What will it be....4 or will it be 5 MAC teams bowling this season? Will the MAC be able to garner that 5th bowl slot by getting a bowl to bypass WKU? I sense BSU will be staying home, but can the MAC and its bowl affiliates even the odds by placing WMU in the LCB? In the process I would hate to see a more deserving bowl team like Temple or UT get left out, though.
(12-04-2011 01:02 AM)exCincy Kid Wrote: [ -> ]What will it be....4 or will it be 5 MAC teams bowling this season? Will the MAC be able to garner that 5th bowl slot by getting a bowl to bypass WKU? I sense BSU will be staying home, but can the MAC and its bowl affiliates even the odds by placing WMU in the LCB? In the process I would hate to see a more deserving bowl team like Temple or UT get left out, though.
I don't know if I'd necessarily say Temple is more deserving than WMU, despite the 8-4 vs. 7-5 record:
Common opponents:
Akron - Both teams won, but WMU won by a wider margin
Toledo - Both teams lost, but Temple lost by a wider margin
Ball State - Both teams won, but Temple won by a wider margin
BGSU - WMU won, Temple lost
Miami - Both teams won, oddly both won by the same margin
Both beat BCS teams on the road, although Maryland is 2-10 and UConn is 5-7.
Only reasons Temple may get the nod is due to a much larger market in Philly, a bit more "name recognition" with stronger hoops and past affiliation with the Big East, and not being snubbed two years in a row with an 8-win record. But on the field, I don't think Temple beats WMU if they played.
WMU had a much tougher OOC schedule too. 3 BCS teams on the road
(12-04-2011 01:29 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2011 01:02 AM)exCincy Kid Wrote: [ -> ]What will it be....4 or will it be 5 MAC teams bowling this season? Will the MAC be able to garner that 5th bowl slot by getting a bowl to bypass WKU? I sense BSU will be staying home, but can the MAC and its bowl affiliates even the odds by placing WMU in the LCB? In the process I would hate to see a more deserving bowl team like Temple or UT get left out, though.
I don't know if I'd necessarily say Temple is more deserving than WMU, despite the 8-4 vs. 7-5 record:
Common opponents:
Akron - Both teams won, but WMU won by a wider margin
Toledo - Both teams lost, but Temple lost by a wider margin
Ball State - Both teams won, but Temple won by a wider margin
BGSU - WMU won, Temple lost
Miami - Both teams won, oddly both won by the same margin
Both beat BCS teams on the road, although Maryland is 2-10 and UConn is 5-7.
Only reasons Temple may get the nod is due to a much larger market in Philly, a bit more "name recognition" with stronger hoops and past affiliation with the Big East, and not being snubbed two years in a row with an 8-win record. But on the field, I don't think Temple beats WMU if they played.
transitive property much???
I see 5 MAC teams bowling.
The two teams I think will be left out are WKU and Ball State.
EDIT: Although, since I am not scared to go out on a limb (look at my past posts, I am actually accurate on some of my "crazy" predictions), I will say that it wouldn't surprise me if one of the teams left out is Illinois (not much of a limb, I know, but I'm not calling this likely or probably just possible and not shocking if so).
(12-04-2011 09:17 AM)Howl-n-Prowl Wrote: [ -> ]I see 5 MAC teams bowling.
The two teams I think will be left out are WKU and Ball State.
There are 73 bowl eligible teams, so 3 get left out...I agree with WKU & BSU...flip a coin for either Western MIch or Louisiana-Lafayette/FL Intl...Think WMU gets left out unless some team rejects a bid (not likely)
(12-04-2011 09:33 AM)wleakr Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2011 09:17 AM)Howl-n-Prowl Wrote: [ -> ]I see 5 MAC teams bowling.
The two teams I think will be left out are WKU and Ball State.
There are 73 bowl eligible teams, so 3 get left out...I agree with WKU & BSU...flip a coin for either Western MIch or Louisiana-Lafayette/FL Intl...Think WMU gets left out unless some team rejects a bid (not likely)
73 bowl eligible teams, but Miami (FL) has already declined. So 2 others will be left out.
(12-04-2011 09:33 AM)wleakr Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2011 09:17 AM)Howl-n-Prowl Wrote: [ -> ]I see 5 MAC teams bowling.
The two teams I think will be left out are WKU and Ball State.
There are 73 bowl eligible teams, so 3 get left out...I agree with WKU & BSU...flip a coin for either Western MIch or Louisiana-Lafayette/FL Intl...Think WMU gets left out unless some team rejects a bid (not likely)
There are 73 teams, but Miami declined a bowl. ULaLa has already accepted an invite to play in New Orleans Bowl, FIU has accepted an invite to play in the St Petersburg Bowl.
So I would guess that Ball St and WKU are the two left out. If it is two MAC teams, the only two again, that would $uck!!!
(12-04-2011 09:39 AM)niubrad00 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2011 09:33 AM)wleakr Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2011 09:17 AM)Howl-n-Prowl Wrote: [ -> ]I see 5 MAC teams bowling.
The two teams I think will be left out are WKU and Ball State.
There are 73 bowl eligible teams, so 3 get left out...I agree with WKU & BSU...flip a coin for either Western MIch or Louisiana-Lafayette/FL Intl...Think WMU gets left out unless some team rejects a bid (not likely)
73 bowl eligible teams, but Miami (FL) has already declined. So 2 others will be left out.
What he said.
Plus, "Louisiana-Lafayette/FL Intl" both have already accepted bids.
(12-04-2011 09:39 AM)Rocket A Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2011 09:33 AM)wleakr Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2011 09:17 AM)Howl-n-Prowl Wrote: [ -> ]I see 5 MAC teams bowling.
The two teams I think will be left out are WKU and Ball State.
There are 73 bowl eligible teams, so 3 get left out...I agree with WKU & BSU...flip a coin for either Western MIch or Louisiana-Lafayette/FL Intl...Think WMU gets left out unless some team rejects a bid (not likely)
There are 73 teams, but Miami declined a bowl. ULaLa has already accepted an invite to play in New Orleans Bowl, FIU has accepted an invite to play in the St Petersburg Bowl.
So I would guess that Ball St and WKU are the two left out. If it is two MAC teams, the only two again, that would $uck!!!
I wrote this on another thread:
(12-04-2011 09:35 AM)Howl-n-Prowl Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2011 12:43 AM)exCincy Kid Wrote: [ -> ]Will WKU and DIAA newbie beat out a 5th MAC bowl berth due to it slightly more southern proximity? I see an updated bowl projection by Jerry Palm that says just that with UT, NIU, OU and Temple bowling but WMU staying home.
Maybe that's why Pizza bowl officials were rumored to be meeting with/interested in WMU.
Maybe they know that if they take WMU, then the MAC teams fighting for that final spot against wku would be Temple or Toledo, both of which I (and probably most other people) would give the heads-up to.
(12-04-2011 09:44 AM)Howl-n-Prowl Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2011 09:39 AM)Rocket A Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2011 09:33 AM)wleakr Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2011 09:17 AM)Howl-n-Prowl Wrote: [ -> ]I see 5 MAC teams bowling.
The two teams I think will be left out are WKU and Ball State.
There are 73 bowl eligible teams, so 3 get left out...I agree with WKU & BSU...flip a coin for either Western MIch or Louisiana-Lafayette/FL Intl...Think WMU gets left out unless some team rejects a bid (not likely)
There are 73 teams, but Miami declined a bowl. ULaLa has already accepted an invite to play in New Orleans Bowl, FIU has accepted an invite to play in the St Petersburg Bowl.
So I would guess that Ball St and WKU are the two left out. If it is two MAC teams, the only two again, that would $uck!!!
I wrote this on another thread:
(12-04-2011 09:35 AM)Howl-n-Prowl Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2011 12:43 AM)exCincy Kid Wrote: [ -> ]Will WKU and DIAA newbie beat out a 5th MAC bowl berth due to it slightly more southern proximity? I see an updated bowl projection by Jerry Palm that says just that with UT, NIU, OU and Temple bowling but WMU staying home.
Maybe that's why Pizza bowl officials were rumored to be meeting with/interested in WMU.
Maybe they know that if they take WMU, then the MAC teams fighting for that final spot against wku would be Temple or Toledo, both of which I (and probably most other people) would give the heads-up to.
The LCB wants WMU for the same reason that ST. Pete wants FIU. They are figuring that the Broncos will bring 20k to the game. I wont guarantee that, but 15k should at least be a shoe in which is better than most schools will bring to any of the Bowls.
Side bar:
If we are going to have so many Bowls than there should be more regional ones. Lose some of the failing ones in the south and get sopme Bowls in Indy, Minny and Chi Town! No city should have 2 Bowls...ie New Orleans
It's fairly simple. The MAC has four bids guaranteed (primaries plus San Fran) and has five guaranteed (add New Mexico) if Stanford gets a BCS at large.
Stanford is ranked fourth in the BCS, and if it stays that way they automatically get a BCS bid. Even if they slip though, I bet they get picked. I'm projecting the MAC with five bids, and BSU and WKU get left out.
Also, I'd expect SF to trade Temple to the Military Bowl (one of two bowls with at large openings) for Northwestern or Iowa State.
Okay I just realized the two teams behind Stanford (VA Tech and Houston) both lost.
Stanford will stay in the top 4.
The MAC WILL get five.
Final Max Power MAC bowl projections:
1. Mobile - NIU v. Arkansas State
2. Detroit - WMU v. Purdue
3. Boise - Ohio v. Utah State
4. DC - Temple (traded from San Fran) v. Northwestern
5. Albuquerque - Toledo v. San Diego State
(12-04-2011 09:16 AM)templefan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2011 01:29 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2011 01:02 AM)exCincy Kid Wrote: [ -> ]What will it be....4 or will it be 5 MAC teams bowling this season? Will the MAC be able to garner that 5th bowl slot by getting a bowl to bypass WKU? I sense BSU will be staying home, but can the MAC and its bowl affiliates even the odds by placing WMU in the LCB? In the process I would hate to see a more deserving bowl team like Temple or UT get left out, though.
I don't know if I'd necessarily say Temple is more deserving than WMU, despite the 8-4 vs. 7-5 record:
Common opponents:
Akron - Both teams won, but WMU won by a wider margin
Toledo - Both teams lost, but Temple lost by a wider margin
Ball State - Both teams won, but Temple won by a wider margin
BGSU - WMU won, Temple lost
Miami - Both teams won, oddly both won by the same margin
Both beat BCS teams on the road, although Maryland is 2-10 and UConn is 5-7.
Only reasons Temple may get the nod is due to a much larger market in Philly, a bit more "name recognition" with stronger hoops and past affiliation with the Big East, and not being snubbed two years in a row with an 8-win record. But on the field, I don't think Temple beats WMU if they played.
transitive property much???
Yeah, I knew that'd be the knee-jerk response as soon as I posted that.
I'm responding to the commonly accepted notion that Temple would/should be accepted over WMU. On what grounds? Based on what evidence?
With a lack of a head-to-head game, I present the next best thing which is 5 common opponents. Despite these, I won't even claim that WMU 'deserves' to be picked ahead of Temple. But what I'm doing is placing the burden of proof on TU... on what grounds do we automatically assume Temple 'deserves' to be picked ahead of WMU? Why is this so commonly accepted? If it's simply based on "8 wins" versus "7 wins", then let's trade your home Army game with our road Illinois game and see what might've happened.
1. Mobile - NIU vs. Arkansas State
2. Detroit - Toledo vs. Northwestern
3. Boise - Ohio vs. Utah State
4. Frisco - Temple vs. UCLA
5. Albuquerque - WMU vs. San Diego State
EDIT: I'm struggling with the MAC losing the BBVA, part of me believes that it still comes through for the MAC.
1. Mobile - NIU vs. Arkansas State
2. Detroit - WMU vs. Northwestern
3. Boise - Ohio vs. Utah State
4. Birmingham - Toledo vs. Pittsburgh
5. Albuquerque - Temple vs. San Diego State
(12-04-2011 10:38 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2011 09:16 AM)templefan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2011 01:29 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2011 01:02 AM)exCincy Kid Wrote: [ -> ]What will it be....4 or will it be 5 MAC teams bowling this season? Will the MAC be able to garner that 5th bowl slot by getting a bowl to bypass WKU? I sense BSU will be staying home, but can the MAC and its bowl affiliates even the odds by placing WMU in the LCB? In the process I would hate to see a more deserving bowl team like Temple or UT get left out, though.
I don't know if I'd necessarily say Temple is more deserving than WMU, despite the 8-4 vs. 7-5 record:
Common opponents:
Akron - Both teams won, but WMU won by a wider margin
Toledo - Both teams lost, but Temple lost by a wider margin
Ball State - Both teams won, but Temple won by a wider margin
BGSU - WMU won, Temple lost
Miami - Both teams won, oddly both won by the same margin
Both beat BCS teams on the road, although Maryland is 2-10 and UConn is 5-7.
Only reasons Temple may get the nod is due to a much larger market in Philly, a bit more "name recognition" with stronger hoops and past affiliation with the Big East, and not being snubbed two years in a row with an 8-win record. But on the field, I don't think Temple beats WMU if they played.
transitive property much???
Yeah, I knew that'd be the knee-jerk response as soon as I posted that.
I'm responding to the commonly accepted notion that Temple would/should be accepted over WMU. On what grounds? Based on what evidence?
With a lack of a head-to-head game, I present the next best thing which is 5 common opponents. Despite these, I won't even claim that WMU 'deserves' to be picked ahead of Temple. But what I'm doing is placing the burden of proof on TU... on what grounds do we automatically assume Temple 'deserves' to be picked ahead of WMU? Why is this so commonly accepted? If it's simply based on "8 wins" versus "7 wins", then let's trade your home Army game with our road Illinois game and see what might've happened.
Not saying you are right or wrong...just saying there is really no way to compare...
What I would say is that if Temple sits home again at 8-4 I would really question why we are in the MAC in the first place...
(12-04-2011 10:38 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2011 09:16 AM)templefan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2011 01:29 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2011 01:02 AM)exCincy Kid Wrote: [ -> ]What will it be....4 or will it be 5 MAC teams bowling this season? Will the MAC be able to garner that 5th bowl slot by getting a bowl to bypass WKU? I sense BSU will be staying home, but can the MAC and its bowl affiliates even the odds by placing WMU in the LCB? In the process I would hate to see a more deserving bowl team like Temple or UT get left out, though.
I don't know if I'd necessarily say Temple is more deserving than WMU, despite the 8-4 vs. 7-5 record:
Common opponents:
Akron - Both teams won, but WMU won by a wider margin
Toledo - Both teams lost, but Temple lost by a wider margin
Ball State - Both teams won, but Temple won by a wider margin
BGSU - WMU won, Temple lost
Miami - Both teams won, oddly both won by the same margin
Both beat BCS teams on the road, although Maryland is 2-10 and UConn is 5-7.
Only reasons Temple may get the nod is due to a much larger market in Philly, a bit more "name recognition" with stronger hoops and past affiliation with the Big East, and not being snubbed two years in a row with an 8-win record. But on the field, I don't think Temple beats WMU if they played.
transitive property much???
Yeah, I knew that'd be the knee-jerk response as soon as I posted that.
I'm responding to the commonly accepted notion that Temple would/should be accepted over WMU. On what grounds? Based on what evidence?
With a lack of a head-to-head game, I present the next best thing which is 5 common opponents. Despite these, I won't even claim that WMU 'deserves' to be picked ahead of Temple. But what I'm doing is placing the burden of proof on TU... on what grounds do we automatically assume Temple 'deserves' to be picked ahead of WMU? Why is this so commonly accepted? If it's simply based on "8 wins" versus "7 wins", then let's trade your home Army game with our road Illinois game and see what might've happened.
A couple of things:
1. OOC marginally better at best for WMU
2. This is bowl season, driven by TV which Temple represents a bigger market and has had very good ratings over the past 3 seasons.
3. Whether one agrees with them or not the various ratings come into to play at the end of the year and TU ranks higher then WMU in Sagarin/USA Today, CFN
(12-04-2011 11:21 AM)TUJim Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2011 10:38 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2011 09:16 AM)templefan1 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2011 01:29 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2011 01:02 AM)exCincy Kid Wrote: [ -> ]What will it be....4 or will it be 5 MAC teams bowling this season? Will the MAC be able to garner that 5th bowl slot by getting a bowl to bypass WKU? I sense BSU will be staying home, but can the MAC and its bowl affiliates even the odds by placing WMU in the LCB? In the process I would hate to see a more deserving bowl team like Temple or UT get left out, though.
I don't know if I'd necessarily say Temple is more deserving than WMU, despite the 8-4 vs. 7-5 record:
Common opponents:
Akron - Both teams won, but WMU won by a wider margin
Toledo - Both teams lost, but Temple lost by a wider margin
Ball State - Both teams won, but Temple won by a wider margin
BGSU - WMU won, Temple lost
Miami - Both teams won, oddly both won by the same margin
Both beat BCS teams on the road, although Maryland is 2-10 and UConn is 5-7.
Only reasons Temple may get the nod is due to a much larger market in Philly, a bit more "name recognition" with stronger hoops and past affiliation with the Big East, and not being snubbed two years in a row with an 8-win record. But on the field, I don't think Temple beats WMU if they played.
transitive property much???
Yeah, I knew that'd be the knee-jerk response as soon as I posted that.
I'm responding to the commonly accepted notion that Temple would/should be accepted over WMU. On what grounds? Based on what evidence?
With a lack of a head-to-head game, I present the next best thing which is 5 common opponents. Despite these, I won't even claim that WMU 'deserves' to be picked ahead of Temple. But what I'm doing is placing the burden of proof on TU... on what grounds do we automatically assume Temple 'deserves' to be picked ahead of WMU? Why is this so commonly accepted? If it's simply based on "8 wins" versus "7 wins", then let's trade your home Army game with our road Illinois game and see what might've happened.
A couple of things:
1. OOC marginally better at best for WMU
2. This is bowl season, driven by TV which Temple represents a bigger market and has had very good ratings over the past 3 seasons.
3. Whether one agrees with them or not the various ratings come into to play at the end of the year and TU ranks higher then WMU in Sagarin/USA Today, CFN
OOC of WMU much much better than Temple and the tv population is greater in Philly but Big 5 baskets and pro teams dwarf Temple football interest
(12-04-2011 12:17 PM)conaire Wrote: [ -> ]OOC of WMU much much better than Temple and the tv population is greater in Philly but Big 5 baskets and pro teams dwarf Temple football interest
Better, but I don't know if I'd say "much, much" better.
I guess the point I've been making in the thread is that on the field performance - when looked at aggregately using OOC, Sagarin, common opponents, strength of divisions, etc - is roughly equal for WMU and Temple. I think the Broncos would have a close edge in a head to head game, but it's all conjecture.
Temple has the market and a bit more 'name recognizability', and that's what gives them the advantage here.