This is good news for VT, UVA, and Maryland. That means no North South split. They don't have to worry about being put in the "Big East" division and losing out on southern recruiting and losing some long standing rivalry games.
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Hopefully Syracuse gets into the Coastal Division. Having Georgia Tech and Miami in the same division will really help our recruiting. Being able to play Virginia Tech every year should be fun, and help recruiting also. Duke, Virginia, and North Carolina are all teams that we can compete with. Makes great sense. We'll then either have Boston College or Pittsburgh as a cross division rival.
the two new schools pitt and cuse, i think cuse struggles much more than pitt in football jmho...........a small school from upstate new york should be in a div with duke.
I think Pittsburgh and Maryland need to play every year and BC and Syracuse need to play every year.
Put Syracuse in the Coastal and Pittsburgh in the Atlantic. Then have Syracuse and BC as cross division rivals and have VT and Pittsburgh as cross division rivals.
I think that's the best way to do it.
I don't mind Pitt joining either division. I would like games against VT, GT, Miami or Clemson, FSU, Maryland each year. I really think it's a win/win.
I wonder if they will go to cross-division rivals, then, and who will get paired up. I'd like Pitt paired with GT, VT, or Miami if they were to be put in the Atlantic. If they were in the Coastal, I think it would be pretty easy that MD would be the choice for Pitt.
I think I would actually prefer the Atlantic division because it would be exciting to go on some road trips to Clemson, FSU, etc.
(12-03-2011 09:17 AM)Star City Hokie Wrote: [ -> ]I think Pittsburgh and Maryland need to play every year and BC and Syracuse need to play every year.
Put Syracuse in the Coastal and Pittsburgh in the Atlantic. Then have Syracuse and BC as cross division rivals and have VT and Pittsburgh as cross division rivals.
I think that's the best way to do it.
I emphatically agree with you about Pitt in the Atlantic plus being a cross-division rival with VT. But I would also put Syracuse in the Atlantic and put BC in the coastal. Of course my thoughts on SU are selfish for Pitt's benefit. SU fans may prefer the coastal.
(12-03-2011 09:17 AM)Star City Hokie Wrote: [ -> ]I think Pittsburgh and Maryland need to play every year and BC and Syracuse need to play every year.
Put Syracuse in the Coastal and Pittsburgh in the Atlantic. Then have Syracuse and BC as cross division rivals and have VT and Pittsburgh as cross division rivals.
I think that's the best way to do it.
That works for me. I hope that we can do this move sooner rather than later. It will be interesting to see how conference realignment continues to unfold, and to see who gets picked up and who gets left behind.
I know several schools are going to push for a North/South Divisional split with Miami in the North at the February meeting. Assuming that fails, then the quicker we get to 16 schools and 4 pods/subdivisions the better.
On record as stating Syracuse ==> Coastal, and Pitt ==> Atlantic, then adjusting the cross-rivals so that Syracuse is paired with BC, and Pitt is paired with VT.
VT will be playing a Big East regardless of how the divisions are drawn. If the conference sticks with the Atlantic/Coastal model with cross divsion rivals, then VT will only avoid one of Syracuse, Pitt, BC, and Miami on a yearly basis.
I think you need to make it so Cuse, Pitt and BC all play each other every year.
Just curious, what are the objections to the divisions being on geographic lines, like an ACC North and an ACC South (assuming, for discussion, that ND and UConn were to be added to the ACC North)?
Hypothetical ACC North:
Boston College
Syracuse
Pitt
ND
UConn
Maryland
Virginia
Virginia Tech
(12-07-2011 03:59 PM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ]Just curious, what are the objections to the divisions being on geographic lines, like an ACC North and an ACC South (assuming, for discussion, that ND and UConn were to be added to the ACC North)?
Hypothetical ACC North:
Boston College
Syracuse
Pitt
ND
UConn
Maryland
Virginia
Virginia Tech
I think it would be the lack of trips to Florida for the North, that and they won't want to make it essentially an ACC division and a Big East division.
You're making a case for further expansion. If that happens, there is strong sentiment in the league to break into four geographically based pods. Two pods would be paired together and rotate every year. That allows you to play every school in your conference at least once every three years, whereas splitting them into two divisions means you would play the schools in the other division once a decade.
With just 14 schools, you can either use the zipper Atlantic/Coastal model or you can go to a North/South split.
North
Miami
Virginia Tech
Virginia
Maryland
Pitt
Syracuse
Boston College
South
FSU
GT
Clemson
UNC
NC State
Wake Forest
Duke
Cross Division Rivals
Miami/FSU
VT/Clemson
UVa/UNC
Pitt/GT
Maryland/NC State
Syracuse/Duke
Boston College/ Wake Forest
(12-07-2011 03:59 PM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ]Just curious, what are the objections to the divisions being on geographic lines, like an ACC North and an ACC South (assuming, for discussion, that ND and UConn were to be added to the ACC North)?
Hypothetical ACC North:
Boston College
Syracuse
Pitt
ND
UConn
Maryland
Virginia
Virginia Tech
If we go to 16, I want to see Pods.
North Pod:
Boston College
Connecticut
Notre Dame
Syracuse
Atlantic Pod:
Maryland
Pittsburgh
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Coastal Pod:
Clemson
Duke
North Carolina
North Carolina State
South Pod:
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Miami
Wake Forest
If it's setup like this then every Pod has a "powerhouse" team. Notre Dame, Virginia Tech, Clemson, and Florida State respectively. Could you imagine selling a 4 team mini-playoff to ESPN/CBS/NBC, with those 4 teams in separate pods? $$$
(12-07-2011 03:59 PM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ]Just curious, what are the objections to the divisions being on geographic lines, like an ACC North and an ACC South (assuming, for discussion, that ND and UConn were to be added to the ACC North)?
Hypothetical ACC North:
Boston College
Syracuse
Pitt
ND
UConn
Maryland
Virginia
Virginia Tech
The objections are predominantly from the southern teams VT, UVA and UMD not wanting to be cut off from their southern partners. Also, Miami would likely be "kicked to the north" in that scenario to bring about an "Old ACC" and "Old BE" divisional alignment. Finally, the current group does not include ND. If ND joins the ACC, I think you could see a push to divide along north vs south lines, and maybe schools like UMD, UVA and VT would be enticed to move into a northern division in order to be in a division with ND.
Wake Forest will never agree to be split off from the other North Carolina schools.
(12-07-2011 04:40 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote: [ -> ]Wake Forest will never agree to be split off from the other North Carolina schools.
With Pods Wake Forest would still play at least 1 other North Carolina school every year. Just like it is now.
Having all 4 North Carolina schools in one Pod, wouldn't be fair though. Especially when one of the pods would have both Clemson and Florida State.
(12-07-2011 04:27 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote: [ -> ]If we go to 16, I want to see Pods.
North Pod:
Boston College
Connecticut
Notre Dame
Syracuse
Atlantic Pod:
Maryland
Pittsburgh
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Coastal Pod:
Clemson
Duke
North Carolina
North Carolina State
South Pod:
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Miami
Wake Forest
If it's setup like this then every Pod has a "powerhouse" team. Notre Dame, Virginia Tech, Clemson, and Florida State respectively. Could you imagine selling a 4 team mini-playoff to ESPN/CBS/NBC, with those 4 teams in separate pods? $$$
No way in hell do I want to be in a 4 team pod with 3 NC schools. If we are going to be stuck with 3 podmates that travel to us worse than Furman or Wofford then put us up in the North. At least they care a little about football.
Wake Forest currently plays NC State and Duke every year. Wake will never consent to being being split off from the other North Carolina schools. Wake has been a supporter of expansion because it sees that as the best way to reunite with it's instate rivals. Our AD has met with the other North Carolina schools and they feel the same.
Clemson needs to be with GT and FSU. Those games are more important to their fans and make the conference more tv money.