BYU appears fully committed to Independence and evidently turned down B12 also. So, with B12 committed to getting back to 12 teams, it means Louisville and Rutgers will both probably be in B12 soon, probably after B12's courting of Notre Dame finishes. My guess is ND to ACC with Pitt, Syracuse, & Boston College now in ACC.
ND will take Rutgers to ACC with them. Big 12 will add Cincy and USF. Louisville burned that bridge with the McConnell shenanigans. UConn will join MAC East with Temple, UMass & Buffalo already there. Louisville will install a giant tarp over the upper deck they just built.
Louisville and Rutgers to the Big XII will not happen if the TV money does not increase enough. Texas does not want to go to 12 again and they are going to fight it tooth and nail.
when did Big XII say they were committed to 12. I think that smoke is more of an aggression tactic as the Big East works to rebuild.
I think they are happy getting paid for twelve teams and champ game with ten teams.
Whatever maximizes UT's bottom line is what works with that crew.
I think the big 12 takes U of L and Cincy, congressional shenanigans go on all the time and even if Bush League will not change the decisions of the big 12.
A lot of ifs here.
IF BYU is out, and
IF Air Force declines, and
IF no other western team is acceptable to the BE, and
IF Boise stays in the MWC, then OK,
I can see UL and either Cincy, Tulane, Memphis or Houston to the Big XII.
And IF Notre Dame goes to the ACC, then I think Rutgers goes with them. IF no Notre Dame, then UConn with Rutgers.
USF and maybe Cincy back to CUSA.
With all of the ifs, I don't see it happening. The BE has gone down the expansion road too far not to go through with something, but I do believe everyone will regret the moves as soon as the Big XII goes to 12.
Notre Dame and Rutgers to ACC seems very likely. Louisville to B12 also seems like a future move.
If the ACC and B12 wanted to they could add Rutgers and Louisville right now and essentially kill the Big East. Mercy perhaps.
(11-23-2011 11:43 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote: [ -> ]A lot of ifs here.
IF BYU is out, and
IF Air Force declines, and
IF no other western team is acceptable to the BE, and
IF Boise stays in the MWC, then OK,
I can see UL and either Cincy, Tulane, Memphis or Houston to the Big XII.
And IF Notre Dame goes to the ACC, then I think Rutgers goes with them. IF no Notre Dame, then UConn with Rutgers.
USF and maybe Cincy back to CUSA.
With all of the ifs, I don't see it happening. The BE has gone down the expansion road too far not to go through with something, but I do believe everyone will regret the moves as soon as the Big XII goes to 12.
Anything the Big East does is only temporary (especially these western additions) so this is at best a band-aid...and that is the problem with it. Survival depends on long-term outlook and planning not these desperate reaches for survival today. Honestly the Big East should focus on basketball (bread and butter) and let the fb schools (USF, Louisville, Cincy, Rutgers, UConn) go free to just play elsewhere (that's what they want anyway), even if it is Independent, CUSA or the MAC temporarily. No real leadership shown. All this uncertainty and non-decisiveness is unacceptable to those schools.
(11-23-2011 11:46 AM)JKMPirate78 Wrote: [ -> ]Anything the Big East does is only temporary (especially these western additions) so this is at best a band-aid...and that is the problem with it. Survival depends on long-term outlook and planning not these desperate reaches for survival today. Honestly the Big East should focus on basketball (bread and butter) and let the fb schools (USF, Louisville, Cincy, Rutgers, UConn) go free to just play elsewhere (that's what they want anyway), even if it is CUSA or the MAC temporarily. No real leadership shown. All this uncertainty and non-decisiveness is unacceptable to those schools.
The FB schools don't want to "go free" unless they are going to another BCS conference. That simple. They are the ones holding WVU, Pitt, and Syracuse to their exit agreements.
(11-23-2011 11:21 AM)Tallgrass Wrote: [ -> ]BYU appears fully committed to Independence and evidently turned down B12 also. So, with B12 committed to getting back to 12 teams, it means Louisville and Rutgers will both probably be in B12 soon, probably after B12's courting of Notre Dame finishes. My guess is ND to ACC with Pitt, Syracuse, & Boston College now in ACC.
it doesn't guarantee anything but like I've said before, I'd love to see Rutgers in the Big 12
I don't think ND will go anywhere; they don't need to
I think UConn will be stuck in the BE for the duration and it couldn't happen to a nicer fan base.
(11-23-2011 11:53 AM)mlb Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2011 11:46 AM)JKMPirate78 Wrote: [ -> ]Anything the Big East does is only temporary (especially these western additions) so this is at best a band-aid...and that is the problem with it. Survival depends on long-term outlook and planning not these desperate reaches for survival today. Honestly the Big East should focus on basketball (bread and butter) and let the fb schools (USF, Louisville, Cincy, Rutgers, UConn) go free to just play elsewhere (that's what they want anyway), even if it is CUSA or the MAC temporarily. No real leadership shown. All this uncertainty and non-decisiveness is unacceptable to those schools.
The FB schools don't want to "go free" unless they are going to another BCS conference. That simple. They are the ones holding WVU, Pitt, and Syracuse to their exit agreements.
If Louisville/Cincy could jump to the Big 12 they would. If Rutgers/UConn could jump to the ACC they would. Same goes for USF. I don't blame them. In this climate those schools should be doing all they can to look out for their futures, not primarily the conference. The Big East has shown they have little planning, direction or a coherent message for the future of BE football, which hurts their membership. Most of them seems to have at least an eye at the exit door. All these laughable, flat-out silly expansion moves (Boise, SDSU) proves they have no long-term vision.
(11-23-2011 11:57 AM)JKMPirate78 Wrote: [ -> ]If Louisville/Cincy could jump to the Big 12 they would. If Rutgers/UConn could jump to the ACC they would. Same goes for USF. I don't blame them. In this climate those schools should be doing all they can to look out for their futures, not primarily the conference. The Big East has shown they have little planning, direction or a coherent message for the future of BE football, which hurts their membership.
Whether that is true or not doesn't matter... the schools you listed above are the ones holding it up, not the basketball schools. Like it or not, FB needs those other schools until they find replacements and the replacements can start playing football as Big East members.
The Big12 is going to lose Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC or PAC12 eventually.
Houston, SMU, BYU, BSU, AFA and other Big East/MWC/C-USA/Alliance teams would be candidates to backfill the Big12. At that point, WVU might contemplate suicide, or going back to the Big East.
(11-23-2011 11:59 AM)mlb Wrote: [ -> ] (11-23-2011 11:57 AM)JKMPirate78 Wrote: [ -> ]If Louisville/Cincy could jump to the Big 12 they would. If Rutgers/UConn could jump to the ACC they would. Same goes for USF. I don't blame them. In this climate those schools should be doing all they can to look out for their futures, not primarily the conference. The Big East has shown they have little planning, direction or a coherent message for the future of BE football, which hurts their membership.
Whether that is true or not doesn't matter... the schools you listed above are the ones holding it up, not the basketball schools. Like it or not, FB needs those other schools until they find replacements and the replacements can start playing football as Big East members.
Understand. But the Big East could have already announced UCF, Houston and SMU weeks ago. At least that would have given the current members some added relief. Waiting for the west has been the wrong move, especially with Boise dropping from the unbeatens
and UCF stinking up C-USA
this season. Better timing would have made the moves appear much better from a perception standpoint. At least Houston is still undefeated
.
(11-23-2011 12:04 PM)USM@FTL Wrote: [ -> ]The Big12 is going to lose Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC or PAC12 eventually.
Houston, SMU, BYU, BSU, AFA and other Big East/MWC/C-USA/Alliance teams would be candidates to backfill the Big12. At that point, WVU might contemplate suicide, or going back to the Big East.
Boise may rethink the Big East move. Let's face it they would rather be in the Pac 12 or the Big 12 if they could be (although neither is calling). The Big East needs Boise more than Boise needs the Big East.
The Big East may have to come back to candidates like ECU, Memphis and even Southern Miss to fill the ranks. Should have done that in the first place.
(11-23-2011 11:21 AM)Tallgrass Wrote: [ -> ]BYU appears fully committed to Independence and evidently turned down B12 also. So, with B12 committed to getting back to 12 teams, it means Louisville and Rutgers will both probably be in B12 soon, probably after B12's courting of Notre Dame finishes. My guess is ND to ACC with Pitt, Syracuse, & Boston College now in ACC.
SO now the word "probably" is synonymous with the word "Guarantee"?!?
Maybe your title should be changed to "I really, really hope Big East football will cease to exist soon".
Yes, yes we know.
While we are at it.....
It now appears that Castro thinks he was all wrong about Communism and Cuba will be a Republic.
Iran just decided to forgo building a nuclear weapon.
China also realizes it has been too restrictive over US imports and is going to open up free trade.
Either probably or it is a guarantee.....
or neither.
All that is going to happen is that BYU will be replaced with SDSU. Hopefully we add 4 more teams and go to a 16 team all sports conference.
UConn
Rutgers
UMass
Temple
Cincinnati
Louisville
USF
Memphis
ECU
Navy
UCF
SMU
Houston
Air Force
Boise St.
San Diego St.
At this point, the Big East deserves to fall apart. If a company were run this poorly and made such short-sighted, small-picture decisions, they would go out of business... period.
(11-23-2011 12:28 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote: [ -> ]At this point, the Big East deserves to fall apart. If a company were run this poorly and made such short-sighted, small-picture decisions, they would go out of business... period.
So adding ECU, Memphis, and USM the Big East would be forward looking?