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Do any of you guys have any idea where he picked up the 3-3-5? While checking out his bio, I didn't see anywhere where he might have crossed paths with Joe Lee Dunn or Rocky Long.

There was an article about it the other day. Let me find it. Ah! Here it is...

This blogger thinks Casteel is on his way out the door, which I wonder about. He's looking to become a head coach, and I'm not sure taking another DC job under RR is the right path for that. But that's another story. This article does go into considerable detail about how and why Casteel picked the 3-3-5 defense for WVU...

Goodbye Jeff Casteel

Quote:Graham left for Tulsa after the 2002 and the Jeff Casteel became WVU’s sole defensive coordinator.

Casteel saw immediately that WVU had trouble recruiting the numbers needed to play to a traditional 4-3 or the then popular Wide-Tackle 6 defense Rodriguez originally wanted. The answer, Casteel thought, was the 3-3-5 Stack then used by Wake Forest.

The 3-3-5 could compensate for lack of size using unpredictability and was best suited for what WVU calls “tweeners”, the medium sized recruits, who could bulk up to linebacker size and maintain their speed.

(01-10-2012 01:49 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]There was an article about it the other day. Let me find it. Ah! Here it is...

This blogger thinks Casteel is on his way out the door, which I wonder about. He's looking to become a head coach, and I'm not sure taking another DC job under RR is the right path for that. But that's another story. This article does go into considerable detail about how and why Casteel picked the 3-3-5 defense for WVU...

Goodbye Jeff Casteel

Quote:Graham left for Tulsa after the 2002 and the Jeff Casteel became WVU’s sole defensive coordinator.

Casteel saw immediately that WVU had trouble recruiting the numbers needed to play to a traditional 4-3 or the then popular Wide-Tackle 6 defense Rodriguez originally wanted. The answer, Casteel thought, was the 3-3-5 Stack then used by Wake Forest.

The 3-3-5 could compensate for lack of size using unpredictability and was best suited for what WVU calls “tweeners”, the medium sized recruits, who could bulk up to linebacker size and maintain their speed.

Hmm, I wonder if he picked it up from the WF staff and if so, where they picked it up from?

Interesting trying to find out the genealogy of the defense.

I have no idea where Wake got the idea from, dude. But it would be interesting to learn about the origins of the 3-3-5 defensive alignment...

One quick Google fixed that...

Joe Lee Dunn is credited with creating the defensive alignment in 1991 for McMurry State. Dunn took the defense to Mississippi State, where he had the nation's #1 rated defense in 1999 using the 3-3-5...

(01-10-2012 02:29 PM)k5james Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-10-2012 01:49 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]There was an article about it the other day. Let me find it. Ah! Here it is...

This blogger thinks Casteel is on his way out the door, which I wonder about. He's looking to become a head coach, and I'm not sure taking another DC job under RR is the right path for that. But that's another story. This article does go into considerable detail about how and why Casteel picked the 3-3-5 defense for WVU...

Goodbye Jeff Casteel

Quote:Graham left for Tulsa after the 2002 and the Jeff Casteel became WVU’s sole defensive coordinator.

Casteel saw immediately that WVU had trouble recruiting the numbers needed to play to a traditional 4-3 or the then popular Wide-Tackle 6 defense Rodriguez originally wanted. The answer, Casteel thought, was the 3-3-5 Stack then used by Wake Forest.

The 3-3-5 could compensate for lack of size using unpredictability and was best suited for what WVU calls “tweeners”, the medium sized recruits, who could bulk up to linebacker size and maintain their speed.

Hmm, I wonder if he picked it up from the WF staff and if so, where they picked it up from?

Interesting trying to find out the genealogy of the defense.

Hey James, do you know if Rocky employed the 3-3-5 as the DC at Ucla? I couldn't find any confirmation that he did and suspect he utilized it at New Mexico for the very reasons mentioned above.

(01-10-2012 02:38 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]I have no idea where Wake got the idea from, dude. But it would be interesting to learn about the origins of the 3-3-5 defensive alignment...

One quick Google fixed that...

Joe Lee Dunn is credited with creating the defensive alignment in 1991 for McMurry State. Dunn took the defense to Mississippi State, where he had the nation's #1 rated defense in 1999 using the 3-3-5...

Joe Lee Dunn is definitely "ground zero" of the defense. Rocky Long was probably the next one to propagate it. I'm just trying to trying to find the link from Dunn or Long to Casteel as I love the way he runs it.

There aren't many guys in the business that run it so it shouldn't be too hard to trace it back.

(01-10-2012 02:45 PM)motown monty Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-10-2012 02:29 PM)k5james Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-10-2012 01:49 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]There was an article about it the other day. Let me find it. Ah! Here it is...

This blogger thinks Casteel is on his way out the door, which I wonder about. He's looking to become a head coach, and I'm not sure taking another DC job under RR is the right path for that. But that's another story. This article does go into considerable detail about how and why Casteel picked the 3-3-5 defense for WVU...

Goodbye Jeff Casteel

Quote:Graham left for Tulsa after the 2002 and the Jeff Casteel became WVU’s sole defensive coordinator.

Casteel saw immediately that WVU had trouble recruiting the numbers needed to play to a traditional 4-3 or the then popular Wide-Tackle 6 defense Rodriguez originally wanted. The answer, Casteel thought, was the 3-3-5 Stack then used by Wake Forest.

The 3-3-5 could compensate for lack of size using unpredictability and was best suited for what WVU calls “tweeners”, the medium sized recruits, who could bulk up to linebacker size and maintain their speed.

Hmm, I wonder if he picked it up from the WF staff and if so, where they picked it up from?

Interesting trying to find out the genealogy of the defense.

Hey James, do you know if Rocky employed the 3-3-5 as the DC at Ucla? I couldn't find any confirmation that he did and suspect he utilized it at New Mexico for the very reasons mentioned above.

Yes he did. He installed it at Oregon State in '92 and hasn't looked back since.

Here's the Google search I did to find the link for Dunn. Maybe the other link you're looking for is in that search on the origins of the 3-3-5...

Here's a good article on the defense and its origins from the local fish wrap...

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2009/sep/...t&page=all

I know Southern Miss used the 3-3-5 back in the 1990s.

I know Southern Miss used the 3-3-5 back in the 1990s. And think about it, 3-3-5 can actually be:

3-3-5
3-4-4
4-3-4
4-2-5
5-2-4
5-3-3
6-2-3
6-3-2

This can all be done while lining up in 3-3-5, it all just depends on who you blitz or drop when the ball is snapped. It works well, with smaller fast defenses.

It's especially effective against running teams. I don't think any school running the 3-3-5 has finished outside the top 50 rush defenses ever...

It really makes it hard on the QBs to read, also. It is based on deception.

Not really, Wilkie. It's based on speed. Deception allows that speed to overcome their other disadvantages...

(01-10-2012 03:07 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]It's especially effective against running teams. I don't think any school running the 3-3-5 has finished outside the top 50 rush defenses ever...

If you don't count teams that play 3 option teams and Denard Robinson in one season.

(01-10-2012 03:07 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]It's especially effective against running teams. I don't think any school running the 3-3-5 has finished outside the top 50 rush defenses ever...

Haha I hate to be THAT guy, bit but..

http://www.cfbstats.com/2011/leader/nati...ort01.html

Facts do not lie!

(01-10-2012 03:17 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]Not really, Wilkie. It's based on speed. Deception allows that speed to overcome their other disadvantages...

Speed is a given, all defense are based on speed and agility.

(01-10-2012 04:19 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-10-2012 03:17 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]Not really, Wilkie. It's based on speed. Deception allows that speed to overcome their other disadvantages...

Speed is a given, all defense are based on speed and agility.

Not to the degree it is valued in the 3-3-5. More often than not teams running a 3-3-5 will take a 260 lb DL over a 300+lb DL unless he's an absolute freak of nature.

So I missed it by 5, cinbin. Minor details...