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http://wvgazette.com/Sports/Marshall/201205130123

Quote: In realignment follies, it seems Old Dominion is balancing its desire to go to Conference USA with that of staying eligible for the 2012 FCS playoffs. That is leading, several reports say, to a delay of ODU's announcement until June.

That also gives the school more time to line up its donors and, one hopes, educate the local media a little. Stories and columns harp on the additional expenses, but neglect to mention the certain sizable increase in revenues from the Colonial Athletic Association.

(The aforementioned Steele has assured me, in every inquiry I have made, that Marshall's increased travel bill has been outpaced by the increase in TV revenue every year since the move from the MAC.)

Meanwhile, Middle Tennessee is making a last-ditch run to be member No. 14 (even without a beach, I'm starting to like that better.) Appalachian State is talking with C-USA, not the Sun Belt, for its climb to the FBS.

The southernmost Mountaineers would enter the league as the second most scenic venue in the league (El Paso's Sun Bowl leads, by far). I think they would have good support from MU, North Carolina-Charlotte, East Carolina and Old Dominion.

Which may overcome ASU's stigma of the miniscule Boone "market." Stay tuned.

Thought you guys might find this interesting.

I really believe the source of that article is from the update from Charlie Cobb that was sent last week to App fans. There have been several "reports" based on that letter that took that spin from his letter. I think it fair to say that App State (don't want to be confused with the SBC's ASU) pursued CUSA thru our sister instituion ECU (and likely still is). However, nothing in the letter specifically stated that we hadn't had discussions with the Sun Belt. It seems some of the reporting done about this is not original and writers are just piecing together what they find/share from blogs.

With VCU joining the A10, it appears likely that OCU will depart the CAA for CUSA. I would think our chances at CUSA have diminished to near zero, unless CUSA decides to expand further. Like most pro-FBS App fans, I would prefer we focus our energy on the SBC. The last month or so has certainly been a roller coaster ride.

(05-14-2012 12:20 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote: [ -> ]http://wvgazette.com/Sports/Marshall/201205130123

Quote: In realignment follies, it seems Old Dominion is balancing its desire to go to Conference USA with that of staying eligible for the 2012 FCS playoffs. That is leading, several reports say, to a delay of ODU's announcement until June.

That also gives the school more time to line up its donors and, one hopes, educate the local media a little. Stories and columns harp on the additional expenses, but neglect to mention the certain sizable increase in revenues from the Colonial Athletic Association.

(The aforementioned Steele has assured me, in every inquiry I have made, that Marshall's increased travel bill has been outpaced by the increase in TV revenue every year since the move from the MAC.)

Meanwhile, Middle Tennessee is making a last-ditch run to be member No. 14 (even without a beach, I'm starting to like that better.) Appalachian State is talking with C-USA, not the Sun Belt, for its climb to the FBS.

The southernmost Mountaineers would enter the league as the second most scenic venue in the league (El Paso's Sun Bowl leads, by far). I think they would have good support from MU, North Carolina-Charlotte, East Carolina and Old Dominion.

Which may overcome ASU's stigma of the miniscule Boone "market." Stay tuned.

Thought you guys might find this interesting.

I have a hard time believing that CUSA which has shown that they add based on market alone will give App State a chance. If they do it would be completely uncharacteristic of the moves that they are making at this point. Otherwise, why wouldn't they have added solid football schools instead of startups in large market areas.

(05-14-2012 12:29 PM)tw_fatcat Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-14-2012 12:20 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote: [ -> ]http://wvgazette.com/Sports/Marshall/201205130123

Quote: In realignment follies, it seems Old Dominion is balancing its desire to go to Conference USA with that of staying eligible for the 2012 FCS playoffs. That is leading, several reports say, to a delay of ODU's announcement until June.

That also gives the school more time to line up its donors and, one hopes, educate the local media a little. Stories and columns harp on the additional expenses, but neglect to mention the certain sizable increase in revenues from the Colonial Athletic Association.

(The aforementioned Steele has assured me, in every inquiry I have made, that Marshall's increased travel bill has been outpaced by the increase in TV revenue every year since the move from the MAC.)

Meanwhile, Middle Tennessee is making a last-ditch run to be member No. 14 (even without a beach, I'm starting to like that better.) Appalachian State is talking with C-USA, not the Sun Belt, for its climb to the FBS.

The southernmost Mountaineers would enter the league as the second most scenic venue in the league (El Paso's Sun Bowl leads, by far). I think they would have good support from MU, North Carolina-Charlotte, East Carolina and Old Dominion.

Which may overcome ASU's stigma of the miniscule Boone "market." Stay tuned.

Thought you guys might find this interesting.

I have a hard time believing that CUSA which has shown that they add based on market alone will give App State a chance. If they do it would be completely uncharacteristic of the moves that they are making at this point. Otherwise, why wouldn't they have added solid football schools instead of startups in large market areas.

I think stay tuned is the best thing out of that article.......if ECU stays we do not get a CUSA invite, unless they push for it.

ECU leaves we get an invite as a replacement.

(05-14-2012 12:32 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-14-2012 12:29 PM)tw_fatcat Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-14-2012 12:20 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote: [ -> ]http://wvgazette.com/Sports/Marshall/201205130123

Quote: In realignment follies, it seems Old Dominion is balancing its desire to go to Conference USA with that of staying eligible for the 2012 FCS playoffs. That is leading, several reports say, to a delay of ODU's announcement until June.

That also gives the school more time to line up its donors and, one hopes, educate the local media a little. Stories and columns harp on the additional expenses, but neglect to mention the certain sizable increase in revenues from the Colonial Athletic Association.

(The aforementioned Steele has assured me, in every inquiry I have made, that Marshall's increased travel bill has been outpaced by the increase in TV revenue every year since the move from the MAC.)

Meanwhile, Middle Tennessee is making a last-ditch run to be member No. 14 (even without a beach, I'm starting to like that better.) Appalachian State is talking with C-USA, not the Sun Belt, for its climb to the FBS.

The southernmost Mountaineers would enter the league as the second most scenic venue in the league (El Paso's Sun Bowl leads, by far). I think they would have good support from MU, North Carolina-Charlotte, East Carolina and Old Dominion.

Which may overcome ASU's stigma of the miniscule Boone "market." Stay tuned.

Thought you guys might find this interesting.

I have a hard time believing that CUSA which has shown that they add based on market alone will give App State a chance. If they do it would be completely uncharacteristic of the moves that they are making at this point. Otherwise, why wouldn't they have added solid football schools instead of startups in large market areas.

I think stay tuned is the best thing out of that article.......if ECU stays we do not get a CUSA invite, unless they push for it.

ECU leaves we get an invite as a replacement.

Or would they go after Georgia Southern or another school with a large market.

I think they would be smart, just as the Belt would be, to go after App State. Solid football, solid following, and honestly would garner more national attention over time but it's CUSA and they care only where your school is at. It is ridiculous and I hope the best for you but their plan makes me sick. They may not be pushing and making these changes happen but CUSA is without a doubt going about this in the most ridiculous manner of all the conferences.

(05-14-2012 12:32 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-14-2012 12:29 PM)tw_fatcat Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-14-2012 12:20 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote: [ -> ]http://wvgazette.com/Sports/Marshall/201205130123

Quote: In realignment follies, it seems Old Dominion is balancing its desire to go to Conference USA with that of staying eligible for the 2012 FCS playoffs. That is leading, several reports say, to a delay of ODU's announcement until June.

That also gives the school more time to line up its donors and, one hopes, educate the local media a little. Stories and columns harp on the additional expenses, but neglect to mention the certain sizable increase in revenues from the Colonial Athletic Association.

(The aforementioned Steele has assured me, in every inquiry I have made, that Marshall's increased travel bill has been outpaced by the increase in TV revenue every year since the move from the MAC.)

Meanwhile, Middle Tennessee is making a last-ditch run to be member No. 14 (even without a beach, I'm starting to like that better.) Appalachian State is talking with C-USA, not the Sun Belt, for its climb to the FBS.

The southernmost Mountaineers would enter the league as the second most scenic venue in the league (El Paso's Sun Bowl leads, by far). I think they would have good support from MU, North Carolina-Charlotte, East Carolina and Old Dominion.

Which may overcome ASU's stigma of the miniscule Boone "market." Stay tuned.

Thought you guys might find this interesting.

I have a hard time believing that CUSA which has shown that they add based on market alone will give App State a chance. If they do it would be completely uncharacteristic of the moves that they are making at this point. Otherwise, why wouldn't they have added solid football schools instead of startups in large market areas.

I think stay tuned is the best thing out of that article.......if ECU stays we do not get a CUSA invite, unless they push for it.

ECU leaves we get an invite as a replacement.

If ECU leaves I have 0 desire for App to be in the conference. The SBC is a much better option, even with ECU.

App State is a home-run for the Sun Belt....but for CUSA it's not. If CUSA took App State I would be very surprised that they would give a slot to another NC school. Maybe they will for political reasons or something, but it sure doesn't make much sense.

Western Kentucky, MTSU, Arkansas State, Georgia State makes a lot more sense to me.

(05-14-2012 12:35 PM)tw_fatcat Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-14-2012 12:32 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-14-2012 12:29 PM)tw_fatcat Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-14-2012 12:20 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote: [ -> ]http://wvgazette.com/Sports/Marshall/201205130123

Quote: In realignment follies, it seems Old Dominion is balancing its desire to go to Conference USA with that of staying eligible for the 2012 FCS playoffs. That is leading, several reports say, to a delay of ODU's announcement until June.

That also gives the school more time to line up its donors and, one hopes, educate the local media a little. Stories and columns harp on the additional expenses, but neglect to mention the certain sizable increase in revenues from the Colonial Athletic Association.

(The aforementioned Steele has assured me, in every inquiry I have made, that Marshall's increased travel bill has been outpaced by the increase in TV revenue every year since the move from the MAC.)

Meanwhile, Middle Tennessee is making a last-ditch run to be member No. 14 (even without a beach, I'm starting to like that better.) Appalachian State is talking with C-USA, not the Sun Belt, for its climb to the FBS.

The southernmost Mountaineers would enter the league as the second most scenic venue in the league (El Paso's Sun Bowl leads, by far). I think they would have good support from MU, North Carolina-Charlotte, East Carolina and Old Dominion.

Which may overcome ASU's stigma of the miniscule Boone "market." Stay tuned.

Thought you guys might find this interesting.

I have a hard time believing that CUSA which has shown that they add based on market alone will give App State a chance. If they do it would be completely uncharacteristic of the moves that they are making at this point. Otherwise, why wouldn't they have added solid football schools instead of startups in large market areas.

I think stay tuned is the best thing out of that article.......if ECU stays we do not get a CUSA invite, unless they push for it.

ECU leaves we get an invite as a replacement.

Or would they go after Georgia Southern or another school with a large market.

I think they would be smart, just as the Belt would be, to go after App State. Solid football, solid following, and honestly would garner more national attention over time but it's CUSA and they care only where your school is at. It is ridiculous and I hope the best for you but their plan makes me sick. They may not be pushing and making these changes happen but CUSA is without a doubt going about this in the most ridiculous manner of all the conferences.

Georgia Southern is not in a large market. Their market is similar to App's in the is isn't adjacent to a large market, but they have a share of the large markets farther away.

Since Benson's own mouth said that "There have been conversations but I haven't visited the schools (App State and GA Southern) yet.", I think the guy's line about only CUSA being in the discussion is wrong.

Smock doesn't really know what he's talking about here. I wouldn't be surprised if CUSA has been in contact with Appy St. but I just don't see us having three schools in NC, especially when Boone isn't really part of our expansion philosophy.

It seems the only thing we have been able to get a consensus on is that Georgia Southern and App have been in communication amongst themselves recently regarding all of the realignment going on. Alos, that Benson has had contact with both of them. Anything outside of that is mere speculation.

(05-14-2012 01:08 PM)lmckay92 Wrote: [ -> ]Smock doesn't really know what he's talking about here. I wouldn't be surprised if CUSA has been in contact with Appy St. but I just don't see us having three schools in NC, especially when Boone isn't really part of our expansion philosophy.

I'm positive App State and CUSA have been in discussion. I believe those have been serious discussions. I believe there was some sentiment to extend an invite but obviously not enough members were on board. The bigger market options were more appealing. I also agree that it unlikely that CUSA would take 3 NC schools. I think it highly unlikely that CUSA knocks on our door. I'm not even sure if ECU left and the conference expanded to 16 teams we would be on the receiving end of an invite.

(05-14-2012 01:11 PM)Tennessee_Eagle Wrote: [ -> ]It seems the only thing we have been able to get a consensus on is that Georgia Southern and App have been in communication amongst themselves recently regarding all of the realignment going on. Alos, that Benson has had contact with both of them. Anything outside of that is mere speculation.

Pretty much, the chats between the schools have been confirmed through a few indy sources.

I am with Dr. Gonzo in that I would much rather go to the Belt than CUSA. Charlotte in my mind stained that move, and I think most of our fans think that as well or are getting there.

If we go Belt before the dominoes fall again, CUSA shifts again with ECU moving to the Big East along with USM, guess what two teams in the CUSA East are screwed with killer travel costs.........Marshall and Charlotte. I know I wouldn't want to be in that bunch with the leftovers spoiling but that also opens the appeal those two teams would want to grab App State. App State is geographically located between Marshall and Charlotte so they would be seeking a regional rival to keep the travel down. If we are Belt at that point we tell them to pound sand.


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Ordinary times App would probably have gotten into CUSA a couple of weeks ago. Seemed to have some strong support. Thinking was probably just covering the larger areas first. Who knows what might happen if we have to replace some teams.

(05-14-2012 12:32 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-14-2012 12:29 PM)tw_fatcat Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-14-2012 12:20 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote: [ -> ]http://wvgazette.com/Sports/Marshall/201205130123

Quote: In realignment follies, it seems Old Dominion is balancing its desire to go to Conference USA with that of staying eligible for the 2012 FCS playoffs. That is leading, several reports say, to a delay of ODU's announcement until June.

That also gives the school more time to line up its donors and, one hopes, educate the local media a little. Stories and columns harp on the additional expenses, but neglect to mention the certain sizable increase in revenues from the Colonial Athletic Association.

(The aforementioned Steele has assured me, in every inquiry I have made, that Marshall's increased travel bill has been outpaced by the increase in TV revenue every year since the move from the MAC.)

Meanwhile, Middle Tennessee is making a last-ditch run to be member No. 14 (even without a beach, I'm starting to like that better.) Appalachian State is talking with C-USA, not the Sun Belt, for its climb to the FBS.

The southernmost Mountaineers would enter the league as the second most scenic venue in the league (El Paso's Sun Bowl leads, by far). I think they would have good support from MU, North Carolina-Charlotte, East Carolina and Old Dominion.

Which may overcome ASU's stigma of the miniscule Boone "market." Stay tuned.

Thought you guys might find this interesting.

I have a hard time believing that CUSA which has shown that they add based on market alone will give App State a chance. If they do it would be completely uncharacteristic of the moves that they are making at this point. Otherwise, why wouldn't they have added solid football schools instead of startups in large market areas.

I think stay tuned is the best thing out of that article.......if ECU stays we do not get a CUSA invite, unless they push for it.

ECU leaves we get an invite as a replacement.

They wouldn't need App State even if ECU leaves. They have Charlotte which has a much bigger market. It isn't like they need 2-3 NC schools in the conference. I am sure they would add MTSU first if that were to happen. I think they would add us to get FIU off an island before App St. And I do think they would get a Georgia school before App State. App State is probably pretty far down the list. Sun Belt really is their only option.

Think you are just assumming that they would take a certain school or the other. Would really depend on circumstances and who would remain in the conference. Probably would consider market again, but travel distances, particularly with minor sports, would have some consideration also.

At this point I really don't think we are on CUSA's radar screen. I believe our only viable option is the SBC. The question is whether we are pursuing it hard enough and whether the SBC is really interested in us.

(05-14-2012 02:46 PM)Ragu Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-14-2012 12:32 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-14-2012 12:29 PM)tw_fatcat Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-14-2012 12:20 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote: [ -> ]http://wvgazette.com/Sports/Marshall/201205130123

Quote: In realignment follies, it seems Old Dominion is balancing its desire to go to Conference USA with that of staying eligible for the 2012 FCS playoffs. That is leading, several reports say, to a delay of ODU's announcement until June.

That also gives the school more time to line up its donors and, one hopes, educate the local media a little. Stories and columns harp on the additional expenses, but neglect to mention the certain sizable increase in revenues from the Colonial Athletic Association.

(The aforementioned Steele has assured me, in every inquiry I have made, that Marshall's increased travel bill has been outpaced by the increase in TV revenue every year since the move from the MAC.)

Meanwhile, Middle Tennessee is making a last-ditch run to be member No. 14 (even without a beach, I'm starting to like that better.) Appalachian State is talking with C-USA, not the Sun Belt, for its climb to the FBS.

The southernmost Mountaineers would enter the league as the second most scenic venue in the league (El Paso's Sun Bowl leads, by far). I think they would have good support from MU, North Carolina-Charlotte, East Carolina and Old Dominion.

Which may overcome ASU's stigma of the miniscule Boone "market." Stay tuned.

Thought you guys might find this interesting.

I have a hard time believing that CUSA which has shown that they add based on market alone will give App State a chance. If they do it would be completely uncharacteristic of the moves that they are making at this point. Otherwise, why wouldn't they have added solid football schools instead of startups in large market areas.

I think stay tuned is the best thing out of that article.......if ECU stays we do not get a CUSA invite, unless they push for it.

ECU leaves we get an invite as a replacement.

They wouldn't need App State even if ECU leaves. They have Charlotte which has a much bigger market. It isn't like they need 2-3 NC schools in the conference. I am sure they would add MTSU first if that were to happen. I think they would add us to get FIU off an island before App St. And I do think they would get a Georgia school before App State. App State is probably pretty far down the list. Sun Belt really is their only option.

They sit there true, but trust me when I'm not to the first to say they do not own it. Where do you think the 30,000 that show up to our games come from, they show up early and fill in the hill. I'm willing to bet over 10,000 of that flows in from Charlotte on game days. Watching 421 or 321 traffic on a game day is a sight to behold. I know the UNC-c fans think it doesn't happen every weekend but the college football fans of the state are not in Charlotte on Saturdays. Look no further than NCSU, ECU, ASU's stadium.

I really hope the SBC and App State can get it done, it just makes for the best outcome all around.

(05-14-2012 06:14 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-14-2012 02:46 PM)Ragu Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-14-2012 12:32 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-14-2012 12:29 PM)tw_fatcat Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-14-2012 12:20 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote: [ -> ]http://wvgazette.com/Sports/Marshall/201205130123




Thought you guys might find this interesting.

I have a hard time believing that CUSA which has shown that they add based on market alone will give App State a chance. If they do it would be completely uncharacteristic of the moves that they are making at this point. Otherwise, why wouldn't they have added solid football schools instead of startups in large market areas.

I think stay tuned is the best thing out of that article.......if ECU stays we do not get a CUSA invite, unless they push for it.

ECU leaves we get an invite as a replacement.

They wouldn't need App State even if ECU leaves. They have Charlotte which has a much bigger market. It isn't like they need 2-3 NC schools in the conference. I am sure they would add MTSU first if that were to happen. I think they would add us to get FIU off an island before App St. And I do think they would get a Georgia school before App State. App State is probably pretty far down the list. Sun Belt really is their only option.

They sit there true, but trust me when I'm not to the first to say they do not own it. Where do you think the 30,000 that show up to our games come from, they show up early and fill in the hill. I'm willing to bet over 10,000 of that flows in from Charlotte on game days. Watching 421 or 321 traffic on a game day is a sight to behold. I know the UNC-c fans think it doesn't happen every weekend but the college football fans of the state are not in Charlotte on Saturdays. Look no further than NCSU, ECU, ASU's stadium.

I really hope the SBC and App State can get it done, it just makes for the best outcome all around.

I can't see C-USA adding Appy State. They don't have the market. If the story is true, It would seem Appy is looking at C-USA or just staying in the FCS. That would be bad news for the Sun Belt from a perception standpoint. I believe MTSU would get into C-USA before Appy State.

I hope expansion is finished. If more movement occurs within the big 5 conferences, more raids of the Sun Belt will probably happen.