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I don't think they will go to Cusa. They will be in the Big east shortly...

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/139196444.html

I don't think there's a single thing said that's a surprise.

Temple longs to be back in the BE. Everyone knows it.

(02-13-2012 08:14 AM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think there's a single thing said that's a surprise.

Temple longs to be back in the BE. Everyone knows it.

There is nothing at all informative in this article. But this is true:

"Is Temple close to playing football in the merging Conference USA-Mountain West?

More likely, the Owls are keeping their options open."

I got my hopes up when UB was in discussions with several AHA teams and Bowling Green but, like all good AD's Warde Manuel was just keeping his options open.

Only an idiot would pay two million to 'upgrade' from the MAC to CUSA right now and only the heir to the throne of idiots would leave the A10 and sign a big buyout with the LBC (Left Behind Conference).

Personally I think you see the Big East pay all, or a large part of Boise's buyout this season with the 20 million dollars they just got from WVU.

(02-13-2012 09:15 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote: [ -> ]Personally I think you see the Big East pay all, or a large part of Boise's buyout this season with the 20 million dollars they just got from WVU.

(02-13-2012 09:15 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2012 08:14 AM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think there's a single thing said that's a surprise.

Temple longs to be back in the BE. Everyone knows it.

There is nothing at all informative in this article. But this is true:

"Is Temple close to playing football in the merging Conference USA-Mountain West?

More likely, the Owls are keeping their options open."

I got my hopes up when UB was in discussions with several AHA teams and Bowling Green but, like all good AD's Warde Manuel was just keeping his options open.

Only an idiot would pay two million to 'upgrade' from the MAC to CUSA right now and only the heir to the throne of idiots would leave the A10 and sign a big buyout with the LBC (Left Behind Conference).

Personally I think you see the Big East pay all, or a large part of Boise's buyout this season with the 20 million dollars they just got from WVU.

Football only makes sense in C-USA for only one reason...$$$$$

The MAC TV contract sucks and a new Alliance contract (even if in line with the past contracts of MWC and C-USA) kills the MAC.

I still think Temple is waiting on the BE for that exact same reason...$$$$

(02-13-2012 09:51 AM)templefan1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2012 09:15 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2012 08:14 AM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think there's a single thing said that's a surprise.

Temple longs to be back in the BE. Everyone knows it.

There is nothing at all informative in this article. But this is true:

"Is Temple close to playing football in the merging Conference USA-Mountain West?

More likely, the Owls are keeping their options open."

I got my hopes up when UB was in discussions with several AHA teams and Bowling Green but, like all good AD's Warde Manuel was just keeping his options open.

Only an idiot would pay two million to 'upgrade' from the MAC to CUSA right now and only the heir to the throne of idiots would leave the A10 and sign a big buyout with the LBC (Left Behind Conference).

Personally I think you see the Big East pay all, or a large part of Boise's buyout this season with the 20 million dollars they just got from WVU.

Football only makes sense in C-USA for only one reason...$$$$$

The MAC TV contract sucks and a new Alliance contract (even if in line with the past contracts of MWC and C-USA) kills the MAC.

I still think Temple is waiting on the BE for that exact same reason...$$$$

Keep in mind the last time CUSA lost teams to the BE their contract dropped from about 8 million to about 1 million and that was with Houston and Memphis.

If you think that the people paying the contract don't (1) consider this a major enough change to warrant renegotiation or (2) Think they can get a better deal, then you are very naive.

The question is this, do you pay 2 million to the MAC sign a 5 million or so buyout with CUSA all for the prospect that maybe their contract stays intact?

(02-13-2012 09:58 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2012 09:51 AM)templefan1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2012 09:15 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2012 08:14 AM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think there's a single thing said that's a surprise.

Temple longs to be back in the BE. Everyone knows it.

There is nothing at all informative in this article. But this is true:

"Is Temple close to playing football in the merging Conference USA-Mountain West?

More likely, the Owls are keeping their options open."

I got my hopes up when UB was in discussions with several AHA teams and Bowling Green but, like all good AD's Warde Manuel was just keeping his options open.

Only an idiot would pay two million to 'upgrade' from the MAC to CUSA right now and only the heir to the throne of idiots would leave the A10 and sign a big buyout with the LBC (Left Behind Conference).

Personally I think you see the Big East pay all, or a large part of Boise's buyout this season with the 20 million dollars they just got from WVU.

Football only makes sense in C-USA for only one reason...$$$$$

The MAC TV contract sucks and a new Alliance contract (even if in line with the past contracts of MWC and C-USA) kills the MAC.

I still think Temple is waiting on the BE for that exact same reason...$$$$

Keep in mind the last time CUSA lost teams to the BE their contract dropped from about 8 million to about 1 million and that was with Houston and Memphis.

If you think that the people paying the contract don't (1) consider this a major enough change to warrant renegotiation or (2) Think they can get a better deal, then you are very naive.

The question is this, do you pay 2 million to the MAC sign a 5 million or so buyout with CUSA all for the prospect that maybe their contract stays intact?

Bull,

If the Alliance happens, they are banking on renegotiating the contacts regardless.

The MAC pays what, $100,000 a year per school? That is horrible...
C-USA and the MWC schools get about $1.3-$1.5 Mil per school...I would think the Alliance contract would maybe be a little less per schools but that is still 10+ times more than the MAC...

Temple would make of the $2m exit fee for the MAC in 2 years in C_USA...

If Temple went to the BigE from C-USA and the TV contact is as expected...the $5mil would be a non issue...

(02-13-2012 10:38 AM)templefan1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2012 09:58 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2012 09:51 AM)templefan1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2012 09:15 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2012 08:14 AM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think there's a single thing said that's a surprise.

Temple longs to be back in the BE. Everyone knows it.

There is nothing at all informative in this article. But this is true:

"Is Temple close to playing football in the merging Conference USA-Mountain West?

More likely, the Owls are keeping their options open."

I got my hopes up when UB was in discussions with several AHA teams and Bowling Green but, like all good AD's Warde Manuel was just keeping his options open.

Only an idiot would pay two million to 'upgrade' from the MAC to CUSA right now and only the heir to the throne of idiots would leave the A10 and sign a big buyout with the LBC (Left Behind Conference).

Personally I think you see the Big East pay all, or a large part of Boise's buyout this season with the 20 million dollars they just got from WVU.

Football only makes sense in C-USA for only one reason...$$$$$

The MAC TV contract sucks and a new Alliance contract (even if in line with the past contracts of MWC and C-USA) kills the MAC.

I still think Temple is waiting on the BE for that exact same reason...$$$$

Keep in mind the last time CUSA lost teams to the BE their contract dropped from about 8 million to about 1 million and that was with Houston and Memphis.

If you think that the people paying the contract don't (1) consider this a major enough change to warrant renegotiation or (2) Think they can get a better deal, then you are very naive.

The question is this, do you pay 2 million to the MAC sign a 5 million or so buyout with CUSA all for the prospect that maybe their contract stays intact?

Bull,

If the Alliance happens, they are banking on renegotiating the contacts regardless.

The MAC pays what, $100,000 a year per school? That is horrible...
C-USA and the MWC schools get about $1.3-$1.5 Mil per school...I would think the Alliance contract would maybe be a little less per schools but that is still 10+ times more than the MAC...

Temple would make of the $2m exit fee for the MAC in 2 years in C_USA...

If Temple went to the BigE from C-USA and the TV contact is as expected...the $5mil would be a non issue...

I thought the MAC TV deal gave each full member 1.4mil per year.

(02-13-2012 10:38 AM)templefan1 Wrote: [ -> ]Bull,

If the Alliance happens, they are banking on renegotiating the contacts regardless.

The MAC pays what, $100,000 a year per school? That is horrible...
C-USA and the MWC schools get about $1.3-$1.5 Mil per school...I would think the Alliance contract would maybe be a little less per schools but that is still 10+ times more than the MAC...

Temple would make of the $2m exit fee for the MAC in 2 years in C_USA...

If Temple went to the BigE from C-USA and the TV contact is as expected...the $5mil would be a non issue...

Ok please try to look at history...

1) That contract was forged when programs like Houston, UCF, and Memphis were all in the conference. I might be mistaken but those are the three biggest markets CUSA had (or damn near it). They are also (when you throw in SMU) most of the competitive teams in that conference.

2) The last time the Big East raided CUSA their contract was significantly reduced and thats when they had the Houston and Memphis draws. This time it *is* going to happen again. And it was not a little drop last time, the contract lost between 75-85% of its value (I don't care to look it up but its in that neighborhood).

losing 75% of the contract this time is possible and could mean you wont be getting 1 mil per school but about 250K, 500K tops.

3) In the same way the WMC contract was drawn up when they were on the cusp of being a legit AQ league, something they are not even near being now. Air Force may be the next to go btw.

4) This is not a 'sum is greater than the parts' story any more. This is every team in CUSA and the MWC *not* worthy of a better place in college football. And it's an enormous footprint. And the markets are not even that good anymore (except rice I suppose).

5) Temple has a two million dollar buyout with the MAC and would be subject to a five million dollar buyout in CUSA. That 7 Million but if we assume CUSA is really nice and sets your buyout there at 2 million then fine, that's four million dollars.

You're talking close to a decade to make your money back on the move.

i agree, the hit to cusa's tv contract is going to be massive. i don't see how an alliance with another conference that has lost everything of value as well changes that. my guess is that each school will recieve much less than 1 million when the ink dries - and it may be something considerably less visible than espn or a major network.

(02-13-2012 10:48 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2012 10:38 AM)templefan1 Wrote: [ -> ]Bull,

If the Alliance happens, they are banking on renegotiating the contacts regardless.

The MAC pays what, $100,000 a year per school? That is horrible...
C-USA and the MWC schools get about $1.3-$1.5 Mil per school...I would think the Alliance contract would maybe be a little less per schools but that is still 10+ times more than the MAC...

Temple would make of the $2m exit fee for the MAC in 2 years in C_USA...

If Temple went to the BigE from C-USA and the TV contact is as expected...the $5mil would be a non issue...

Ok please try to look at history...

1) That contract was forged when programs like Houston, UCF, and Memphis were all in the conference. I might be mistaken but those are the three biggest markets CUSA had (or damn near it). They are also (when you throw in SMU) most of the competitive teams in that conference.

2) The last time the Big East raided CUSA their contract was significantly reduced and thats when they had the Houston and Memphis draws. This time it *is* going to happen again. And it was not a little drop last time, the contract lost between 75-85% of its value (I don't care to look it up but its in that neighborhood).

losing 75% of the contract this time is possible and could mean you wont be getting 1 mil per school but about 250K, 500K tops.

3) In the same way the WMC contract was drawn up when they were on the cusp of being a legit AQ league, something they are not even near being now. Air Force may be the next to go btw.

4) This is not a 'sum is greater than the parts' story any more. This is every team in CUSA and the MWC *not* worthy of a better place in college football. And it's an enormous footprint. And the markets are not even that good anymore (except rice I suppose).

5) Temple has a two million dollar buyout with the MAC and would be subject to a five million dollar buyout in CUSA. That 7 Million but if we assume CUSA is really nice and sets your buyout there at 2 million then fine, that's four million dollars.

You're talking close to a decade to make your money back on the move.

Yo are making a ton of assumptions...Especially using info based on a 2005 TV negotiation. That is way before the bidding war to broadcast Athletics started. Yes both leagues lost some star power...but there would still be some larger markets in the contract. New Orleans, Fresno, Fort Collins(Denver),Las Vegas, Philadelphia, Colorado Springs, Reno, Houston...

You can't look at past history with TV contracts...just doesn't work that way...Still even if it dropped below $1m per school...that is still 10 times what the MAC makes...

That two million buyout would be paid off in 4-5 years using your 500K estimate...

If Temple went to the BE after they would probably be making anywhere from $5 to $10 Mil a year on a TV contract...That doesn't take a decade of that money to pay it off...

Make no mistake about it, if football only is on the table for TU I would expect them to take it (if they are not getting a good vibe from the BE)

(02-13-2012 10:38 AM)templefan1 Wrote: [ -> ]Temple would make of the $2m exit fee for the MAC in 2 years in C_USA...

Except for the increased travel costs too, and that's assuming all your numbers are correct.

(02-13-2012 11:18 AM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2012 10:38 AM)templefan1 Wrote: [ -> ]Temple would make of the $2m exit fee for the MAC in 2 years in C_USA...

Except for the increased travel costs too, and that's assuming all your numbers are correct.

How much increased travel would their be with a football only contract?

Also, C-USA bowls are better...

(02-13-2012 11:16 AM)templefan1 Wrote: [ -> ]You are making a ton of assumptions...Especially using info based on a 2005 TV negotiation. That is way before the bidding war to broadcast Athletics started.

Umm that was exactly the time in history the bidding wars started. And the point holds that lal the good markets, and teams, in both conferences have been lost.

Quote:You can't look at past history with TV contracts...just doesn't work that way...Still even if it dropped below $1m per school...that is still 10 times what the MAC makes...

Why not that's what you're doing with the MAC contract which will be renewed in a year or two.

Quote:That two million buyout would be paid off in 4-5 years using your 500K estimate...

Yes and then paying off the CUSA buyout *if* the Big East comes calling would be 4-5 more years.

Quote:Make no mistake about it, if football only is on the table for TU I would expect them to take it (if they are not getting a good vibe from the BE)

A fool and their money...

(02-13-2012 11:18 AM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2012 10:38 AM)templefan1 Wrote: [ -> ]Temple would make of the $2m exit fee for the MAC in 2 years in C_USA...

Except for the increased travel costs too, and that's assuming all your numbers are correct.

What you mean driving to Athens, Kent, Akron, and Buffalo is cheaper than flying to New Orleans?

I'm meh on the whole Temple thing.

(02-13-2012 11:19 AM)templefan1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2012 11:18 AM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2012 10:38 AM)templefan1 Wrote: [ -> ]Temple would make of the $2m exit fee for the MAC in 2 years in C_USA...

Except for the increased travel costs too, and that's assuming all your numbers are correct.

How much increased travel would their be with a football only contract?

I don't know. Heck, I don't even know who's in CUSA.

If you think it's an extra $250K/year, then maybe the numbers favor CUSA. Of course it's harder on the students, and that actually does matter for most teams not in the SEC-W.

Point being, it's a closer call. And it's not obvious to me that LBL really offers that much benefit.

(02-13-2012 11:24 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2012 11:18 AM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2012 10:38 AM)templefan1 Wrote: [ -> ]Temple would make of the $2m exit fee for the MAC in 2 years in C_USA...

Except for the increased travel costs too, and that's assuming all your numbers are correct.

What you mean driving to Athens, Kent, Akron, and Buffalo is cheaper than flying to New Orleans?

I'm meh on the whole Temple thing.

Exactly. Meh. It's Temple's call. They don't have that much MAC history that it matters much. I'm just trying to do an honest CBA. It would impact the whole UMass thing, though.

I'd like to see Temple in for all sports, I think it would improve the MAC's image. FB only? Doesn't matter much either way.

(02-13-2012 11:28 AM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2012 11:24 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2012 11:18 AM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2012 10:38 AM)templefan1 Wrote: [ -> ]Temple would make of the $2m exit fee for the MAC in 2 years in C_USA...

Except for the increased travel costs too, and that's assuming all your numbers are correct.

What you mean driving to Athens, Kent, Akron, and Buffalo is cheaper than flying to New Orleans?

I'm meh on the whole Temple thing.

Exactly. Meh. It's Temple's call. They don't have that much MAC history that it matters much. I'm just trying to do an honest CBA. It would impact the whole UMass thing, though.

I'd like to see Temple in for all sports, I think it would improve the MAC's image. FB only? Doesn't matter much either way.

Honestly Temple leaving all sports for the LBC would help the MAC to maybe poach some of the A10 schools if thats the direction they want to go.

(02-13-2012 11:28 AM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2012 11:24 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2012 11:18 AM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2012 10:38 AM)templefan1 Wrote: [ -> ]Temple would make of the $2m exit fee for the MAC in 2 years in C_USA...

Except for the increased travel costs too, and that's assuming all your numbers are correct.

What you mean driving to Athens, Kent, Akron, and Buffalo is cheaper than flying to New Orleans?

I'm meh on the whole Temple thing.

Exactly. Meh. It's Temple's call. They don't have that much MAC history that it matters much. I'm just trying to do an honest CBA. It would impact the whole UMass thing, though.

I'd like to see Temple in for all sports, I think it would improve the MAC's image. FB only? Doesn't matter much either way.

The MAC contract isn't up til 2016-17 I think...and it is $100,000 yr per school correct?

Temple also charterss flights to all football away games. I would think the travel costs would basically be increased because of fuel. I really don't know because I personally have never chartered a plane

The MAC may see an increase in TV revenue but that is not for 5 years. Even in the Alliance makeup it warrants more money than the MAC will ever get in a TV contract...That is just the way it is.

The golden ticket is the BE. Even if Temple had a $5M buyout with CUSA they would move in a heartbeat. You are talking estimates of $5m to $10m per school a year in TV money. By my calculations Bull, it won't take a decade to pay off the total of $7mil to the MAC and C-USA...

That doesn't even take into account the increased ticket sales and corporate sponsorships that Temple would make too...

(02-13-2012 11:34 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2012 11:28 AM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2012 11:24 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2012 11:18 AM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-13-2012 10:38 AM)templefan1 Wrote: [ -> ]Temple would make of the $2m exit fee for the MAC in 2 years in C_USA...

Except for the increased travel costs too, and that's assuming all your numbers are correct.

What you mean driving to Athens, Kent, Akron, and Buffalo is cheaper than flying to New Orleans?

I'm meh on the whole Temple thing.

Exactly. Meh. It's Temple's call. They don't have that much MAC history that it matters much. I'm just trying to do an honest CBA. It would impact the whole UMass thing, though.

I'd like to see Temple in for all sports, I think it would improve the MAC's image. FB only? Doesn't matter much either way.

Honestly Temple leaving all sports for the LBC would help the MAC to maybe poach some of the A10 schools if thats the direction they want to go.

What A-10 schools would consider going to the MAC for basketball???