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(12-17-2013 10:10 AM)chrisattsu Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-17-2013 09:46 AM)Love and Honor Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-17-2013 09:37 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-17-2013 06:43 AM)MJG Wrote: [ -> ]Idaho, EWU, SDSU, NDSU, UND, UM and MSU could form an excellent academic and MAC like FBS conference. These schools travel a lot in any conference their in .

This would indeed be the start of a fun conference. Too bad it makes too much sense to probably ever happen.

I agree, but they kind of had their chance to do it when the WAC was desperate for members. If all of them got together a few years ago and asked for group invitation, there's a chance it could've happened.

Also, didn't NoDak just move up from DII a few years ago?

Agreed. Hell, they had a chance after the last 5 (TXST, UTSA, Latech, Utah State, and San Jose State) left the league before last season.

At that point, the league was Idaho, Seattle, Denver, and New Mexico State. Add in Eastern Washington, the Montana schools, and the Dakotas and it could have been good. Instead the league was forced to drop football and grab parts to stay alive -- UTPA (Deep South Texas), Chicago State, Grand Canyon University, Utah Valley, Missouri-Kansas City

Exactly right. That was the window of opportunity. There was a lot of discussion about it at the time on the WAC board. EWU, UM, MSU, UND, NDSU and SDSU could have come over en masse, transitioned to FBS over time and saved WAC football. They weren't comfortable making the commitment or the investment and so they will remain FCS. I don't see the MWC, MAC or SBC inviting any of them in the foreseeable future.

(12-23-2013 07:13 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-17-2013 10:10 AM)chrisattsu Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-17-2013 09:46 AM)Love and Honor Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-17-2013 09:37 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-17-2013 06:43 AM)MJG Wrote: [ -> ]Idaho, EWU, SDSU, NDSU, UND, UM and MSU could form an excellent academic and MAC like FBS conference. These schools travel a lot in any conference their in .

This would indeed be the start of a fun conference. Too bad it makes too much sense to probably ever happen.

I agree, but they kind of had their chance to do it when the WAC was desperate for members. If all of them got together a few years ago and asked for group invitation, there's a chance it could've happened.

Also, didn't NoDak just move up from DII a few years ago?

Agreed. Hell, they had a chance after the last 5 (TXST, UTSA, Latech, Utah State, and San Jose State) left the league before last season.

At that point, the league was Idaho, Seattle, Denver, and New Mexico State. Add in Eastern Washington, the Montana schools, and the Dakotas and it could have been good. Instead the league was forced to drop football and grab parts to stay alive -- UTPA (Deep South Texas), Chicago State, Grand Canyon University, Utah Valley, Missouri-Kansas City

Exactly right. That was the window of opportunity. There was a lot of discussion about it at the time on the WAC board. EWU, UM, MSU, UND, NDSU and SDSU could have come over en masse, transitioned to FBS over time and saved WAC football. They weren't comfortable making the commitment or the investment and so they will remain FCS. I don't see the MWC, MAC or SBC inviting any of them in the foreseeable future.

Why don't they all share a conference in FCS? And who would you add to those six if they were in the same conference whether in FCS or FBS?

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(12-16-2013 12:22 AM)BruceMcF Wrote: [ -> ]NDSU does not fit the MAC as an all-sports add because of travel distance, and from my perspective, if the MAC were looking at a FB-only add, it would be looking to the East, to allow Bowling Green and Toledo in the same division, and preferably with access to some of the better East Coast recruiting grounds.

I don't know whether it matters what the fit is in with the MWC, since they have a comfortable twelve, with no compelling 13th on the horizon.

Fargo is culturally Midwestern and on the border with Minnesota. That's why they fit the MAC. Just like Nebraska fits into the B1G. Let's not act like it's Alaska. The Bison are good, and would compete right away. Good basketball and baseball. If you want to improve your conference you need to get over these rigid geographic boundaries. If they can figure out a way to squeeze another 5K into the Fargodome then they would start to look real good.

(12-23-2013 11:16 PM)DexterDevil Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-23-2013 11:04 PM)Eagleditka Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-16-2013 12:22 AM)BruceMcF Wrote: [ -> ]NDSU does not fit the MAC as an all-sports add because of travel distance, and from my perspective, if the MAC were looking at a FB-only add, it would be looking to the East, to allow Bowling Green and Toledo in the same division, and preferably with access to some of the better East Coast recruiting grounds.

I don't know whether it matters what the fit is in with the MWC, since they have a comfortable twelve, with no compelling 13th on the horizon.

Fargo is culturally Midwestern and on the border with Minnesota. That's why they fit the MAC. Just like Nebraska fits into the B1G. Let's not act like it's Alaska. The Bison are good, and would compete right away. Good basketball and baseball. If you want to improve your conference you need to get over these rigid geographic boundaries. If they can figure out a way to squeeze another 5K into the Fargodome then they would start to look real good.

As I posted in another thread, there is not a shared culture up here. Nebraska does not share the same type of culture Northwestern or Minnesota does, nor do those two mentioned share a culture.

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The Montana schools killed the WAC, if they join all the dominoes fall. NDSU wasn't going to join a WAC without Montana....I wouldn't be shocked if the WAC did call(I know SDSU was contacted) but the damage had been done by that time.

(12-23-2013 11:04 PM)Eagleditka Wrote: [ -> ]Fargo is culturally Midwestern and on the border with Minnesota. That's why they fit the MAC.

The MAC is culturally in the Rust Belt. Fargo is a oil boom town. That's worlds apart.

And being on the border of Minnesota is still three states apart. If you look at the map I attached, the MAC is in blue and the four most commonly mentioned additions of JMU, Missouri State, NDSU, and Delaware are in red.

Subtract 1 (Michigan school that sounds like beast) add 3 (JMU, MSU, DU).

Fargo is not an oil boom town. Oil has more of a secondary impact on our economy.

Fargo is very Midwestern. Compare it to cities like Lincoln, Madison or Sioux Falls...it is nothing like an oil boom town.

(12-23-2013 11:39 PM)FargoBison Wrote: [ -> ]The Montana schools killed the WAC, if they join all the dominoes fall. NDSU wasn't going to join a WAC without Montana....I wouldn't be shocked if the WAC did call(I know SDSU was contacted) but the damage had been done by that time.

True. Montana was the one that killed WAC football. When Montana said no, so did Poly, Sac State and everybody else. If they had said yes, then the WAC would have reloaded like it always did in the past.

(12-24-2013 01:35 AM)NIUSox10 Wrote: [ -> ]Subtract 1 (Michigan school that sounds like beast) add 3 (JMU, MSU, DU).

EMU is supposed to just "go away"? That's a good one. I guess these newer NCAA games have a realignment option. The real world doesn't work that way.

If NDSU moved to southern Wisconsin, eastern Iowa, eastern Missouri, western Pennsylvania, or northern Kentucky, I'd say that they're a good fit. However, the bottom line is that the MAC will never expand so drastically outside its footprint unless they're getting a program that has no business being in the MAC. In theory getting them for a football only affiliation would be nice, but it's almost guaranteed that they'd leave at the first chance possible while we don't get any long-term benefit (see UCF, Temple, and UMass if they ever get an AAC invite).

(12-24-2013 11:11 AM)Love and Honor Wrote: [ -> ]If NDSU moved to southern Wisconsin, eastern Iowa, eastern Missouri, western Pennsylvania, or northern Kentucky, I'd say that they're a good fit. However, the bottom line is that the MAC will never expand so drastically outside its footprint unless they're getting a program that has no business being in the MAC. In theory getting them for a football only affiliation would be nice, but it's almost guaranteed that they'd leave at the first chance possible while we don't get any long-term benefit (see UCF, Temple, and UMass if they ever get an AAC invite).

I don't know. They're a much better football program off the bat than any of those 3. UCF is better now but the other 2 are iffy at best. And there wouldn't be a lot of options for them to leave - MWC would be the only one and I don't think they're expanding, and I doubt they'll lose anyone in order to cause them to expand. Somebody in the East could leave for the AAC the next time they get raided. But I don't really want football-only (not sure what the conference bigwigs think though) and they're too far away to do all sports.

The MAC added UCF, Temple and UMass to get exposure in new areas. The MAC was able to gain greater recognition among recruits in Florida. MAC games were on TV in Philly and they now are on in Boston. Nobody cares if MAC games air in Fargo or not. And the MAC doesn't need to add a team just to improve the football quality. NIU went to the Orange Bowl last year and would have gone to a major bowl again this year if they had won the MACC.

The MAC gains nothing by adding NDSU.

(12-25-2013 09:45 AM)zibby Wrote: [ -> ]The MAC added UCF, Temple and UMass to get exposure in new areas. The MAC was able to gain greater recognition among recruits in Florida. MAC games were on TV in Philly and they now are on in Boston. Nobody cares if MAC games air in Fargo or not. And the MAC doesn't need to add a team just to improve the football quality. NIU went to the Orange Bowl last year and would have gone to a major bowl again this year if they had won the MACC.

The MAC gains nothing by adding NDSU.

Well if you want respect as a league you need to win OOC games. NDSU would probably help in that area.

It's a shame the WAC didn't convince NDSU, Montana, and the rest of the Big Sky schools to come FBS

(12-29-2013 11:25 AM)Gamecock Wrote: [ -> ]It's a shame the WAC didn't convince NDSU, Montana, and the rest of the Big Sky schools to come FBS

It would be much easier if the Big Sky joined the FBS. Maybe some of the smaller programs wouldn't make the move, but Idaho and NMSU would be easy replacements for those that wouldn't/couldn't move to FBS.

(12-29-2013 12:20 PM)Blackhawk-eye Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-29-2013 11:25 AM)Gamecock Wrote: [ -> ]It's a shame the WAC didn't convince NDSU, Montana, and the rest of the Big Sky schools to come FBS

It would be much easier if the Big Sky joined the FBS. Maybe some of the smaller programs wouldn't make the move, but Idaho and NMSU would be easy replacements for those that wouldn't/couldn't move to FBS.

I swear I read somewhere that the NCAA bylaws prevent an entire conference from moving up.

Didn't the recent rule changes (suggested by FCS leadership no less) make it so only established FBS conferences can invite a school to move up.

Enjoyed watching the fcs playoffs and seeing their indoor stadium with 19k screaming fans. Like the idea of Football only, but hey, the full time MAC members do not.

(12-29-2013 04:48 PM)chrisattsu Wrote: [ -> ]I swear I read somewhere that the NCAA bylaws prevent an entire conference from moving up.

I don't recall an explicit rule that says anything with reference to an "entire" conference, but it'd be awfully hard, if not impossible, to manage the transition of that many FCS schools at once, so it might be that the NCAA bylaws function to prevent an entire conference from moving up, rather than the NCAA bylaws explicitly ruling out an entire conference moving up.

It would work if it was done a pair of schools at a time, but the WAC would have had to start just about the time that it was becoming clear that they were in trouble. By the time it was clear that they were going to have trouble holding eight FBS football members, they needed six members, which would take four years to transition a pair at a time.

(12-29-2013 10:51 AM)NIU007 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-25-2013 09:45 AM)zibby Wrote: [ -> ]The MAC added UCF, Temple and UMass to get exposure in new areas. The MAC was able to gain greater recognition among recruits in Florida. MAC games were on TV in Philly and they now are on in Boston. Nobody cares if MAC games air in Fargo or not. And the MAC doesn't need to add a team just to improve the football quality. NIU went to the Orange Bowl last year and would have gone to a major bowl again this year if they had won the MACC.

The MAC gains nothing by adding NDSU.

Well if you want respect as a league you need to win OOC games. NDSU would probably help in that area.

This is true.

I'm surprised NDSU hasn't reached out to the SBC, a league desperate for good football programs. They could offset the lack of football punch provided by Idaho and New Mexico State.