But congrats to the Mountaineers on bettering your situation! The Eastern College Sports Diaspora is pretty much complete:
WVU - Big 12
Penn State - Big Ten
Temple - MAC/A-10
Rutgers, UConn - Big East
BC, Cuse, Pitt, Miami, VT - ACC
Forgot to add Cincy, Louisville in Big East and ECU in CUSA.
WVU is a better fit for the Big 12 than the Big East. The move makes sense. The moves by Pitt, Syracuse and BC (back when) don't. I don't begrudge WVU for it's decision.
(10-28-2011 11:41 AM)Wanker Wrote: [ -> ]WVU is a better fit for the Big 12 than the Big East. The move makes sense. The moves by Pitt, Syracuse and BC (back when) don't. I don't begrudge WVU for it's decision.
Wait what?
Please explain how the Syracuse move to the ACC did not make sense from an institutional and athletic standpoint.
WVU has absolutely no geographic or cultural fit with the Big 12. But, that obviously doesn't matter to either the Big 12 or WVU, so who am i to complain?
WVU had no cultural fit with the Big East either. They will make more money and be in a conference with other big, foot-ball first state schools.
Syracuse, BC and Pitt made less sense in my opinion because they were founding members of the Big East. The Big East was northeast focused and was the best basketball league. Had you guys stuck around, the conference would have expanded and could have been better than the ACC. Granted Cuse is in the boondocks, but it is culturally much different than the ACC schools. Now Cuse will play in a southern conference without their historic rival. The move made BC athletically irrelvant. We'll see what it does for Cuse.
(10-28-2011 12:17 PM)Wanker Wrote: [ -> ]WVU had no cultural fit with the Big East either. They will make more money and be in a conference with other big, foot-ball first state schools.
Syracuse, BC and Pitt made less sense in my opinion because they were founding members of the Big East. The Big East was northeast focused and was the best basketball league. Had you guys stuck around, the conference would have expanded and could have been better than the ACC. Granted Cuse is in the boondocks, but it is culturally much different than the ACC schools. Now Cuse will play in a southern conference without their historic rival. The move made BC athletically irrelvant. We'll see what it does for Cuse.
You answered your own question.
Syracuse, Pitt, and West Virginia are football schools. The ACC and Big12 are football oriented conferences. The BE is, as you claim, a basketball oriented conference that plays football.
I wouldn't expect a basketball school with a 1AA football program to understand.
Besides, how exactly do SMU and Houston culturally fit in a Northeast basketball league?
(10-28-2011 12:17 PM)Wanker Wrote: [ -> ]WVU had no cultural fit with the Big East either. They will make more money and be in a conference with other big, foot-ball first state schools.
Syracuse, BC and Pitt made less sense in my opinion because they were founding members of the Big East. The Big East was northeast focused and was the best basketball league. Had you guys stuck around, the conference would have expanded and could have been better than the ACC. Granted Cuse is in the boondocks, but it is culturally much different than the ACC schools. Now Cuse will play in a southern conference without their historic rival. The move made BC athletically irrelvant. We'll see what it does for Cuse.
Syracuse founded the Big East back in 1980 when it was a northeastern based basketball conference made up of primarily private catholic institutions.
In order for the Big East of 2012 to survive it was going to have to become a primarily southern based football conference made up of public institutions.
When you compare what the ACC is to what the Big East was going to become Syracuse has a lot more in common with the ACC. Focusing on football playing schools you throw out Rutgers, Uconn, West Virginia and Boston College, Pittsburgh, and Maryland.
You are left with Virginia Tech, Virginia, Wake Forest (Private), Duke (Private), NC State, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Miami (Private), and Florida State. All top 100 academic schools.
vs
Louisville, Cincy, USF, TCU (Private), and two of SMU (Private), Memphis, Boise State, BYU, etc....
(10-28-2011 12:17 PM)Wanker Wrote: [ -> ]WVU had no cultural fit with the Big East either. They will make more money and be in a conference with other big, foot-ball first state schools.
Syracuse, BC and Pitt made less sense in my opinion because they were founding members of the Big East. The Big East was northeast focused and was the best basketball league. Had you guys stuck around, the conference would have expanded and could have been better than the ACC. Granted Cuse is in the boondocks, but it is culturally much different than the ACC schools. Now Cuse will play in a southern conference without their historic rival. The move made BC athletically irrelvant. We'll see what it does for Cuse.
You answered your own question.
Syracuse, Pitt, and West Virginia are football schools. The ACC and Big12 are football oriented conferences. The BE is, as you claim, a basketball oriented conference that plays football.
I wouldn't expect a basketball school with a 1AA football program to understand.
Besides, how exactly do SMU and Houston culturally fit in a Northeast basketball league?
Pitt and Syracuse are not football schools. They are basketball schools with FBS football teams. WVU is a football school. Penn State is a football school.
The ACC has historically been a basketball oriented conference that plays football. The same way the Big East is. They made a push to get better at football back when they added Miami, BC and Virginia Tech. They are somewhat better at football than the Big East but not by much, especially considering TCU was on its way.
Syracuse and Pitt were added because of their basketball success. This is especially true of Syracuse. If the ACC was worried about improving football there were better options.
I really hate leaving the Big East, but at this point what choice do we have? If the BE wonderful commish had been proactive, maybe we wouldnt have had to move, but seeing that he is a complete idiot and the SEC aint calling, we're moving to the best possible spot we can be. All I can say is best of luck to UCONN, Cincy, USF, Rutgers, and UL. I wish all you guys the best of luck and I hope we get to play you guys in the future. Also I hope the BE survives in some sort. The BE has been a great home to us, and I hope it survives.
(10-28-2011 01:12 PM)thecomet89 Wrote: [ -> ]I really hate leaving the Big East, but at this point what choice do we have? If the BE wonderful commish had been proactive, maybe we wouldnt have had to move, but seeing that he is a complete idiot and the SEC aint calling, we're moving to the best possible spot we can be. All I can say is best of luck to UCONN, Cincy, USF, Rutgers, and UL. I wish all you guys the best of luck and I hope we get to play you guys in the future. Also I hope the BE survives in some sort. The BE has been a great home to us, and I hope it survives.
thanx my heart is broken, in the end the schools do whats best for themselves, gluck in a tough league. one thing i can't stand is trolls comin in here talkin $hit about other schools leaving
(10-28-2011 12:17 PM)Wanker Wrote: [ -> ]WVU had no cultural fit with the Big East either. They will make more money and be in a conference with other big, foot-ball first state schools.
Syracuse, BC and Pitt made less sense in my opinion because they were founding members of the Big East. The Big East was northeast focused and was the best basketball league. Had you guys stuck around, the conference would have expanded and could have been better than the ACC. Granted Cuse is in the boondocks, but it is culturally much different than the ACC schools. Now Cuse will play in a southern conference without their historic rival. The move made BC athletically irrelvant. We'll see what it does for Cuse.
We have a football coach who is competent. Marrone has already begone recruiting the South using his connections. We've been able to get some great talent from Georgia. In the ACC it should only be easier to convince kids from Southern states.
Our historic rival is Penn State. That's the team we've played the most. You know the team that's second? Pittsburgh, they lead the series 32-30-3. They're coming right along with us.
Plus, we're rejoining Boson College who we've played 46 times. Oh, and did you sleep through Boston College winning the Atlantic division not once, but TWICE?! I don't think that's irrelevant at all.
(10-28-2011 12:17 PM)Wanker Wrote: [ -> ]WVU had no cultural fit with the Big East either. They will make more money and be in a conference with other big, foot-ball first state schools.
Syracuse, BC and Pitt made less sense in my opinion because they were founding members of the Big East. The Big East was northeast focused and was the best basketball league. Had you guys stuck around, the conference would have expanded and could have been better than the ACC. Granted Cuse is in the boondocks, but it is culturally much different than the ACC schools. Now Cuse will play in a southern conference without their historic rival. The move made BC athletically irrelvant. We'll see what it does for Cuse.
You answered your own question.
Syracuse, Pitt, and West Virginia are football schools. The ACC and Big12 are football oriented conferences. The BE is, as you claim, a basketball oriented conference that plays football.
I wouldn't expect a basketball school with a 1AA football program to understand.
Besides, how exactly do SMU and Houston culturally fit in a Northeast basketball league?
Pitt and Syracuse are not football schools. They are basketball schools with FBS football teams. WVU is a football school. Penn State is a football school.
The ACC has historically been a basketball oriented conference that plays football. The same way the Big East is. They made a push to get better at football back when they added Miami, BC and Virginia Tech. They are somewhat better at football than the Big East but not by much, especially considering TCU was on its way.
Syracuse and Pitt were added because of their basketball success. This is especially true of Syracuse. If the ACC was worried about improving football there were better options.
Syracuse football stats:
First season 1889
Stadium capacity 50k
All-time record 684–481–49 (.584)
Postseason bowl record 12–9–1
National titles 1
Conference titles 4
Heisman winners 1
All-Americans 42
Pittsburgh football stats:
First season 1890
Stadium capacity 65,050
All-time record 671–483–42 (.579)
Postseason bowl record 12–15
National titles 9
Conference titles 2
Heisman winners 1
All-Americans 49
Just screams basketball schools, doesn't it? Syracuse is 5-2 this season, BTW. We crushed West Virginia. Our stadium is called the "Loud House" not for basketball, but football. Players have commented on the noise in the Dome. Sanu at Rutgers did, and players for West Virginia warned their coach.
Yeah, I must have slept through it. I don't even know what the atlantic division is. What I do know is that I haven't seen BC televised in any sport since the move. I also haven't seen them in the NCAA Tournament.
I am not saying it won't work out but I found it an odd fit. The rival I was referring to was Georgetown. Since Syracuse is a basketball school I am more aware of their basketball rivals. I can't say I have ever watched a Syracuse football game. Around here everyone watches the Big ten.
(10-28-2011 12:17 PM)Wanker Wrote: [ -> ]WVU had no cultural fit with the Big East either. They will make more money and be in a conference with other big, foot-ball first state schools.
Syracuse, BC and Pitt made less sense in my opinion because they were founding members of the Big East. The Big East was northeast focused and was the best basketball league. Had you guys stuck around, the conference would have expanded and could have been better than the ACC. Granted Cuse is in the boondocks, but it is culturally much different than the ACC schools. Now Cuse will play in a southern conference without their historic rival. The move made BC athletically irrelvant. We'll see what it does for Cuse.
You answered your own question.
Syracuse, Pitt, and West Virginia are football schools. The ACC and Big12 are football oriented conferences. The BE is, as you claim, a basketball oriented conference that plays football.
I wouldn't expect a basketball school with a 1AA football program to understand.
Besides, how exactly do SMU and Houston culturally fit in a Northeast basketball league?
Pitt and Syracuse are not football schools. They are basketball schools with FBS football teams. WVU is a football school. Penn State is a football school.
The ACC has historically been a basketball oriented conference that plays football. The same way the Big East is. They made a push to get better at football back when they added Miami, BC and Virginia Tech. They are somewhat better at football than the Big East but not by much, especially considering TCU was on its way.
Syracuse and Pitt were added because of their basketball success. This is especially true of Syracuse. If the ACC was worried about improving football there were better options.
Syracuse football stats:
First season 1889
Stadium capacity 50k
All-time record 684–481–49 (.584)
Postseason bowl record 12–9–1
National titles 1
Conference titles 4
Heisman winners 1
All-Americans 42
Pittsburgh football stats:
First season 1890
Stadium capacity 65,050
All-time record 671–483–42 (.579)
Postseason bowl record 12–15
National titles 9
Conference titles 2
Heisman winners 1
All-Americans 49
Just screams basketball schools, doesn't it?
How long has it been since those achievements were accomplished? If you honestly think people around the country think of football rather than basketball when they think of Syracuse then you don't get around much. Pitt also has had more success with basketball in recent years than they have with football. If football were the primary reason the ACC expanded then they would have taken WVU.
(10-28-2011 12:17 PM)Wanker Wrote: [ -> ]WVU had no cultural fit with the Big East either. They will make more money and be in a conference with other big, foot-ball first state schools.
Syracuse, BC and Pitt made less sense in my opinion because they were founding members of the Big East. The Big East was northeast focused and was the best basketball league. Had you guys stuck around, the conference would have expanded and could have been better than the ACC. Granted Cuse is in the boondocks, but it is culturally much different than the ACC schools. Now Cuse will play in a southern conference without their historic rival. The move made BC athletically irrelvant. We'll see what it does for Cuse.
You answered your own question.
Syracuse, Pitt, and West Virginia are football schools. The ACC and Big12 are football oriented conferences. The BE is, as you claim, a basketball oriented conference that plays football.
I wouldn't expect a basketball school with a 1AA football program to understand.
Besides, how exactly do SMU and Houston culturally fit in a Northeast basketball league?
Pitt and Syracuse are not football schools. They are basketball schools with FBS football teams. WVU is a football school. Penn State is a football school.
The ACC has historically been a basketball oriented conference that plays football. The same way the Big East is. They made a push to get better at football back when they added Miami, BC and Virginia Tech. They are somewhat better at football than the Big East but not by much, especially considering TCU was on its way.
Syracuse and Pitt were added because of their basketball success. This is especially true of Syracuse. If the ACC was worried about improving football there were better options.
Syracuse football stats:
First season 1889
Stadium capacity 50k
All-time record 684–481–49 (.584)
Postseason bowl record 12–9–1
National titles 1
Conference titles 4
Heisman winners 1
All-Americans 42
Pittsburgh football stats:
First season 1890
Stadium capacity 65,050
All-time record 671–483–42 (.579)
Postseason bowl record 12–15
National titles 9
Conference titles 2
Heisman winners 1
All-Americans 49
Just screams basketball schools, doesn't it? Syracuse is 5-2 this season, BTW. We crushed West Virginia. Our stadium is called the "Loud House" not for basketball, but football. Players have commented on the noise in the Dome. Sanu at Rutgers did, and players for West Virginia warned their coach.
Orange Crush: Thanks for the confirmation. I do know that Pitt had a good football program in the old days. They used to be as good or better than Penn State. Times sure have changed.
Can you give me some stats on Syracuse football in this century please. I am genuinely curious. I couldn't tell you the first thing about it except that they play their football games in their indoor basketball facility.
I still dream of a conference with Syracuse, Pitt, Penn State, Boston College, Rutgers, West Virginia, and throw in UConn. To think what could have been. We could have pleased Virginia Tech and Miami with more Southern schools. Florida State, South Carolina, and Louisville were all available. It makes me just thinking of the possibilities. But, life goes on.
(10-28-2011 12:17 PM)Wanker Wrote: [ -> ]WVU had no cultural fit with the Big East either. They will make more money and be in a conference with other big, foot-ball first state schools.
Syracuse, BC and Pitt made less sense in my opinion because they were founding members of the Big East. The Big East was northeast focused and was the best basketball league. Had you guys stuck around, the conference would have expanded and could have been better than the ACC. Granted Cuse is in the boondocks, but it is culturally much different than the ACC schools. Now Cuse will play in a southern conference without their historic rival. The move made BC athletically irrelvant. We'll see what it does for Cuse.
You answered your own question.
Syracuse, Pitt, and West Virginia are football schools. The ACC and Big12 are football oriented conferences. The BE is, as you claim, a basketball oriented conference that plays football.
I wouldn't expect a basketball school with a 1AA football program to understand.
Besides, how exactly do SMU and Houston culturally fit in a Northeast basketball league?
Pitt and Syracuse are not football schools. They are basketball schools with FBS football teams. WVU is a football school. Penn State is a football school.
The ACC has historically been a basketball oriented conference that plays football. The same way the Big East is. They made a push to get better at football back when they added Miami, BC and Virginia Tech. They are somewhat better at football than the Big East but not by much, especially considering TCU was on its way.
Syracuse and Pitt were added because of their basketball success. This is especially true of Syracuse. If the ACC was worried about improving football there were better options.
Syracuse football stats:
First season 1889
Stadium capacity 50k
All-time record 684–481–49 (.584)
Postseason bowl record 12–9–1
National titles 1
Conference titles 4
Heisman winners 1
All-Americans 42
Pittsburgh football stats:
First season 1890
Stadium capacity 65,050
All-time record 671–483–42 (.579)
Postseason bowl record 12–15
National titles 9
Conference titles 2
Heisman winners 1
All-Americans 49
Just screams basketball schools, doesn't it? Syracuse is 5-2 this season, BTW. We crushed West Virginia. Our stadium is called the "Loud House" not for basketball, but football. Players have commented on the noise in the Dome. Sanu at Rutgers did, and players for West Virginia warned their coach.
Orange Crush: Thanks for the confirmation. I do know that Pitt had a good football program in the old days. They used to be as good or better than Penn State. Times sure have changed.
Can you give me some stats on Syracuse football in this century please. I am genuinely curious. I couldn't tell you the first thing about it except that they play their football games in their indoor basketball facility.
You want recent? In this decade we're 13-7. We blew out number 11 West Virginia this year, and beat them last year on the road. We beat Kansas State in the Pinstripe Bowl, We could be bowl eligible this weekend with a win at Louisville.
It's pretty obvious you're just a troll. You most likely have another account here that you use as your main. Then you use this to troll. Your name is Wanker and root for Villanova. That is also a sign.
just thinking of the possibilities. But, life goes on.
Northeastern football.