Is to forget the past few seasons and bring in Marshall. Then, lets keep raiding C-USA and bring along Memphis. The reasons are in the article, but if the MAC thinks big, this seems like a great move. Lets stop being jilted lovers and bring back the Herd!
http://themacdaily.com/index.php?p=1_200
I'm on board wit dat....as long as the Herd is on the "back-end" of the deal.
(12-08-2011 11:35 AM)CHIPPEWA ENEMA Wrote: [ -> ]I'm on board wit dat....as long as the Herd is on the "back-end" of the deal.
I think it's a both or none. If the MAC can grab one team, the other would likely start sweating about its conference future and come along for the ride. At least in my perfect world.
(12-08-2011 11:41 AM)psc2009 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2011 11:35 AM)CHIPPEWA ENEMA Wrote: [ -> ]I'm on board wit dat....as long as the Herd is on the "back-end" of the deal.
I think it's a both or none. If the MAC can grab one team, the other would likely start sweating about its conference future and come along for the ride. At least in my perfect world.
No objection to a "double-header," Your Honor.
The problem is that even in its weakened state, CUSA is still a better option than the MAC financially and competitively. Couple that with the potential merger with the MWC and I don't think the MAC will be doing any raiding
(12-08-2011 11:44 AM)mufanatehc Wrote: [ -> ]The problem is that even in its weakened state, CUSA is still a better option than the MAC financially and competitively. Couple that with the potential merger with the MWC and I don't think the MAC will be doing any raiding
Please, spare us the pfhucking hubris!
(12-08-2011 11:44 AM)mufanatehc Wrote: [ -> ]The problem is that even in its weakened state, CUSA is still a better option than the MAC financially and competitively. Couple that with the potential merger with the MWC and I don't think the MAC will be doing any raiding
That's what has me curious. As of this moment, yes, C-USA is still better. But, if this happens? I disagree. The league already is losing two major markets in football and two of its five bowl teams. Then, throw in the lost championship game, and I wonder.
From a hoops standpoint, it's a league that's Memphis and everyone else anyway. This move wouldn't help Marshall be more competitive in basketball, but it would make for better games.
Most Marshall fans have little regard for the MAC, and are very happy to be in C-USA. I do think some of their fans wish that C-USA has rivals in the conference that were closer so they could go to away games...for that reason I believe most Herd fans like the OU-Marshall football series. Marshall was much more of a "household" name when they were in the MAC, though...now they are an "also ran" in C-USA in football, and their other men's sports haven't fared much better (although they have a good b-ball team this year). I do recall many a Herd fan denigrating the MAC schools for not having "traveling fans" to come to Huntington...I don't think they've seen a lot of C-USA fans coming to town, either, due to distance.
The only way the MAC and Marshall get back together is if C-USA disintegrates and the MAC is the one and only DIA conference option. As for Memphis, it still has brand equity in hoops and may very well end up in the new BE, whereas Marshall will not have that opportunity.
(12-08-2011 11:20 AM)psc2009 Wrote: [ -> ]Is to forget the past few seasons and bring in Marshall. Then, lets keep raiding C-USA and bring along Memphis. The reasons are in the article, but if the MAC thinks big, this seems like a great move. Lets stop being jilted lovers and bring back the Herd!
The Herd brings nothing to the MAC. And since they don't like the MAC, let's just keep them apart.
This is the kind of mentality that led to the formation of Jugoslavia.
(12-08-2011 11:55 AM)psc2009 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2011 11:44 AM)mufanatehc Wrote: [ -> ]The problem is that even in its weakened state, CUSA is still a better option than the MAC financially and competitively. Couple that with the potential merger with the MWC and I don't think the MAC will be doing any raiding
That's what has me curious. As of this moment, yes, C-USA is still better. But, if this happens? I disagree. The league already is losing two major markets in football and two of its five bowl teams. Then, throw in the lost championship game, and I wonder.
From a hoops standpoint, it's a league that's Memphis and everyone else anyway. This move wouldn't help Marshall be more competitive in basketball, but it would make for better games.
You're forgetting the potential merger with the MWC. Also, USM and Tulsa will still be very good programs and we still have Rice in Houston and can pick up FIU or UNT whenever we want.
Also, Marshall is the solid #2 in BBall this season in CUSA, and most forecasters have us splitting the season series with Memphis with a legit chance at an at-large bid. I think we're doing just fine where we are.
To be honest, I think Marshall, ECU, UAB, USM, and maybe Memphis will be together for a very long time.
Marshall come back for a THIRD time? Stranger things have happened, but I think not.
Isn't it curious, however, Herd fans used to brag about how their football fans "traveled" so well in the MAC? Due to greatly increased distances, road visitations by fans have all but gone away in CUSA and it will go "poof" if their league schedule starts including teams from the Mountain West.
The CUSA boards are talking about adding Temple and Ohio.
Would Ohio leave their Miami, Akron, Kent St in state rivalry/easy travel to play in a division with...UAB, Rice, Tulane, Tulsa, So Miss, ECU, Marshall, Memphis & Temple? (UTEP said to go to the West division)
I think they would be better off adding FIU, FAU & LT.
(12-08-2011 01:09 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote: [ -> ]The CUSA boards are talking about adding Temple and Ohio.
Would Ohio leave their Miami, Akron, Kent St in state rivalry/easy travel to play in a division with...UAB, Rice, Tulane, Tulsa, So Miss, ECU, Marshall, Memphis & Temple? (UTEP said to go to the West division)
I think they would be better off adding FIU, FAU & LT.
God, I hope not. CUSA is just about as unattractive a conference as I can see joining right now. Hugely increased travel expenses, complete disintegration of our rivalries, a continuing threat of the conference changing daily, all for a marginal increase in competition. No thanks.
It's always important to remind ourselves that the vast majority of fans posting on these forums haven't a clue as to what is really plausible and/or possible when it comes to conference realignment. I really don't think any MAC schools would be on the "radar" for C-USA if they try to shore up their numbers...with this far flung alliance thing now going into place I don't see why they'd add new teams anyway. I have seen postings on the C-USA board that there may be a desire to replace lost TV markets (Houston, Dallas, Florida) by adding a newbie like FIU/FAU and/or N. Texas (which is in Denton near Dallas/Ft Worth). MAC schools don't help much in terms of TV sets except perhaps for Temple to some degree in the Philly market.
Also, it's ironic to me that so many C-USA posters seem to delight in any failures of the Big East to attract the likes of AFA and Navy. Don't they realize that if these schools decline, Memphis and ECU (and maybe Temple) are probably next on the "hit parade" for invitations. Without Houston and Memphis, C-USA hoops is a one bid league period, and ECU is their strongest football franchise in terms of fan support and attendance. (and the only C-USA school even remotely near Huntington).
Memphis won't go to the MAC unless things go absolutely insane.
(12-08-2011 02:50 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote: [ -> ]Memphis won't go to the MAC unless things go absolutely insane.
Temple and Memphis (MemPle or Temphis if you wish) as all sports members is an intriguing thought. Far fetched I understand, but still interesting.
(12-08-2011 03:06 PM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2011 02:50 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote: [ -> ]Memphis won't go to the MAC unless things go absolutely insane.
Temple and Memphis (MemPle or Temphis if you wish) as all sports members is an intriguing thought. Far fetched I understand, but still interesting.
Oh I agree that if they did consider it that it would be very interesting. I just put no stock into it currently just like some people saying UConn to the MAC if the BE dies for football.
If the MAC and Sun Belt could stand strong and members refused to jump ship, Conference USA would be finished. After being raided, they are going to have to replace those teams, they will try to do so from our two leagues. I'd LOVE to see the collapse of C-USA. both the MAC and Belt could cherry pick some new teams from the left overs and probably split their bowls.
it happened to the WAC, I don't see how C-USA is any different.
(12-09-2011 12:45 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote: [ -> ]If the MAC and Sun Belt could stand strong and members refused to jump ship, Conference USA would be finished. After being raided, they are going to have to replace those teams, they will try to do so from our two leagues. I'd LOVE to see the collapse of C-USA. both the MAC and Belt could cherry pick some new teams from the left overs and probably split their bowls.
it happened to the WAC, I don't see how C-USA is any different.
The MAC teams may resist since the remaining teams have so much history, common ties, and cheap costs compared to CUSA ad CUSA doesn't bring that much more especially right now.
The Belt will have a harder time I would think especially since geographic and culture ties overlap more between the Belt and CUSA but I wish you luck.
(12-09-2011 12:45 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote: [ -> ]If the MAC and Sun Belt could stand strong and members refused to jump ship, Conference USA would be finished. After being raided, they are going to have to replace those teams, they will try to do so from our two leagues. I'd LOVE to see the collapse of C-USA. both the MAC and Belt could cherry pick some new teams from the left overs and probably split their bowls.
it happened to the WAC, I don't see how C-USA is any different.
Good point. Not sure the mega-alliance will last if it does go through, especially if all sports. If it does they may not have any initial desire to add teams by raiding other conferences. What would they have number wise 15 to 20 teams? Depending on whether the MWC adds those two or three teams they had pretty much agreed to add. If AQ goes away will make it harder to really do anything in such a large conference.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball.../16369279/