It may be true that #1 and 2 haven't met since 06, but I don't think either Bama or LSU are great teams. Good defenses that look even better when you throw in two average QB's. I think Stanford, USC, or Boise would give these teams fits. Looking back on Boise's manhandling of Georgia I starting to think the SEC may not be as good as the upper tier of the Pac 10.
I'm a firm proponent that Boise State should be given a shot at the National Title. If this is their "down year" why not? It benefits everyone. The "Mid-Major" fans will be happy that the system is finally giving them a shot. And if the Broncos lose, then the "Major" fans will be able to say, "They truly aren't that good, now you know". Either way, it's not fair.
I saw that someone labeled the game "yet another 'game of the century'." All I know is that I'm sure none of the players on either the 'Bama or LSU squads is going to be able to get out of bed unassisted this morning. I don't think I've ever seen such hard hitting in a game.
And "YES!" to the Boise St. comments. But somehow, I don't think they will ever be given real consideration until they join one of the Big Boyz conferences. Last I heard, they were in line to join the BEast. Did anything come of that? I fear that the lack of team respect may also prevent BSB QB Kellen Moore from winning the Heisman. The kid is absolutely terrific.
The BCS system is a complete conspiracy, in the truest sense of the word. The major sports media outlets are, moreover, master propagandists, in furtherance of that conspiracy. There are few "football experts" that would bet against Boise if Boise was matched up against either LSU or Alabama, even if there lives depended on it, but you will never hear any of them say Boise is better.
And the SEC is a solid football conference, and possibly the best, but it is, nevertheless, grossly overrated.
LSU and Alabama are the 2 best teams. Based on what? The "experts" said so.
I'm not sure why they bother playing the season. Just take a vote at the beginning of the season to see who's the best.
I'm not exaggerating when I say, Bama's QB couldn't have started this year for half of the schools in the MAC.
9-6 between two SEC schools: "Instant classic, greatest game of the year, need a rematch in January."
6-3 between two NFL teams: "Holy **** balls this is awful football. Absolutely no offensive talent."
Yeah, no.
(11-06-2011 04:28 PM)NIU007 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure why they bother playing the season. Just take a vote at the beginning of the season to see who's the best.
(11-05-2011 10:01 PM)Chipdip Wrote: [ -> ]It may be true that #1 and 2 haven't met since 06, but I don't think either Bama or LSU are great teams. Good defenses that look even better when you throw in two average QB's. I think Stanford, USC, or Boise would give these teams fits. Looking back on Boise's manhandling of Georgia I starting to think the SEC may not be as good as the upper tier of the Pac 10.
Well the upper tier of the SEC in LSU faced the upper tier of the PAC 12 in Oregon and beat them. Boise St is always underrated. When they play big time programs, they win. Stanford would give any team fits, but they are what? #3 or 4 in the nation?
(11-06-2011 04:41 PM)Chipdip Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not exaggerating when I say, Bama's QB couldn't have started this year for half of the schools in the MAC.
Yes you are exaggerating. This statement is so ridiculous it's not funny. The only reason this statement would have any weight whatsoever is if you are saying that because McCarron wouldn't fit a lot of the systems in the MAC. I love MAC football and WMU as much as anyone, but they would kill to have the backup QB's at most SEC schools playing for them.
(11-07-2011 04:55 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2011 04:41 PM)Chipdip Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not exaggerating when I say, Bama's QB couldn't have started this year for half of the schools in the MAC.
Yes you are exaggerating. This statement is so ridiculous it's not funny. The only reason this statement would have any weight whatsoever is if you are saying that because McCarron wouldn't fit a lot of the systems in the MAC. I love MAC football and WMU as much as anyone, but they would kill to have the backup QB's at most SEC schools playing for them.
We hear these analogies every year, then the MAC qb's go onto the NFL and do well, and billboards are being put up to start the SEC guys because they're third string......
(11-07-2011 05:41 PM)DesertBronco Wrote: [ -> ] (11-07-2011 04:55 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2011 04:41 PM)Chipdip Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not exaggerating when I say, Bama's QB couldn't have started this year for half of the schools in the MAC.
Yes you are exaggerating. This statement is so ridiculous it's not funny. The only reason this statement would have any weight whatsoever is if you are saying that because McCarron wouldn't fit a lot of the systems in the MAC. I love MAC football and WMU as much as anyone, but they would kill to have the backup QB's at most SEC schools playing for them.
We hear these analogies every year, then the MAC qb's go onto the NFL and do well, and billboards are being put up to start the SEC guys because they're third string......
Really? MAC quarterbacks doing well in the NFL? So we are still living off of Ben Rothlisburger? Who else?
Starting QBs in the NFL
SEC QBs: Tim Tebow (Denver, Florida), Peyton Manning* (Indianapolis, Tennessee), Eli Manning (New York Giants, Mississippi), Rex Grossman[split time] (Washington, Florida), Jay Cutler (Chicago, Vanderbilt), Matthew Stafford (Detroit, Georgia), Cam Newton (Carolina, Auburn)
MAC QBs: Ben Roethlisberger (Pittsburgh, Miami (OH))
* = I count Peyton because he has 4 MVP trophies, and probably deserves many more if you see the Colts this year.......
Bottom line, there is 1 MAC QB starting in the NFL, and at least 3 SEC QBs doing great this year alone. Plus the SEC still has Peyton Manning.
(11-07-2011 04:55 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2011 04:41 PM)Chipdip Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not exaggerating when I say, Bama's QB couldn't have started this year for half of the schools in the MAC.
Yes you are exaggerating. This statement is so ridiculous it's not funny. The only reason this statement would have any weight whatsoever is if you are saying that because McCarron wouldn't fit a lot of the systems in the MAC. I love MAC football and WMU as much as anyone, but they would kill to have the backup QB's at most SEC schools playing for them.
They would kill for the high school recruit. The finished product, not so much.
McCarron's two best games are 190 yards against North Texas and 237 yards against Vanderbilt. Not exactly eye popping numbers against amazing competition. His primary job at Bama is to be efficient. Hand the ball off and don't commit turnovers.
By the way, in 2008 (the class that gave us Andrew Luck and Landry Jones) also provided Alabama with the 30th ranked QB in the nation. Of course since he was ranked 30th and went to Bama you'd automatically rank him a cut above any QB in the MAC. Well his name is Brad Smelly, and he plays TE for Bama........and oh yeah, the #22nd ranked QB in the country was Miami's Zac Dysert.
And guess who was the #2 ranked QB in the country in 2008. Why that would be Dayne Crist at Notre Dame. In head to head Dayne threw for 255 yards and Carder threw for 277 yards.
Jordan Jefferson went 6-10 for 67 yards for LSU, in the "Game of the Century." Do you really think that Carder, Harnish, and Dysert couldn't improve on those numbers?
Quote:Bottom line, there is 1 MAC QB starting in the NFL, and at least 3 SEC QBs doing great this year alone. Plus the SEC still has Peyton Manning.
Who's comparing MAC QB's in the NFL to SEC QB's in the NFL???????
My so called over the top comment was regarding the two QB's in the game of the century who combined for 266 yards.
It is hard to say whether or not these QBs would improve on these numbers against those defenses, in that environment. I mean, yeah, it's easy to rip apart MAC defenses, but look at what Harnish did against Wisconsin, Carder did against Michigan, and Dysert did against Mizzou. They didn't put up great stats in any of those games (Carder had that good first half against Michigan in the first 30 minutes under Hoke, so take that as you will), and those were against good defenses.
Alabama and LSU have arguably the 2 best defenses, and it showed. Their offenses aren't the greatest (although Trent Richardson absolutely got a ton of Heisman swing from me with his ability), but with those defenses, they don't need to be
(11-07-2011 08:28 PM)Brown and Gold Wrote: [ -> ]It is hard to say whether or not these QBs would improve on these numbers against those defenses, in that environment. I mean, yeah, it's easy to rip apart MAC defenses, but look at what Harnish did against Wisconsin, Carder did against Michigan, and Dysert did against Mizzou. They didn't put up great stats in any of those games (Carder had that good first half against Michigan in the first 30 minutes under Hoke, so take that as you will), and those were against good defenses.
Alabama and LSU have arguably the 2 best defenses, and it showed. Their offenses aren't the greatest (although Trent Richardson absolutely got a ton of Heisman swing from me with his ability), but with those defenses, they don't need to be
Exactly. Its their style of play. If you looked at their numbers, you wouldn't have taken Alabama's last QB over Hiller either. But who got drafted?
Quote:Jordan Jefferson went 6-10 for 67 yards for LSU, in the "Game of the Century." Do you really think that Carder, Harnish, and Dysert couldn't improve on those numbers?
Well, if they only called 10 pass plays for any of the QB's to run then they probably would not do much better. If Jordan Jefferson went 6-20 then you have an argument.
Jefferson also did quite a bit with his legs as he is an option style QB. I would love to see Carder go up against Bama's defense. I can guarantee you the outcome is no better then Jefferson.
Quote:I would love to see Carder go up against Bama's defense. I can guarantee you the outcome is no better then Jefferson.
Put him in an LSU uniform and I'm sure he's better than 6-10 and 67 yards. Miles keeps Jefferson on a short leash because he knows what his talents are and what they aren't.