Dick Weiss, a columnist for the New York Daily News--
There are too many moving pieces here. Maybe it is time for the Big East to scrap Western expansion all together and simply add three teams from the Eastern and Central time zones - Temple, East Carolina and Memphis - as full members and try to be the best it can be. Temple and Memphis would definitely upgrade basketball. East Carolina has a following in football that would be attractive to bowls if the Pirates have a good season, and they have the potential to be competitive as long as Terry Holland is the AD. They all want in.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/colleg...z1eb92MnOG
Wow, the first traces of sanity beginning to emerge, finally...
The thing is, I don't think they would bring ECU in even if they weren't worried about the AQ. Memphis and Temple yes. Great hoops. I think UMAss would be another add. Great hoops- locks down New England for the Big East(especially if the ACC doesn't take UConn).
Big east trades WV, Syr, and Pit for Memphis, Temple, and UMass.... That's a lot better basketball trade than more would realize. Especially if they then grabbed Xavier and Saint Louis from the A-10.
Agree to some extent. I would rather see ECU, Memphis, Temple, UCF, Houston, SMU, Marshall, and UMass get a look. Maybe go really big with Xavier, Dayton, St. Louis, and Charlotte.
(11-24-2011 12:59 AM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]The thing is, I don't think they would bring ECU in even if they weren't worried about the AQ. Memphis and Temple yes. Great hoops. I think UMAss would be another add. Great hoops- locks down New England for the Big East(especially if the ACC doesn't take UConn).
Big east trades WV, Syr, and Pit for Memphis, Temple, and UMass.... That's a lot better basketball trade than more would realize. Especially if they then grabbed Xavier and Saint Louis from the A-10.
UMass, unfortunately, does not really have great hoops nowadays. Their season ending RPI numbers for the past four season have been 149, 177 and 152 and 45. Compare that to Temple who finished at 29, 9 and 31 and 50.
I had them in with Temple. Gotta keep that rivalry.. Still remember the John Chaney/John Calipari meltdown so many years ago....
All sports in Big East would be cool, especially for basketball. Also, we could upgrade our club hockey team with membership in Big East. (Yes, we play hockey here, too.)
(11-24-2011 12:59 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote: [ -> ]Wow, the first traces of sanity beginning to emerge, finally...
Hopefully so. I would hate to see AFA end up in the Big East. It's just not an appealing option for the majority of Falcon fans.
If Mike Tranghese couldn't prevent ACC from poaching Big East teams, it's doubtful Marinatto can do anything. Every other conference getting new TV deals while Big East being the last to get one might have increased the price but it certainly didn't help stability wise. Plus having 9 Big East teams in the NCAA tournament while ACC having only 4 might have been the last straw for the ACC commish.
(11-24-2011 12:51 AM)attackfrog Wrote: [ -> ]Dick Weiss, a columnist for the New York Daily News--
There are too many moving pieces here. Maybe it is time for the Big East to scrap Western expansion all together and simply add three teams from the Eastern and Central time zones - Temple, East Carolina and Memphis - as full members and try to be the best it can be. Temple and Memphis would definitely upgrade basketball. East Carolina has a following in football that would be attractive to bowls if the Pirates have a good season, and they have the potential to be competitive as long as Terry Holland is the AD. They all want in.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/colleg...z1eb92MnOG
The idea in this article that Houston and Boise would disappear if their coaches leave is pretty false.
Boise State has had 12 consecutive seasons of 8+ wins. That is a very stable record for the Broncos. What this says is even if the coaching staff leaves they will still get the upper cut of MWC/WAC players and remain capable of contending for a conference championship anywhere they play.
Houston has won 8+ games 5 out of the last 6 seasons. While that isn't showing Boise type stability it would be hard to see Houston falling apart with the BE tag to solidify recruiting in a local hotbed.
Other than that the article is pretty spot on.
(11-24-2011 03:57 AM)ollin Wrote: [ -> ]If Mike Tranghese couldn't prevent ACC from poaching Big East teams, it's doubtful Marinatto can do anything. Every other conference getting new TV deals while Big East being the last to get one might have increased the price but it certainly didn't help stability wise. Plus having 9 Big East teams in the NCAA tournament while ACC having only 4 might have been the last straw for the ACC commish.
Try 11 teams.
Well Case Keenum has been there 7years they are in trouble next year
The BE with some creativity could pull an effective conference out of CUSA members.
Add UCF, Houston, SMU and then like the article talked about Temple, ECU, Memphis. Also add Tulane (a Big XII favorite) for the superdome and Louisiana market.
I: Temple, Rutgers, UConn, ECU, Central FL, South FL
II: Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, Tulane, SMU, Houston
Go 12/18 with this. Give Temple and ECU football only. Keep the privates happy with Tulane/SMU. Keep the basketball schools happy with Memphis and no Temple/ECU.
When further defections come; Louisville to the Big XII, ND/UConn to the ACC the conference can respond simply by adding Temple all sports and moving to a 10/16 format. The BE won't be a terrific football conference done in this way but it will maintain a top tier basketball conference that people want to watch.
(11-24-2011 07:06 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote: [ -> ]The BE with some creativity could pull an effective conference out of CUSA members.
Add UCF, Houston, SMU and then like the article talked about Temple, ECU, Memphis. Also add Tulane (a Big XII favorite) for the superdome and Louisiana market.
I: Temple, Rutgers, UConn, ECU, Central FL, South FL
II: Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, Tulane, SMU, Houston
Go 12/18 with this. Give Temple and ECU football only. Keep the privates happy with Tulane/SMU. Keep the basketball schools happy with Memphis and no Temple/ECU.
When further defections come; Louisville to the Big XII, ND/UConn to the ACC the conference can respond simply by adding Temple all sports and moving to a 10/16 format. The BE won't be a terrific football conference done in this way but it will maintain a top tier basketball conference that people want to watch.
I don't understand why you would add Tulane as all sports, but not Temple? Why add Temple except for basketball?
(11-24-2011 07:13 AM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2011 07:06 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote: [ -> ]The BE with some creativity could pull an effective conference out of CUSA members.
Add UCF, Houston, SMU and then like the article talked about Temple, ECU, Memphis. Also add Tulane (a Big XII favorite) for the superdome and Louisiana market.
I: Temple, Rutgers, UConn, ECU, Central FL, South FL
II: Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, Tulane, SMU, Houston
Go 12/18 with this. Give Temple and ECU football only. Keep the privates happy with Tulane/SMU. Keep the basketball schools happy with Memphis and no Temple/ECU.
When further defections come; Louisville to the Big XII, ND/UConn to the ACC the conference can respond simply by adding Temple all sports and moving to a 10/16 format. The BE won't be a terrific football conference done in this way but it will maintain a top tier basketball conference that people want to watch.
I don't understand why you wouldn't add Tulane as all sports, but not Temple? Why add Temple except for basketball.
Nova market exclusion.
If their is no BCS in 2014, then I doubt any western teams jump. Why have 3000 mile road trips when the bowls and money are gone? The recruits certainly won't be there anymore if the BCS only does the championship game. It will help level the field more in that respect. If any of the west teams jump, then they are stuck there if the BCS only hosts the championship game.
Only thing is that the Big East spelled out in the article is no stronger than the current MWC so the whole AQ thing would need to be resolved.....
Personally, I'd rather see the BE stay as an eastern conference. I've always liked the idea of expanding into ACC areas and using these new programs to strangle off the ACC in its own back yard. The BE needs to get to twelve. Then take a break for a few years and wait to see what GaSt and Charlotte do.
(11-24-2011 08:26 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote: [ -> ]Personally, I'd rather see the BE stay as an eastern conference. I've always liked the idea of expanding into ACC areas and using these new programs to strangle off the ACC in its own back yard. The BE needs to get to twelve. Then take a break for a few years and wait to see what GaSt and Charlotte do.
Besides UCF and ECU who is left in ACC territory? It all comes down to what is the BCS going to be like in 2014? If there are AQ confernces and non AQ conferences that the Big East needs to do whatever it has to bring Boise St. a board whether that's AFA, SDSU, CSU, Idaho, Fresno St. or Hawaii. If not then it makes sense to keep make gepgraphy a more important factor. If this is the case I'd like to see the Big East add the following teams for all sports to get to 10/18 :
Houston
SMU
UCF
ECU
Memphis
(11-24-2011 07:02 AM)first state Wrote: [ -> ]Well Case Keenum has been there 7years they are in trouble next year
Houston is just like most high level non-AQ schools in that it is very difficult to have sustained success. You usually have a 2 year window where you can make some noise and a 2 year window of a little rebuilding. Houston will be fine, they have recruited well but no doubt there will be a bit of a drop off. Houston has been a pretty good team consistently over the years, so I would not totally write them off next year.
As far as the title of this thread, why in the hell should this article make ECU, Temple, and Memphis fans happy. It does nothing for us and is the take of one media guy, has no bearing whatsoever.