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CMU's new coach has brought in 6 guys. It's May. That's 6 guys for 2012 class. Keep in mind he's stuck with these guys for the next 4 years. I believe he has more scholarships to give. As much as they hated EZ up there, I think Keno is going to lay an egg that will make EZ seem like John Wooden. I firmly believe CMU would have been the team to beat in the West had they kept EZ and son around another year. As it stands they are decimated and have added 6 players THAT NOBODY ELSE WANTED.

My prediction. CMU does not win a single MAC game next year.

Keno should have brought in 3 or 4 guys max and taken his medicine in the short term. Use walkons to fill out his roster and saved 2 or 3 scholarships for 2013 when he could recruit some quality talent and build a program. As it stands, outside of Simon he's building a program with absolute garbage, and as stated, he's stuck with them for 4 years.

Did you miss the MAC tournament last year?

Going 10-20 (6-10) and "winning" the MAC West because everyone sucks ass gets you a 7 seed in that scenario.

And hell, with Ziegler they haven't had a guy for four years in who knows how long, so there's clearly no guarantee they'll have these guys for four years.

One new cmu player is a one and done guy.

I 100% agree with you chipdip.

(05-16-2012 06:16 AM)BrianPersky Wrote: [ -> ]I 100% agree with you chipdip.

There is no way CMU would have been the team to beat in the west if EZ was still around. Toledo would hand them their lunch, and EMU most likely as well. And it's not like it would be a slam dunk for them to beat Ball St or NIU.

3 years for keno at cmu. It won't be pretty next year. Simon should transfer now.

I dont know if Davis is right or wrong.

Clearly at this time of year you are only going get leftovers or overlooks.

I cant remember the name of the PG that Kent picked up in August several years ago from a JC but the kid was POY and helped lead the Flashers to a MAC title.

Considering the depletion of the roster, you need to fill it up with kids who can fill out spots. Likely no stars (see KSU reference) but you need bodies who can play some to at least practice competitively.

I'm not concerned with teams outside of WMU. There is talent coming in, albeit freshman. There are some returning with potential. For me it has always been Hawk being able to make the kids better and playing to win.

In a 4 yr cycle improvement is going to happen with maturity. But I havent seen anyone truly develop as one would think with incoming talent and 4 years of experience. We'll never know what DL could have done with a 5th year. DW told to stretch more and lift less, DD being left at the wing and told to develop handles.

This of course doesnt touch the topic of Hawk and in game decisions with pre game planning. Not to stray from the topic at hand.

We'll see if Davis's plan works.

I'm sure he'll have plenty of 'ships for a talented '13 class. Remember there is only 1 ball with 5 sets of hands. You just need 3 kids to count for O, a glue guy and someone who can defend the paint. Fill in a kid or two and you can scheme and pull it out more often than not.

Let me clarify by just saying that I agree with everything chipdip said about Keno Davis and how worthless of a coach he is. I completely agree.

I just re-posted my blog "MAC Men’s Basketball Coaching Changes, Transfers, and Graduation; What Does It All Mean for the Broncos?" on Saddle Up, Fight On http://www.saddleupfighton.com/2012/05/m...anges.html

The blog briefly hits on that AND CMU's program in general. This isn't the first time in recent years that their administration has made a questionable hire... <cough, cough> Dan Enos! <cough>

(05-16-2012 05:53 PM)BrianPersky Wrote: [ -> ]Let me clarify by just saying that I agree with everything chipdip said about Keno Davis and how worthless of a coach he is. I completely agree.

I just re-posted my blog "MAC Men’s Basketball Coaching Changes, Transfers, and Graduation; What Does It All Mean for the Broncos?" on Saddle Up, Fight On http://www.saddleupfighton.com/2012/05/m...anges.html

The blog briefly hits on that AND CMU's program in general. This isn't the first time in recent years that their administration has made a questionable hire... <cough, cough> Dan Enos! <cough>

Davis had two decent years at Drake winning the MVC his last year. He did so without any "stars".

He put a premium on shooting, shooting often, shooting from afar and with reasonable accuracy.

That takes skill. It is also appealing to HS kids envisioning themselves succeeding in D1.

I suspect he will have some success recruiting in Michigan. It takes 3 kids who can score, he usually emphasizes it from the perimeter and it won't take much to find a couple bruisers who will be happy to get minutes chasing down carooms. Beilen light.

I understand what went down in Rhode Island. Inherited some bad apples, brought in a couple youngins who were more followers than leaders and the program went rotten to the core in 3 years.

Not good but not a career ender.

All reports are Simons is a player. That is one kid who will be asked to score some. Being a true 4 then you can get a 2 and 3 to fill out your O and kid at PG who will manage the O and not allow his counter to turn the corner. Now your just 1 bruiser away.

It wont be pleasant in the mount on year 1 and possibly 2. But expect an uptick in year 2 and some noise come year 3.

Online Keno's bio shows he was HC only one year at Drake. Those were daddy's recruits and team.

GB

Quote:It wont be pleasant in the mount on year 1 and possibly 2. But expect an uptick in year 2 and some noise come year 3.

I don't see it period unless he's really scored some hidden gems.

When you bring guys on board in May for 2012 you're taking guys who were never near the top of anyone's boards. Simon is the only legit recruit in the bunch, and I've heard he plays soft.

Other than Simon he really has no scorers in this bunch.

DeAndrey Buckley- Played his high school ball at Romulus, did a stint at junior college, then played a year at New Hampshire where he averaged 2.8 ppg.

Mike Lang- 6'8" 220. Had an offer from Minot State :domokun:

Quote:"It wasn't that tough of a decision. CMU has everything that a person can ask for in regards to academics, a good basketball program

CMU basketball is a ten year train wreck. Translated: No one wanted me, thank God these dopes do.

Derrick (D.J.) Richardson- Richardson played in 17 games for Ypsi High and averaged 9.0 points per game, 3.0 assists per game.

Austin Stewart- a 6-foot-4, 185-pound wing from Normal (Ill.) Community West. Stewart had offers from CMU, along with Parkland and St. Francis (Ill.). He also had interest from Bellarmine, Illinois Wesleyan, Quincy.

Chris Fowler- a 6-foot-0 point guard from IMG Academy who was a Detroit Country Day graduate in 2011. At Country Day, Fowler averaged 7.1.

Quote:Fowler had interest from FIU, Mississippi State, Tulsa and UC-Irvine, along with several Division 2 schools

But not enough interest to garner an offer from them...................

Blake Hibbitts- 6-foot-7, 190-pound Hudsonville (Mich.) forward. Hibbitts has signed his Letter of Intent to go to Samford University to play basketball and baseball, but the Bulldogs changed head coaches in their basketball program and he opted not to go there. No stats available.
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Outside of Simon who has some street cred (but nothing exceptional), the rest of these players are a collection of drifters searching for a D-1 offer. If CMU doesn't offer I'm thinking the majority of them either end up at a DII school or out looking for a job. Considering how little talent we may be looking at here and how half his roster will be made up of not only these guys but a few others on the roster who simply aren't very talented, this could be three years of some of the worst bball the MAC has seen since the late Leonard Drake led the Chips to an 0-18 season.

I stand by what I said. I don't think the Chips win a single MAC game in 2012.

(05-16-2012 08:28 PM)okgc Wrote: [ -> ]Online Keno's bio shows he was HC only one year at Drake. Those were daddy's recruits and team.

I then stand corrected on the # of years as HC at Drake.

However, to imply that his success as HC is "less than" because you say they werent his players is tepid at best. Who was the the #1 asst. who likely had a significant hand in recruiting them and coaching them up?

You could argue that going into his first year as HC might be suspect because he hadnt been a HC at that level before holds some weight.

The fact is, in that year, as the HC, he did coach them up well enough to win a much tougher conference than the MAC.

Now going into CMU he doesnt have the time put in with this set of personnel. So yes, they will struggle for about 2 years. But I suspect he will be able to get a handful of decent offensive players who will begin to mesh some in year 3 where they could start to make some noise.

I am not hoping so but I don't see Davis as shlub as some incorrectly do.

GBL maybe drinking to much Casino water.

Hard to quibble with being the HC of the MVC champion. You can construct the circumstances any way you'd like.

Yup, I'm a chimp fan.

(05-17-2012 07:28 PM)gobaseline Wrote: [ -> ]Hard to quibble with being the HC of the MVC champion. You can construct the circumstances any way you'd like.

Yup, I'm a chimp fan.

The MVC is a 1/2 notch above the MAC. Please. It was his dad's team. He has proven absolutely nothing as a head coach.

(05-17-2012 08:20 PM)BrianPersky Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-17-2012 07:28 PM)gobaseline Wrote: [ -> ]Hard to quibble with being the HC of the MVC champion. You can construct the circumstances any way you'd like.

Yup, I'm a chimp fan.

The MVC is a 1/2 notch above the MAC. Please. It was his dad's team. He has proven absolutely nothing as a head coach.

Please? No thank you.
So Creighton's MVC season is too a wash because the Dad used the son?

Davis recruited many of those kids, coached them up and they won a league at least a full notch better than the MAC. The Doctor was just house sitting and warming the seat. That was Keno's team and they won.

Now I have no desire to see him succeed or at least not be more successful than WMU. But to state he cant coach when there is black and white evidence to the contrary you lose any credibility.

(05-17-2012 09:39 PM)gobaseline Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-17-2012 08:20 PM)BrianPersky Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-17-2012 07:28 PM)gobaseline Wrote: [ -> ]Hard to quibble with being the HC of the MVC champion. You can construct the circumstances any way you'd like.

Yup, I'm a chimp fan.

The MVC is a 1/2 notch above the MAC. Please. It was his dad's team. He has proven absolutely nothing as a head coach.

Please? No thank you.
So Creighton's MVC season is too a wash because the Dad used the son?

Davis recruited many of those kids, coached them up and they won a league at least a full notch better than the MAC. The Doctor was just house sitting and warming the seat. That was Keno's team and they won.

Now I have no desire to see him succeed or at least not be more successful than WMU. But to state he cant coach when there is black and white evidence to the contrary you lose any credibility.

I agree. However, the most recent data from when he was at Providence is not a resume gem. The occurrences seem to negate any good things that happened at Drake.

At best, it would be a questionable hire.

(05-17-2012 09:39 PM)gobaseline Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-17-2012 08:20 PM)BrianPersky Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-17-2012 07:28 PM)gobaseline Wrote: [ -> ]Hard to quibble with being the HC of the MVC champion. You can construct the circumstances any way you'd like.

Yup, I'm a chimp fan.

The MVC is a 1/2 notch above the MAC. Please. It was his dad's team. He has proven absolutely nothing as a head coach.

Please? No thank you.
So Creighton's MVC season is too a wash because the Dad used the son?

Davis recruited many of those kids, coached them up and they won a league at least a full notch better than the MAC. The Doctor was just house sitting and warming the seat. That was Keno's team and they won.

Now I have no desire to see him succeed or at least not be more successful than WMU. But to state he cant coach when there is black and white evidence to the contrary you lose any credibility.

My point is that he hasn't proven anything. He had one good season with a mid-major school. If he was such a great recruiter, then why did half of his recruits at Providence de-commit and leave his program? Providence finished 7th, 14th, and 15th in his time there and then he got fired. Some coach (and recruiter) he must be. Everyone else on this thread is right. He's recruited a handful of bench warmers that nobody else wanted, in order to fill roster spots.

(05-17-2012 09:39 PM)gobaseline Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-17-2012 08:20 PM)BrianPersky Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-17-2012 07:28 PM)gobaseline Wrote: [ -> ]Hard to quibble with being the HC of the MVC champion. You can construct the circumstances any way you'd like.

Yup, I'm a chimp fan.

The MVC is a 1/2 notch above the MAC. Please. It was his dad's team. He has proven absolutely nothing as a head coach.

Please? No thank you.
So Creighton's MVC season is too a wash because the Dad used the son?

Davis recruited many of those kids, coached them up and they won a league at least a full notch better than the MAC. The Doctor was just house sitting and warming the seat. That was Keno's team and they won.

Now I have no desire to see him succeed or at least not be more successful than WMU. But to state he cant coach when there is black and white evidence to the contrary you lose any credibility.

MVC was 8th in conference RPI that year.

MAC was 12th.

That was the weakest MVC season in recent memory. Southern Illinois was in free-fall mode, Northern Iowa wasn't quite there yet, and Creighton was in a rebuilding year. Only Illinois State gave Drake any trouble, and they never really had a good at-large case. They were just like the MAC that season: A one-bid league.

I think the job Davis did at Providence, with a larger sample size, says more about the coach he is than when he won at Drake. It is well-chronicled, and if you're curious, dig up the thread over on our board. Some pretty nasty stuff at PC.

The guys is in a no win situation. Ernie didn't recruit chit for 2012. Maybe he knew he was on his way out. Then you throw in his two best players leaving and another one graduating.

He's forced to fill his roster in May, long after the quality talent has already been signed and delivered. Now he's stuck having to develop subpar talent. Taking this job could be a career killer. He might have been better off taking an assistants job with a solid program and rebuilding his resume there. If he has three disasterous seasons at CMU (which I think he will) he'll never get another shot as a HC again.

Sound a lot like Hawks resume except Hawk didn't get the Depaul job after winning the MAC.