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With Temple leaving the A10 is at 13. 10 are private (8 of which are catholic) while 3 are public. There are 8 northeastern, 3 midwestern, 2 southern universities composing the conference.

There are a lot of different directions the A10 could go so I wanted to get a full list of likely universities on the short list to replace Temple. I will break them down by region

Midwest:
1. Butler - Private school in a major market. Expands the A10's tv territory and has an exceptional basketball program, which would help replace the loss of Temple

2. Loyola Chicago - Private school in major market. Expands the A10 tv territory. Would not be viewed as great of a pickup as Butler, but if Butler cannot find the financial incentive to move or just did not want to move and the A10 wanted to expand west, they would be a solid backup.

3. Detroit - Private school in major market. Same as Loyola

Butler would be playing with natural rivals St. Louis, Xaiver, and Dayton, but would giving up a lot of guaranteed money to join the A10. It would be a high risk, possible high reward scenario. The others might see the A10 as an opportunity to step out of Butlers shadow into a more high profile conference, or they might see it as too costly. It wouldn't really make sense for a large public midwestern to join so I did not include any of them as options

South:
1. VCU - Major market (although duplicate of currently covered market) and a Large public school, like the school they would be replacing. Like Butler, Basketball success and commitment to success makes them attractive pick. Would they want to come alone? Does the A10 want to expand my more than 1?

2 GMU - Large public school in a duplicate market, Come Alone??? same as VCU

3. ODU - Large public school in a new market. Come Alone??? Like GMU and VCU w/o the final 4 run. Have a football program they have to worry about too

4. JMU - Large public school in a new market. Come Alone?? Football?? Like ODU w/ smaller market

With the A10 not being a football league ODU and JMU are likely out by default unless they are interested in pursuing the UMASS model for
football, which I don't believe to be the case. VCU and GMU don't really fit in with a bunch of private religious schools and if the A10 only wants 1, are unlikely to abandon natural rivals for an unnatural fit. Towson (who would give the A10 and foothold in Baltimore) would probably get a look to if they had a stronger hoops program

Northeast: There are a ton of northeastern expansion candidates. I will try to think like the A10 and rank them in terms of attractiveness

1. Boston U - Private School in major market. Solid hoops that would likely improve in the higher profile A10. With UMass looking more and more like Temple in terms of A10 commitment, this would allow the A10 to maintain a foothold in a vital market should Umass leave.

OTHER NEW ENGLAND OPTIONS: Northeastern (Backup Boston if Boston U not interested), Hartford (Private school in major market) New Hampshire and Maine (2 State public schools in the mold of UMass and URI)

2. Hofstra - Private school in a major market that is already covered. However, New York is huge and if any market could afford 2 schools its New York. Solid hoops school

OTHER NEW YORK OPTIONS: Stony Brook (If Public New York school wanted they would be ideal) Iona/Manhatten (Both Private religious schools in major media market with solid hoops programs)

Delaware and Drexel duplicate the already 2x covered Philadelphia market so I did not consider them serious candidates. Plus Delaware has the football problem.

So my guess for A10 expansion is either Butler or Boston U. I see the A10 being interested in getting the league focused on major market private schools, as public schools seem to cause problems with their football programs. I just don't see the A10 being able to get GMU or VCU to bite. If the A10 cannot get Butler interested I see them adding Boston U in preparation for a UMass departure. The A10 just does not seem to interested in further New York expansion which is unfortunate for a willing, able and qualified Hofstra.


THOUGHTS????
Old Dominion and Virginia Commonwealth. Enough said.
One thing about Richmond, VCU owns the city of Richmond. Most people in that city could care less about UR.
(03-10-2012 11:25 PM)TampaKnight Wrote: [ -> ]Old Dominion and Virginia Commonwealth. Enough said.

ODU isn't going to complicate things for football.
(03-10-2012 11:32 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-10-2012 11:25 PM)TampaKnight Wrote: [ -> ]Old Dominion and Virginia Commonwealth. Enough said.

ODU isn't going to complicate things for football.

And VCU isn't going anywhere without ODU.
(03-10-2012 11:34 PM)Old Dominion Navy Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-10-2012 11:32 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-10-2012 11:25 PM)TampaKnight Wrote: [ -> ]Old Dominion and Virginia Commonwealth. Enough said.

ODU isn't going to complicate things for football.

And VCU isn't going anywhere without ODU.

and gmu will likely not go by itself thereby preventing the A10 from any southern expansion.
As a former BU student, I can tell you that BU is an absolute zero on the college basketball radar.
Plus by the end of the year, VCU should announce they are starting a varsity football team finally.
BU has the nice Agganis Areana which can be used for some basketball and while not a consistent mid major power they are a solid american east power on a yearly basis. i think they have a leg up over northeastern due to facilities
(03-10-2012 11:57 PM)solohawks Wrote: [ -> ]BU has the nice Agganis Areana which can be used for some basketball and while not a consistent mid major power they are a solid american east power on a yearly basis. i think they have a leg up over northeastern due to facilities

The basketball fanbase at BU is like worse than Temple football in the BE last go around bad. Literally no one cares. They would be a monumental screwup of an addition to the A10 at this point.
(03-10-2012 11:10 PM)solohawks Wrote: [ -> ]With Temple leaving the A10 is at 13.

A conference that still has 13 schools doesn't "need" a replacement. Whether they want one or more is another matter...
(03-11-2012 12:13 AM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-10-2012 11:10 PM)solohawks Wrote: [ -> ]With Temple leaving the A10 is at 13.

A conference that still has 13 schools doesn't "need" a replacement. Whether they want one or more is another matter...

100% agree. If the A-10 can't get a good basketball school as a replacement then it shouldn't get a replacement.
(03-11-2012 09:43 AM)Minutemen429 Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-11-2012 12:13 AM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-10-2012 11:10 PM)solohawks Wrote: [ -> ]With Temple leaving the A10 is at 13.

A conference that still has 13 schools doesn't "need" a replacement. Whether they want one or more is another matter...

100% agree. If the A-10 can't get a good basketball school as a replacement then it shouldn't get a replacement.

Butler seems like an obvious replacement. A basketball school in a basketball crazy state that brings new markets and bridges the Ohio and St. Louis schools.
The thing about Butler is they have earned a LOT of NCAA hoops money
2013- 2007-12 4 million dollars
2014- 2008-13 3.25 million dollars
2015- 2009-14 2.75 million dollars
2016- 2010-15 2.5 million dollars
2017- 2011-17 1.25 million dollars

so if they left effective the 2013-14 season- they would be losing out on a share of 9.75 million dollars. Not sure how the Horizon revenue shares- but maybe half for them- that'd be nearly 5 million dollars.
Personally, if I were a decision maker in the A-10, I'd want to have a talk with the UNCC admininistration about where they plan to be in a few years, as their departure would put the A-10 back at an even number.
(03-11-2012 04:08 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]The thing about Butler is they have earned a LOT of NCAA hoops money
2013- 2007-12 4 million dollars
2014- 2008-13 3.25 million dollars
2015- 2009-14 2.75 million dollars
2016- 2010-15 2.5 million dollars
2017- 2011-17 1.25 million dollars

so if they left effective the 2013-14 season- they would be losing out on a share of 9.75 million dollars. Not sure how the Horizon revenue shares- but maybe half for them- that'd be nearly 5 million dollars.

Almost certain that the Horizon shares equally, which means dividing by 10.
St. Louis, Dayton, and Xavier will make absolutely certain that Temple's replacement comes from the Midwest. Duquesne and St. Bonaventure will back them up.

Butler is the popular choice but might not want to leave their traditional rivals in the Horizon. Keep an eye on Bradley, a school that gets lost in the MVC shuffle.

UMass is eventually going to leave, and Rhode Island will have to mull going to America East at that point, with the other New England and SUNY public schools.

That cuts the A-10 down to 12, with six in the Midwest, and six in the East. UNC Charlotte will quit further down the road and be replaced by a Northeast private.
Yes but you have to look at tournament placements. The Horizon annually gets only 1 team in and generally they don't get seeded well. If they want to keep growing they have to move up in class in terms of leagues.

They A-10 gets the 26th market in a state that cares about basketball and an added brand name. Will it help the TV deal and can Butler afford the travel.
Albany, Boston U, Stony Brook, Vermont... all bad additions... basketball plays second fiddle at all those schools. To tell you how bad the America East fan interest is in those teams... Binghamton is the only real conference draw... they led the league for a 9th consecutive year, despite a significant drop in attendance and going 2-28 on the season.
(03-11-2012 06:50 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote: [ -> ]St. Louis, Dayton, and Xavier will make absolutely certain that Temple's replacement comes from the Midwest. Duquesne and St. Bonaventure will back them up.

Butler is the popular choice but might not want to leave their traditional rivals in the Horizon. Keep an eye on Bradley, a school that gets lost in the MVC shuffle.

Interesting comment on traditional rivals. Xavier as an original Horizon league member with Butler and St. Louis and Dayton have also been members so historical rivals cuts both ways.
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