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ETSU athletic budget 2003-04 $6.7 million
Football cut to save $1.5 million
Athletic budget for 2004-05 should have been $5.2 million
Actual budget for 2004-05 $6.9 million

Instead of a $1.5 million reduction and the reallocation of these funds
back to the overall university, the athletic budget actually increased
$200,000.00 from 03-04 to 04-05.

And, that budget has increased almost 9% a year since football was dropped to around $11 million today. They're spending $4.3 million more annually today than 2003-04.

Data from USA Today on college athletic finances
This is why I don't even bother wasting my time with Slappy White and those like him anymore. The debate has been over for some time now. Facts, are indeed, stubborn things.
like the last, ever how many, times i have said before...and? please find a post where i have diputed these or any other financial numbers that have been stated. if thats what they are, why would i disagree? ok, what do you want me to do with them? its your hopes that a new president will take a look and say, whoa, i gotta fire everybody and get football going. and they might. then again, they might not. they might say (as they did in the interviews) its gotta be a whole community effort and its gonna take alot of money. i hope you are prepared for that. cause i dont see it coming back without those two things no matter how much you screem and yell about these numbers, peer institutions, and minor sports. i may be wrong, but you know, i may be right....so you might want to have a plan B in the chamber ready to go.
(11-04-2011 09:04 PM)slappywhite Wrote: [ -> ]like the last, ever how many, times i have said before...and? please find a post where i have diputed these or any other financial numbers that have been stated. if thats what they are, why would i disagree? ok, what do you want me to do with them? its your hopes that a new president will take a look and say, whoa, i gotta fire everybody and get football going. and they might. then again, they might not. they might say (as they did in the interviews) its gotta be a whole community effort and its gonna take alot of money. i hope you are prepared for that. cause i dont see it coming back without those two things no matter how much you screem and yell about these numbers, peer institutions, and minor sports. i may be wrong, but you know, i may be right....so you might want to have a plan B in the chamber ready to go.

You didn't say anything in which dedicated posters haven't been saying for the past eight years on this board. Therefor your lame attempt to pass it off as if they haven't is both sophomoric and disingenuous. But I would ask what is your plan B. Or could it be you do not want for football's return?
(11-04-2011 09:04 PM)slappywhite Wrote: [ -> ]like the last, ever how many, times i have said before...and? please find a post where i have diputed these or any other financial numbers that have been stated. if thats what they are, why would i disagree? ok, what do you want me to do with them? its your hopes that a new president will take a look and say, whoa, i gotta fire everybody and get football going. and they might. then again, they might not. they might say (as they did in the interviews) its gotta be a whole community effort and its gonna take alot of money. i hope you are prepared for that. cause i dont see it coming back without those two things no matter how much you screem and yell about these numbers, peer institutions, and minor sports. i may be wrong, but you know, i may be right....so you might want to have a plan B in the chamber ready to go.

It's going to be a you win I lose, I win you lose or the possibility of something like an unthinkable "Plan B" on this debate. You win, Slappy, if the new president keeps the current model and keeps throwing money at the minor sports, thus assuring that the university continues to lose ground in athletics. I win if the new president looks at this expenditure of athletic funds for what it is, scraps it, reorganizes the athletic department to include football, and restructures that infamous "capital campaign for athletics" to include an outdoor football stadium. To do that will require an athletic department house cleaning and the hiring of folks who know how to manage Mid-Major Division I athletics, like the UNC-Charlotte folks, the Old Dominion folks, et al. And, as I"ve stated from day one, I believe that this is the only option available in order to move the university forward in athletics and secure its athletic future. But, that "Plan B" that you keep talking about could be a nightmare come true if the new president looks at this $11 million athletic budget, decides that its wasting millions on meaningless sports, and slashes it to bring ETSU in line with its A-Sun counterparts, then hunkers down in the A-Sun (that is, if the a-sun survives) and lets ETSU athletics pass into the final stage of oblivion.
I would agree with Buc66 that it is and always has been a we win you lose, you win we lose situation. However, to suggest that varied ideas and opinions for how to bring about the return of football is something which has not been brought up on numerous occasions is just incorrect.
(11-05-2011 08:59 AM)Goldfinger Wrote: [ -> ]I would agree with Buc66 that it is and always has been a we win you lose, you win we lose situation. However, to suggest that varied ideas and opinions for how to bring about the return of football is something which has not been brought up on numerous occasions is just incorrect.

????????????????, not following you.
Slappy's implication that there has never been more than one idea on this board on how to re-establish football is quite incorrect.
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