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Do we now round out at 16 by inviting UConn and Rutgers or stay at 14 indefinitely? Any other candidates to consider? I really feel like Rutgers is on the rise for football and they've got a fertile recruiting territory.

I'd stay at 14, until ND officially joins the B1G.

(04-27-2012 07:14 PM)ringmaster Wrote: [ -> ]Do we now round out at 16 by inviting UConn and Rutgers or stay at 14 indefinitely? Any other candidates to consider?

Stay at 14. The last thing the ACC needs is more basketball schools.

(04-27-2012 07:15 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote: [ -> ]I'd stay at 14, until ND officially joins the B1G.

Which will be never IMHO after reading TerryD's comments about the B1G.

(04-27-2012 07:17 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2012 07:14 PM)ringmaster Wrote: [ -> ]Do we now round out at 16 by inviting UConn and Rutgers or stay at 14 indefinitely? Any other candidates to consider?

Stay at 14. The last thing the ACC needs is more basketball schools.

I was thinking Rutgers is getting better at football and they've got a fertile recruiting ground that Penn State has been just eating up forever. We could stake a claim there to some good 4-star talent.

(04-27-2012 07:17 PM)ringmaster Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2012 07:15 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote: [ -> ]I'd stay at 14, until ND officially joins the B1G.

Which will be never IMHO after reading TerryD's comments about the B1G.

All the more reason to leave #15 open for ND and a partner.

Only way I expand is if somehow PSU is in the mix, otherwise its not worth it.

(04-27-2012 07:19 PM)ringmaster Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2012 07:17 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2012 07:14 PM)ringmaster Wrote: [ -> ]Do we now round out at 16 by inviting UConn and Rutgers or stay at 14 indefinitely? Any other candidates to consider?

Stay at 14. The last thing the ACC needs is more basketball schools.

I was thinking Rutgers is getting better at football and they've got a fertile recruiting ground that Penn State has been just eating up forever. We could stake a claim there to some good 4-star talent.

Then we need to do what everybody else has been doing for decades.....go recruit there. Rutgers is the only BCS program that has wasted more in-state talent over the years than UNC.

I believe the ACC will stand at 14 at least until Syracuse and Pitt get settled in. 5 years maybe?? That assumes they don't loose any schools or no other conference moves E/NE.

As for who to add, the first test for me would be, "Do they want to be in the ACC?" ND doesn't want to be in the ACC. I'm not sure Rutgers does either.

(04-27-2012 07:53 PM)Wolfman Wrote: [ -> ]I believe the ACC will stand at 14 at least until Syracuse and Pitt get settled in. 5 years maybe?? That assumes they don't loose any schools or no other conference moves E/NE.

Honestly, if another conference willingly wants UConn and/or Rutgers let them have them. In the end it will strengthen our position because neither are going to add anything of value to the football side of the equation of any conference.

What exactly happened with Notre Dame to take them off the table? If they're off the table, and we're only taking into account football, then West Virginia and Rutgers would be my picks.

WVU has good enough athletics, that it should outweigh their academics. They have many established rivals in the ACC; Pitt, 'Cuse, UMD, UVA, and VaTech. While their administration is probably pissed at the ACC, I still think they'd join.

RU has good academics, they've never really been able to put it together athletically. They have a lot of upside, and have shown they care about athletics. Investing to the point that they're in serious need of money. They're definitely more of a football oriented school.

West Virginia is a good choice on the surface but when you get to know the hatred they have for everyone and the levels they will stoop to express it, I think it'd be like bringing a ciggarette into a gas leak. Something bad is going to end up happening and I would really like for it to happen to someone else.

As good as WVU has been, I'd rather have Louisville, as IMO they have far more upside.

(04-27-2012 08:21 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote: [ -> ]As good as WVU has been, I'd rather have Louisville, as IMO they have far more upside.

Actually wouldn't mind seeing Louisville & WVU.

Rutgers had one good season and a few ho-hum seasons and that is for football, They haven't done anything in hoops for 25-30 years and they are not really a powerhouse in any other sport, if that even matters. They are perennially a weaker team in everything. Academically they would fit in with the B1G or the ACC without a problem, but athletically they have a lot to prove before I would bring them in, especially if Notre Dame is available, in spite of what many fans think.

Though I agree with TerryD's assessment of fans, the administration is open to listening, which means that as long gas the Big East can fly cover for ND in all other sports and ND can remain Indy, they will. However, if the time comes where ND cannot get access to the playoffs/BCS, they would join. Note that in a four team playoff, ND may be squeezed enough to join a conference, especially if the SEC has their way with the top four teams only, not the four best conference champs.

I don't know that the ACC ever said "no" to WVU. If anything they said, "not right now." There were many candidates. It was assumed WVU didn't make the cut because of academics. What ever the factors were, WVU didn't make the top 2. As far as I know they could have been #3.

(04-27-2012 09:00 PM)Wolfman Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know that the ACC ever said "no" to WVU. If anything they said, "not right now." There were many candidates. It was assumed WVU didn't make the cut because of academics. What ever the factors were, WVU didn't make the top 2. As far as I know they could have been #3.

No, WVU was never an option because of academics.

(04-27-2012 08:29 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-27-2012 08:21 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote: [ -> ]As good as WVU has been, I'd rather have Louisville, as IMO they have far more upside.

Actually wouldn't mind seeing Louisville & WVU.

If Notre Dame is actually out of the picture, then I agree; take Louisville & WVU. If ND is still a possibility, then let's wait and see what happens. Personally, I have no vested interest in either UConn or Rutgers, but I'm not opposed to either.

There is no reason to go to 16 unless other conferences do. The B1G would have a hard time getting to 14 much less 16, and the PAC 12 would have to steal schools fom the Big XII to get to 16.
Without Notre Dame ther is no reason for the ACC to get any larger.

(04-27-2012 07:14 PM)ringmaster Wrote: [ -> ]Do we now round out at 16 by inviting UConn and Rutgers or stay at 14 indefinitely? Any other candidates to consider? I really feel like Rutgers is on the rise for football and they've got a fertile recruiting territory.

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I assume during this current pending ACC contract renegotiation (and possible channel negotiation), that ESPN is communicating whether either or both schools would actually add significant payable value.

Hopefully the new contract payout is enough to be competitive with the Big 12 and there will be relative stability till 2016 when the Big 10 goes into the open market for TV rights and potentially reassesses their strong midwest profile.

Although the ACC expanded to renegotiate it's contract, it obviously was influenced by events outside its control such as the SEC expansion making them eligible for contract renegotiation and the possibility that the Big 12 was considering Pitt as an expansion target.

As far as ND, if the decision is to include a playoff among 3 conference champions and the top ranked remaining team as seems likely, that definitely limits ND access and focuses attention upon the major conferences.

Even more important, is how the "playoff" revenue would be split among the major conferences and independents.

As long as ND can schedule strong teams and maintain strong media coverage and interest, they are likely to have achieved their primary goal.

From an ACC perspective, with the addition of SU and Pitt filling in the footprint of a true north-south coastal conference, it is important to consolidate the new schools into the conference and see how the competitive and media impact unfolds.

Personally I believe the new additions will be a major plus for both Pitt and SU and the ACC as well. The ACC has great schools, a very strong and logical market footprint and great potential to compete.

For whatever it is worth, the Rivals recruiting ranking for 2012 lists FSU as # 6, Miami as #9, Clemson 14 and VT 22. With new head coaches at FSU and Miami, I believe the ACC will be a highly competitive conference.

In short, 14 teams and 9 games allows for more frequent competition among the current schools. It would be a mistake to dilute that competition, that only begins in 2013, unless there are very strong compelling reasons to do so, that will win an overwhelming consensus among the member schools.

(04-27-2012 07:15 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote: [ -> ]I'd stay at 14, until ND officially joins the B1G.

Agreed, unless Rutgers finally breaks out in football the ACC would be very foolish to take us. If we string together a few BCS Bowl wins then its worth talking about. Academically the ACC and Big Ten are seamless fits. Unfortunately we're spectacularly mediocre athletically. Our only teams worth talking about are women's basketball and wrestling. Though men's and women's soccer are possibly on the upswing.