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Or something else again? I think everybody expects the Big East to bring in Boise State in 2012 so that they will have 8 teams to compete for the championship. Then to wait until Navy joins to go to 12 teams. But who knows?..........they could pull off another surprise. Your thoughts.
The longer WVU and the Big 12 take to make their announcement, the less likely BSU will be joining before next season. I think it becomes more of an option for a school like Temple to get the call up.
A lot of chatter about them and not just on here or other boards.
We will see.
(02-14-2012 09:24 AM)FriarTuck420 Wrote: [ -> ]The longer WVU and the Big 12 take to make their announcement, the less likely BSU will be joining before next season. I think it becomes more of an option for a school like Temple to get the call up.
A lot of chatter about them and not just on here or other boards.
We will see.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=555157
What I want to see is the BE bring in two more Western schools for football. At this point I don't care which two it is. Let's just get to twelve as fast as possible, before the only remaining school is NMS. We need to get a CCG now, not wait until Navy in 2015. I'd even be happy having to scrape up a few complete bottom feeders so that we can go to 14 or 16, if that's what it takes to get us Temple in the East and a second Cal school in the West.

What the BE will probably do is nothing. The front office will likely sit on its hands and watch all the moves be made around it. It will take another school leaving for the BE to do anything past waiting for Navy and reassuring Nova that a place is still being held for it should they ever find the will and money to move up.
(02-14-2012 10:52 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote: [ -> ]What I want to see is the BE bring in two more Western schools for football. At this point I don't care which two it is. Let's just get to twelve as fast as possible, before the only remaining school is NMS. We need to get a CCG now, not wait until Navy in 2015. I'd even be happy having to scrape up a few complete bottom feeders so that we can go to 14 or 16, if that's what it takes to get us Temple in the East and a second Cal school in the West.

What the BE will probably do is nothing. The front office will likely sit on its hands and watch all the moves be made around it. It will take another school leaving for the BE to do anything past waiting for Navy and reassuring Nova that a place is still being held for it should they ever find the will and money to move up.

Why expand just to expand? Expanding to 12 or more with schools that you don't really want doesn't make sense compared to staying at 11 for a year or two with schools that you actually want. The Big East can poach from the Alliance whenever it wants to - none of those schools are going to the Big 12 or SEC. It's not like USC or Ohio State is a free agent right now and the BE needs to pounce. The TV networks aren't excited by anyone in the Alliance outside of Air Force, so the BE doesn't have a need to add any of them except for backfilling purposes.
We should just add Temple and ECU for all-sports in the East and Air Force I think is pliable again. They should be added for football-only in the west. If the Big 12 decides to punt on expanding further then we should go ahead and bring BYU for football only on the west side. If BYU won't budget bring in Fresno. Navy will bring us to 16 and full-up. I can definitely get behind a conference with these divisions:
East: UCF, USF, Temple, ECU, Rutgers, UConn, Cincinnati, Louisville
West: Navy, Air Force, Memphis, SMU, BYU/Fresno, Houston, Boise, San Diego State
We'd need guaranteed crossovers of Rutgers-Navy and Louisville-Memphis. Its not a Big 5 conference but good enough to warrant a tie-in with one of the BCS bowls especially if the Cotton is elevated as expected. Actually I could see a situation where the Orange, Fiesta and Cotton share a Big East tie-in similar to how the Sun and Gator did a few years back. Each has to take the Big East champ twice over an 8 year span. If an Eastern team makes it the Orange is the likely destination, if its Memphis or a Texas school or Louisville makes it the Cotton is the likely destination or if a Western school makes it the Fiesta is the likely destination. That's how the whole system continues to skirt government and legal scrutiny, by keeping the Big East in the fold but in a weird sharing of them scheme.
If Boise doesn't jump early, Memphis was asked, and has told the BE they would be willing to go. But with the announcement about the C-USA/MWC dissolution/merger, it is possible that the estimated $6.1M media rights buyout, for all teams leaving C-USA, will disappear next year. Not so clear if anybody jumps early, so that might change Memphis' willingness to jump, if Boise doesn't.

I also agree with Frank that the BE is likely not going to add Temple, just to solve this one-year problem. I think it's more likely that they just play a team short this coming season, if all else fails.

Of course, I'm fine with Temple, too, just don't think that's where it's headed. And ECU is okay by me, although USM has MUCH better FB and BB programs, but I doubt either ECU or USM ever makes it, due to their markets.
(02-14-2012 11:00 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]Why expand just to expand? Expanding to 12 or more with schools that you don't really want doesn't make sense compared to staying at 11 for a year or two with schools that you actually want. The Big East can poach from the Alliance whenever it wants to - none of those schools are going to the Big 12 or SEC. It's not like USC or Ohio State is a free agent right now and the BE needs to pounce. The TV networks aren't excited by anyone in the Alliance outside of Air Force, so the BE doesn't have a need to add any of them except for backfilling purposes.

Frank, these are my sentiments too. I think the Big East is in a good position right now. If they need to add someone later, they can do it then. They don't have to do it right now. If anything, they need to convince Navy to come aboard in 2014 instead of 2015. That, and adding Boise for 2012 are the only things I see they need to do.
Boise in 2012 would be great...

If they can't do it, than bring in Temple.

The next team out of the West should be Air Force... and we can wait on them since Navy is coming in, in 2015.
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RE: Will the BE Do What's Expected........

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(02-14-2012 12:16 PM)justinslot Wrote: [ -> ]Help us Obi-Wan Bobkustra, you're our only hope!
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The Big East won't do a damn thing, and we'll have to schedule more FCS teams.
It seems like the only ones favoring the Big East are the future new members that will be joining in 2013. Everyone else is very negative.
(02-14-2012 11:45 AM)TripleA Wrote: [ -> ]If Boise doesn't jump early, Memphis was asked, and has told the BE they would be willing to go. But with the announcement about the C-USA/MWC dissolution/merger, it is possible that the estimated $6.1M media rights buyout, for all teams leaving C-USA, will disappear next year. Not so clear if anybody jumps early, so that might change Memphis' willingness to jump, if Boise doesn't.

I also agree with Frank that the BE is likely not going to add Temple, just to solve this one-year problem. I think it's more likely that they just play a team short this coming season, if all else fails.

Of course, I'm fine with Temple, too, just don't think that's where it's headed. And ECU is okay by me, although USM has MUCH better FB and BB programs, but I doubt either ECU or USM ever makes it, due to their markets.

good points, does usm bring the new orleans mkt?
(02-14-2012 11:00 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-14-2012 10:52 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote: [ -> ]What I want to see is the BE bring in two more Western schools for football. At this point I don't care which two it is. Let's just get to twelve as fast as possible, before the only remaining school is NMS. We need to get a CCG now, not wait until Navy in 2015. I'd even be happy having to scrape up a few complete bottom feeders so that we can go to 14 or 16, if that's what it takes to get us Temple in the East and a second Cal school in the West.

What the BE will probably do is nothing. The front office will likely sit on its hands and watch all the moves be made around it. It will take another school leaving for the BE to do anything past waiting for Navy and reassuring Nova that a place is still being held for it should they ever find the will and money to move up.

Why expand just to expand? Expanding to 12 or more with schools that you don't really want doesn't make sense compared to staying at 11 for a year or two with schools that you actually want. The Big East can poach from the Alliance whenever it wants to - none of those schools are going to the Big 12 or SEC. It's not like USC or Ohio State is a free agent right now and the BE needs to pounce. The TV networks aren't excited by anyone in the Alliance outside of Air Force, so the BE doesn't have a need to add any of them except for backfilling purposes.

Well Frank here's why.

First, no school in this present conference was anybody's first choice. RU was only brought in to the original BE, to put a football presence in the NY metro market. We never did anything to earn that invite. It was about location and potential (Gee, that sounds familiar). We still haven't done enough to become anybody's first choice. That's why RU is the only original member left in the BE 3.0, with no prospect of getting out any time soon.
Back in the day, daU asked the BE to expand by one more school. It wanted a conference mate further South. A school with a history of playing original BE members that was located between VT and daU. Only ECU has ever fit that bill (Yes we have been spurning ECU for over a decade now). The BE refused to act in any way, which resulted in the eventual lose of three of the top original schools to the ACC.

Second, nobody wanted the three replacement schools from the original C-USA. If we did, they would have been brought in before the first ACC raid. They were simply the best available school not in a major conf (Ville), an under achiever located in a major market and large state (Cincy) and an up and comer with lots of potential located in a football hotbed (USF). Again that all sounds really familiar.
At the time most of us BE fans were like WTF is this? Those were desperate moves made by a desperate conf admin. Fortunately they worked out for the better, as all three did well in the BE and the conference improved as a whole. We even slipped in as a BCS conference. But the BE fell back into its old ways, and buried its head in the sand, while the world around it continued to change.

Third, no offense to the new members, none of them were our first choices either. The eight football schools wanted one or two semi-eastern schools to help improve the conf and solidify its BCS status in a time when the other BCS conferences were expanding and adding a CCG. We've been debating expansion for years. There has always been the thought of, "Why expand for the sake of expanding, all the usual suspects will be there if we ever want them." We said that about ECU, UCF, USM, Temple and Memphis, when we all thought that the BE would try to keep some sort of geographic identity.
In the mean time, the BE fiddle-dicked around with competing factions either trying to expand or split or keep the status quo. Finally the BE did something right by going completely off the reservation and inviting TCU. That's right, a desperate move to try a quick counter to all the moves made by the other BCS conferences. Bring in the best available nonBCS school (Sounds like a familiar tune). It was a brilliant move. The problem was that the BE didn't go far enough. It still needed to bring in that under achiever in a big market (Memphis) and the up and comer in a football hotbed (UCF). That would make eleven. To get to the magic number, the BE should have let TCU pick the twelfth. It didn't and we ended up loosing four schools because of it.

Fourth, once things settle down around here, we are going to see that the new guys are rising up to the level of competition and probably improving the league. You'll be sitting here saying, see we don't need those other guys from that galactic alliance thing. Besides, if we ever do need them, they will be waiting right there for our call. Guys like you are going to be willing to wait three full seasons for Navy to come into the league, so we can finally stage a CCG. In the mean time, the Texahoma conf may decide to expand back to twelve and pick off Ville and Cincy. ND may finally decide to move into the BIG, which could lead to RU being drafted as the counter balance. The SEC and the ACC will probably both go to sixteen, which would probably result in four of the leftovers from BE 2.0 jumping ship.
Then what will happen? Three years from now the BE will be back to making desperate moves to save itself. Those moves will be quite predictable. THe BE will call up all those schools that weren't good enough for it three years prior, or three years prior to that and ask a few of them to join. It will find the best available, the underachiever in the big market and the up and comer in a football hotbed and try to recruit them. I have a crazy idea that the BE should just figure out what three those are now, and invite them in now. That way while we all wait for Navy, we can stage the CCG two years early, allow the eventual invitees to get a jump on building BCS calibre facilities and programs, and hedge against loosing a school or three to other conferences.
If the BE does what is expected of them.....

Then they will be announcing that by unanimous vote......Villanova will be joining the conference for football in 2015.

Oh and by the way.....we will only be playing 11 games in 2012.

That is all.

John Marinatto
(02-14-2012 04:27 PM)SMUstang Wrote: [ -> ]It seems like the only ones favoring the Big East are the future new members that will be joining in 2013. Everyone else is very negative.

That's because of our experience vs your enthusiasm. Don't worry, after a very short time and a few WTF moves by the "leadership" of this conference and you too will be bitter and cynical.
Don't project your bitterness on being stuck in limbo on everyone else. Although it is entertaining to watch.
(02-14-2012 11:41 PM)The Brown Bull Wrote: [ -> ]If the BE does what is expected of them.....

Then they will be announcing that by unanimous vote......Villanova will be joining the conference for football in 2015.

Oh and by the way.....we will only be playing 11 games in 2012.

That is all.

John Marinatto
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