, not the NCAA. Players with similiar violations at other schools had been given 2 or 3 game suspensions by the NCAA. tOSU went above and beyond the usual punishment."
Easy...Tressel continued to make statements that Clarrett was welcome back for the '04 season even after all of the crap fell out with him. And they didn't play him last year for fear that there was alot more to the relationship between him and the "friend" he was covering for when he lied to investigators. OSU feared that any games Clarrett played in during 2003 could result in a later forfeit if the NCAA found that he was not eligible to play (and thus repaying bowl money if he played in a bowl game), not some high-moral-standard of OSU's. If the NCAA would have said, "Hey, we don't know what he has done, but we promise not to make you payback any bowl money or forfeit any games...but we're still investigating Clarrett and he may be kicked out of the NCAA for stuff he did prior to the 2003 season" I don't think OSU would have gone "above and beyond the usual punishment."
"-No, that means there still hasn't been a trial and they can't be kicked off the team unless they are found guilty. They have been suspended from the team until their legal troubles are settled."
That's funny. If a coach says, "If all this is true, they are gone" then I believe your statement. But Tressel says "It appears LIKELY that they COULD lose their privelage to play in 2004." The words "likely" and "could" inject doubt, and the fact that he specifically said "in 2004" seems to mean that even if all of this is true, maybe next year, as long as they're not in jail. I don't have a problem at all if a coach wants to let things play out legally...just spare me the coach-speak.
"-As opposed to UC who prides itself on the academic accomplishments of it student athletes rather than on the field/court success? UC built their basketball program by sacraficing academics to get JUCO transfers and would do ANYTHING to have the same amout of football success that tOSU has had. I don't hold it against them either because winning is the most important thing in major college athletics."
First...the same smug-attitude that you have to 'sacrifice academics to get JUCO transfers' is exactly that issue I have with OSU. That's perception...their are a list of reasons that a kid goes JUCO...academics only being one of them. But OSU is too good to dirty itself with JUCO kids...which actually isn't true, but that's what fans convice themselves of. 2nd, the idea that we would do anything to get OSUs success is partially true, but I don't think Goin and Dantonio would do 'anything'. And lastly, if it is true that winning is the only thing, why doesn't OSU play the best college basketball team in the state to get better? It wouldn't benefit UC that much, but it would be fun to play another in-state school. Yet OSU AD rolls out that arrogant line about reputation when it's convenient (i.e. when they know another in-state program would dominate them) but don't hold themselves to the same standard. Smells like hypocrites to me.
Not me. Obviously I haven't been posting for a great deal of time, but I never try to downplay any of the issues that have occurred at UC. However, as BJUnklFkr points out, OSU has used the Bearcats "reputation" as one of the reasons to not play them in basketball...I guess the UC football team should take the high moral ground and announce they will no longer play the Buckeyes until they clean up their reputation.
"-Obviously he is the exception, not the rule. If every quarterback was a Molecular Bioligist then the media wouldn't have made a big deal about it. But football players getting arrested at tOSU is also the exception, not the rule. We have 85 players on scholarship, so for every 5 or 6 players that get in trouble every year, there is another 80 or so that don't."
Hey, I'm all for the players taking personal responsibility (i.e. it's the player's fault for getting in trouble, not the school or the coach). Just tell your AD to quit acting like OSU's s*it doesn't stink.
"-How did the University try to leave the door open for Clarret? He was suspended for an entire season from the school, not the NCAA. Players with similiar violations at other schools had been given 2 or 3 game suspensions by the NCAA. tOSU went above and beyond the usual punishment."
Easy...Tressel continued to make statements that Clarrett was welcome back for the '04 season even after all of the crap fell out with him. And they didn't play him last year for fear that there was alot more to the relationship between him and the "friend" he was covering for when he lied to investigators. OSU feared that any games Clarrett played in during 2003 could result in a later forfeit if the NCAA found that he was not eligible to play (and thus repaying bowl money if he played in a bowl game), not some high-moral-standard of OSU's. If the NCAA would have said, "Hey, we don't know what he has done, but we promise not to make you payback any bowl money or forfeit any games...but we're still investigating Clarrett and he may be kicked out of the NCAA for stuff he did prior to the 2003 season" I don't think OSU would have gone "above and beyond the usual punishment."
"-No, that means there still hasn't been a trial and they can't be kicked off the team unless they are found guilty. They have been suspended from the team until their legal troubles are settled."
That's funny. If a coach says, "If all this is true, they are gone" then I believe your statement. But Tressel says "It appears LIKELY that they COULD lose their privelage to play in 2004." The words "likely" and "could" inject doubt, and the fact that he specifically said "in 2004" seems to mean that even if all of this is true, maybe next year, as long as they're not in jail. I don't have a problem at all if a coach wants to let things play out legally...just spare me the coach-speak.
"-As opposed to UC who prides itself on the academic accomplishments of it student athletes rather than on the field/court success? UC built their basketball program by sacraficing academics to get JUCO transfers and would do ANYTHING to have the same amout of football success that tOSU has had. I don't hold it against them either because winning is the most important thing in major college athletics."
First...the same smug-attitude that you have to 'sacrifice academics to get JUCO transfers' is exactly that issue I have with OSU. That's perception...their are a list of reasons that a kid goes JUCO...academics only being one of them. But OSU is too good to dirty itself with JUCO kids...which actually isn't true, but that's what fans convice themselves of. 2nd, the idea that we would do anything to get OSUs success is partially true, but I don't think Goin and Dantonio would do 'anything'. And lastly, if it is true that winning is the only thing, why doesn't OSU play the best college basketball team in the state to get better? It wouldn't benefit UC that much, but it would be fun to play another in-state school. Yet OSU AD rolls out that arrogant line about reputation when it's convenient (i.e. when they know another in-state program would dominate them) but don't hold themselves to the same standard. Smells like hypocrites to me.
05-04-2004, 01:17 PM
...and Marcus called OSU fans defensive?
05-04-2004, 02:02 PM
Just replying to BuckeyeStu's points, vinnie. And I don't think I or anyone else was being defensive...just pointing out Buckeye-hypocrisy.
05-04-2004, 03:53 PM
Look at those pretty OSU bracelets Ira's wearing...oh wait those are handcuffs...my bad. 