At a high school game over the weekend, a player saved a ball from going OB to himself and ended up dunking on the other end. But it is easier to explain by showing the video. Is a no call the right one? I found a lot of things controversial about this. You tell me, I'm not totally sure yet.
Actually it looks legal, but is a judgment call. It looks like he was dribbling the ball, not passing it to himself. You cannot step out of bounds as long as you are not touching the ball when you step out and you are back in bounds before you touch it. You can dribble the ball where you dribble it ahead of yourself and take a couple of steps before touching it with your hand again. It is not travelling because you are still in your dribbling motion. The judgment call is whether or not he dribbled it too far ahead of himself, losing control of the ball for a moment, before he got back to it. But the actual act of dribbling never stopped. I can see that one going either way by the referee.
Isn't there a rule, like in football, about going out of bounds, returning to the field of play and not being allowed to be the first to touch the ball?
First of all, there was no "call," the ref was protecting himself. They're permitted to do that. I don't see how you would consider he even saw the play to call the play?
Would you consider him to have had control of the ball before he went out of bounds? If not, and I wouldn't, I don't think the rest of the concerns even come in to play. If he could be considered to have control, then I believe when either he or the ball touches out of bounds, it's turnover.
If any foul should be called it should be on blue for not even attempting to protect the ball when the defender was clearly there. Looked like me on the court.
EDIT:
Looked at the slow-mo again and caught the edge. Looks like got a couple dribbles in and maybe even touched the ball while he was himself out of bounds. But there was no "call." The play happened behind the ref's back.
What I saw was the ball bounced on the line(ref didn't see it, it was very close) and then after he comes back in... he picks it up with two hands and then dribbles again. The camera work isn't great so it's hard to see, but I think the correct call was a double dribble.
(01-08-2012 10:59 AM)owen Wrote: [ -> ]i don't see any reason to blow a whistle
He taps the balls, saving it from going out of bounds before he ever goes out of bounds.
Then he recovers the tapped ball himself.
The poster and commentator is completely wrong.
We were losing by 30. I needed something to go the Titans way. It was a very unique play, and something looked like it had to be wrong. I still think it was a double dribble(2 hands touched the ball after he came back in bounds)
You can have a discontinued dribble - which is what I believe this would be. As long as the ball stayed loosed on the floor and was not possessed then dribbled again - it is not a double dribble. There is a also what is called an "air dribble" - which is basically a pass to yourself. You cannot dribble before or after an "air dribble" - or it is a double dribble. That was not an air dribble.
I'm relying on my memory on these calls going way way back when I used to ref intermural games - so I am by no means an expert. Usually my memory is pretty good - but it also gets selective at times. Best response - I'm not sure if a violation occurred or not - but I don't think so.
(01-08-2012 05:16 PM)MotoRocket Wrote: [ -> ]You can have a discontinued dribble - which is what I believe this would be. As long as the ball stayed loosed on the floor and was not possessed then dribbled again - it is not a double dribble. There is a also what is called an "air dribble" - which is basically a pass to yourself. You cannot dribble before or after an "air dribble" - or it is a double dribble. That was not an air dribble.
I'm relying on my memory on these calls going way way back when I used to ref intermural games - so I am by no means an expert. Usually my memory is pretty good - but it also gets selective at times. Best response - I'm not sure if a violation occurred or not - but I don't think so.
I dont think you understand what I am saying. Freeze it at :27 seconds. He =picked it up, and kind of stutter stepped then dribbled again. His first dribble was right when he bounced it near the line after the steal, then he picked it up and dribbled again.
(01-08-2012 05:16 PM)MotoRocket Wrote: [ -> ]You can have a discontinued dribble - which is what I believe this would be. As long as the ball stayed loosed on the floor and was not possessed then dribbled again - it is not a double dribble. There is a also what is called an "air dribble" - which is basically a pass to yourself. You cannot dribble before or after an "air dribble" - or it is a double dribble. That was not an air dribble.
I'm relying on my memory on these calls going way way back when I used to ref intermural games - so I am by no means an expert. Usually my memory is pretty good - but it also gets selective at times. Best response - I'm not sure if a violation occurred or not - but I don't think so.
I dont think you understand what I am saying. Freeze it at :27 seconds. He =picked it up, and kind of stutter stepped then dribbled again. His first dribble was right when he bounced it near the line after the steal, then he picked it up and dribbled again.
Missed that the first couple of times I looked at it. What I am seeing is he picked the ball up after coming back in from out of bounds - switched hands without a dribble - then continued dribbling. I don't think that is a legal move and should be a double dribble. You cannot dribble - switch it from one hand to the other - and then continue to dribble. The only way to switch hands is after a dribble (crossover dribble from one hand to the other hand) or to stop the dribble and switch hands with the ball - but you cannot start dribbling again. That is my best guess as to why it would be a violation.
(01-08-2012 05:16 PM)MotoRocket Wrote: [ -> ]You can have a discontinued dribble - which is what I believe this would be. As long as the ball stayed loosed on the floor and was not possessed then dribbled again - it is not a double dribble. There is a also what is called an "air dribble" - which is basically a pass to yourself. You cannot dribble before or after an "air dribble" - or it is a double dribble. That was not an air dribble.
I'm relying on my memory on these calls going way way back when I used to ref intermural games - so I am by no means an expert. Usually my memory is pretty good - but it also gets selective at times. Best response - I'm not sure if a violation occurred or not - but I don't think so.
I dont think you understand what I am saying. Freeze it at :27 seconds. He =picked it up, and kind of stutter stepped then dribbled again. His first dribble was right when he bounced it near the line after the steal, then he picked it up and dribbled again.
No one cares!!! Take it to the SJJ message board!!!
(01-08-2012 10:59 AM)owen Wrote: [ -> ]i don't see any reason to blow a whistle
He taps the balls, saving it from going out of bounds before he ever goes out of bounds.
Then he recovers the tapped ball himself.
The poster and commentator is completely wrong.
We were losing by 30. I needed something to go the Titans way. It was a very unique play, and something looked like it had to be wrong. I still think it was a double dribble(2 hands touched the ball after he came back in bounds)
(01-08-2012 05:16 PM)MotoRocket Wrote: [ -> ]You can have a discontinued dribble - which is what I believe this would be. As long as the ball stayed loosed on the floor and was not possessed then dribbled again - it is not a double dribble. There is a also what is called an "air dribble" - which is basically a pass to yourself. You cannot dribble before or after an "air dribble" - or it is a double dribble. That was not an air dribble.
I'm relying on my memory on these calls going way way back when I used to ref intermural games - so I am by no means an expert. Usually my memory is pretty good - but it also gets selective at times. Best response - I'm not sure if a violation occurred or not - but I don't think so.
I dont think you understand what I am saying. Freeze it at :27 seconds. He =picked it up, and kind of stutter stepped then dribbled again. His first dribble was right when he bounced it near the line after the steal, then he picked it up and dribbled again.
No one cares!!! Take it to the SJJ message board!!!
Good thing these keyboards don't have real ammo.
Hey UTF, here's how you're going to make your billion bucks. You're going to make a sports message board that takes place in one of those on-line worlds where people can shoot at each other. Though I want the chainsaw.
I wonder why that hasn't been done yet? Or has it?
(01-08-2012 05:16 PM)MotoRocket Wrote: [ -> ]You can have a discontinued dribble - which is what I believe this would be. As long as the ball stayed loosed on the floor and was not possessed then dribbled again - it is not a double dribble. There is a also what is called an "air dribble" - which is basically a pass to yourself. You cannot dribble before or after an "air dribble" - or it is a double dribble. That was not an air dribble.
I'm relying on my memory on these calls going way way back when I used to ref intermural games - so I am by no means an expert. Usually my memory is pretty good - but it also gets selective at times. Best response - I'm not sure if a violation occurred or not - but I don't think so.
I dont think you understand what I am saying. Freeze it at :27 seconds. He =picked it up, and kind of stutter stepped then dribbled again. His first dribble was right when he bounced it near the line after the steal, then he picked it up and dribbled again.
No one cares!!! Take it to the SJJ message board!!!
You cared enough to comment on it. Easiest way to end a thread is to ignore it
Good thing these keyboards don't have real ammo.