@ChiTribHamiltonBrian Hamilton
#NotreDame HC Mike Brey: "I hope we can keep the Big East together. If not, we need something in the East. I've told Jack (Swarbrick) that."
Also from the Globe article linked in the other thread:
http://www.boston.com/sports/colleges/ex..._fate.html
A Big East source describing what would happen if UL and WVU bolt:
"Once that happens, all sorts of things happen, none of them good for the Big East,'' said one Big East source. "Without those two schools, the non-football (7 members) would say they had enough and break off on their own. Notre Dame would be forced to make a decision and probably head to the ACC, (which has openly said that any expansion beyond 14 teams would probably be predicated on Notre Dame being one of the teams). If Notre Dame goes, then UConn would be the 16th team on that list.''
Why don't you just join for all sports including football and solidify the conference ND.
Freaking bloodsucker.
You're not supposed to question ND's actions. They are after all God's college football team. They'll do as they please and you will thank them for it. Their superiority is beyond mortal questioning.
(10-12-2011 05:20 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ]Why don't you just join for all sports including football and solidify the conference ND.
Freaking bloodsucker.
(10-12-2011 05:24 PM)Knightsweat Wrote: [ -> ]You're not supposed to question ND's actions. They are after all God's college football team. They'll do as they please and you will thank them for it. Their superiority is beyond mortal questioning.
Yes, it is quite amusing to see an institution that so proudly uses symbology of a man that supposedly lived his life in service to others before himself, in order to sell their brand, allowing the demise of a conference that has been so good and accommodating to them and their "Independent" ways instead of fully joining that organization in an effort that would have absolutely SAVED it.
Talk about practice what you preach.....
I'm sorry if that is considered a low blow around here but its the truth.
BE basketball isn't going anywhere. Not sure what Brey is worried about. A worst case scenario for ND is losing the fb schools and possibly adding a few basketball schools such as Xavier and Dayton.
I don't think the ACC will be telling ND that it's now or never anytime soon.
(10-12-2011 05:33 PM)Tampa Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]BE basketball isn't going anywhere. Not sure what Brey is worried about. A worst case scenario for ND is losing the fb schools and possibly adding a few basketball schools such as Xavier and Dayton.
I don't think the ACC will be telling ND that it's now or never anytime soon.
Notre Dame's friends in the Big East were the football schools though. For all we know the other basketball schools dont care either way about Notre Dame. In basketball they aren't a big deal.
(10-12-2011 05:37 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2011 05:33 PM)Tampa Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]BE basketball isn't going anywhere. Not sure what Brey is worried about. A worst case scenario for ND is losing the fb schools and possibly adding a few basketball schools such as Xavier and Dayton.
I don't think the ACC will be telling ND that it's now or never anytime soon.
Notre Dame's friends in the Big East were the football schools though. For all we know the other basketball schools dont care either way about Notre Dame. In basketball they aren't a big deal.
Notre Dame also sponsors more sports than a Catholic league would provide.
(10-12-2011 05:43 PM)Joey_Niklas Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2011 05:37 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2011 05:33 PM)Tampa Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]BE basketball isn't going anywhere. Not sure what Brey is worried about. A worst case scenario for ND is losing the fb schools and possibly adding a few basketball schools such as Xavier and Dayton.
I don't think the ACC will be telling ND that it's now or never anytime soon.
Notre Dame's friends in the Big East were the football schools though. For all we know the other basketball schools dont care either way about Notre Dame. In basketball they aren't a big deal.
Notre Dame also sponsors more sports than a Catholic league would provide.
Yeah Joey I was wondering about this - do you know how many other sports the Catholic league could not support that Notre Dame has?
(10-12-2011 05:43 PM)Joey_Niklas Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2011 05:37 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2011 05:33 PM)Tampa Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]BE basketball isn't going anywhere. Not sure what Brey is worried about. A worst case scenario for ND is losing the fb schools and possibly adding a few basketball schools such as Xavier and Dayton.
I don't think the ACC will be telling ND that it's now or never anytime soon.
Notre Dame's friends in the Big East were the football schools though. For all we know the other basketball schools dont care either way about Notre Dame. In basketball they aren't a big deal.
Notre Dame also sponsors more sports than a Catholic league would provide.
Right, my point was that if the football schools all split and all that is left of the Big East are the non-football schools then Notre Dame no longer has any privilege there and who knows what new rules would be passed and additions made that Notre Dame wouldn't care for. Also the prestige of Big East basketball will not be what it was with Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia and UConn being there. There will be serious discussion about whether or not maintaining that so called "Independent" status is worth maintaining when the price of such is remaining in a B League conference. When football leaves the Big East I would bet that Notre Dame will soon be joining the ACC.
Your point adds further weight to the idea that Notre Dame leaves when the football programs leave.
(10-12-2011 05:43 PM)Joey_Niklas Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2011 05:37 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2011 05:33 PM)Tampa Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]BE basketball isn't going anywhere. Not sure what Brey is worried about. A worst case scenario for ND is losing the fb schools and possibly adding a few basketball schools such as Xavier and Dayton.
I don't think the ACC will be telling ND that it's now or never anytime soon.
Notre Dame's friends in the Big East were the football schools though. For all we know the other basketball schools dont care either way about Notre Dame. In basketball they aren't a big deal.
Notre Dame also sponsors more sports than a Catholic league would provide.
That is true. They have every sport under the sun like OSU. They probably have a beer pong team.
(10-12-2011 05:47 PM)ringmaster Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2011 05:43 PM)Joey_Niklas Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2011 05:37 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2011 05:33 PM)Tampa Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]BE basketball isn't going anywhere. Not sure what Brey is worried about. A worst case scenario for ND is losing the fb schools and possibly adding a few basketball schools such as Xavier and Dayton.
I don't think the ACC will be telling ND that it's now or never anytime soon.
Notre Dame's friends in the Big East were the football schools though. For all we know the other basketball schools dont care either way about Notre Dame. In basketball they aren't a big deal.
Notre Dame also sponsors more sports than a Catholic league would provide.
Yeah Joey I was wondering about this - do you know how many other sports the Catholic league could not support that Notre Dame has?
Of course, but ND ain't joining the ACC just so their tennis team has a conference home.
I realize that olympic sports are important to ND. But, if their football independence is 1/10 of 1% as important as they lead us to believe, they're going nowhere anytime soon. The only other major conference that *might* take their non-football sports is the B12, and that isn't east.
(10-12-2011 05:58 PM)Tampa Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2011 05:47 PM)ringmaster Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2011 05:43 PM)Joey_Niklas Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2011 05:37 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2011 05:33 PM)Tampa Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]BE basketball isn't going anywhere. Not sure what Brey is worried about. A worst case scenario for ND is losing the fb schools and possibly adding a few basketball schools such as Xavier and Dayton.
I don't think the ACC will be telling ND that it's now or never anytime soon.
Notre Dame's friends in the Big East were the football schools though. For all we know the other basketball schools dont care either way about Notre Dame. In basketball they aren't a big deal.
Notre Dame also sponsors more sports than a Catholic league would provide.
Yeah Joey I was wondering about this - do you know how many other sports the Catholic league could not support that Notre Dame has?
Of course, but ND ain't joining the ACC just so their tennis team has a conference home.
I realize that olympic sports are important to ND. But, if their football independence is 1/10 of 1% as important as they lead us to believe, they're going nowhere anytime soon. The only other major conference that *might* take their non-football sports is the B12, and that isn't east.
I highly doubt that the new conference built from the ashes of the Big East will give Notre Dame any special treatment. There have to be some ill feelings there. Notre Dame isn't going to allow some of their sports to go dormant and in this instance every conference out there knows Notre Dame needs a home. ACC might try to hard ball them and say they can only join with all sports and if the new Big East doesnt all them in on a limited basis and we know the B1G wont allow them in with limited sports then they have no choice but to make a conference choice for football.
To continue independence at the cost of olympic sports would be completely hypocritical as they have always maintained how important all of their programs are to the identity of the school. They will in essence be forced to give up football independence or admit that their olympic sports programs have never really been as important as has been stated.
(10-12-2011 06:05 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ]They will in essence be forced to give up football independence or admit that their olympic sports programs have never really been as important as has been stated.
Yet the importance of their football independence has been stated so many times that our ears bleed.
(10-12-2011 05:31 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2011 05:20 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ]Why don't you just join for all sports including football and solidify the conference ND.
Freaking bloodsucker.
(10-12-2011 05:24 PM)Knightsweat Wrote: [ -> ]You're not supposed to question ND's actions. They are after all God's college football team. They'll do as they please and you will thank them for it. Their superiority is beyond mortal questioning.
Yes, it is quite amusing to see an institution that so proudly uses symbology of a man that supposedly lived his life in service to others before himself, in order to sell their brand, allowing the demise of a conference that has been so good and accommodating to them and their "Independent" ways instead of fully joining that organization in an effort that would have absolutely SAVED it.
Talk about practice what you preach.....
I'm sorry if that is considered a low blow around here but its the truth.
You guys are really equating Jesus Christ to a football conference issue? Wow. This is a freaking game, guys. A game. A sport.
Also, why should ND join the Big East Conference? You guys are climbing over each other trying to get out....
ND football would have taken a big hit, financially and otherwise, by joining the Big East Conference between 1995-2010.
To join it now would be a really bad decision on ND's part.
ND does not owe the Big East anything. It joined with the up front disclosure and understanding that football would never be included.
The Big East presidents voted ND into the conference with this understanding.
Why didn't the football schools split and start their own all sports conference? They had the "get out of jail" card but were too afraid and divided to use it.
Why didn't any of the BE football schools win big and gain enough fans and TV viewers across the country to be an "anchor" team for the conference?
Instead, those schools want someone else to come in and save BE football.
ND has a number of options that do not include joining the Big East for football.
(10-12-2011 06:05 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2011 05:58 PM)Tampa Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2011 05:47 PM)ringmaster Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2011 05:43 PM)Joey_Niklas Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2011 05:37 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ]Notre Dame's friends in the Big East were the football schools though. For all we know the other basketball schools dont care either way about Notre Dame. In basketball they aren't a big deal.
Notre Dame also sponsors more sports than a Catholic league would provide.
Yeah Joey I was wondering about this - do you know how many other sports the Catholic league could not support that Notre Dame has?
Of course, but ND ain't joining the ACC just so their tennis team has a conference home.
I realize that olympic sports are important to ND. But, if their football independence is 1/10 of 1% as important as they lead us to believe, they're going nowhere anytime soon. The only other major conference that *might* take their non-football sports is the B12, and that isn't east.
I highly doubt that the new conference built from the ashes of the Big East will give Notre Dame any special treatment. There have to be some ill feelings there. Notre Dame isn't going to allow some of their sports to go dormant and in this instance every conference out there knows Notre Dame needs a home. ACC might try to hard ball them and say they can only join with all sports and if the new Big East doesnt all them in on a limited basis and we know the B1G wont allow them in with limited sports then they have no choice but to make a conference choice for football.
To continue independence at the cost of olympic sports would be completely hypocritical as they have always maintained how important all of their programs are to the identity of the school. They will in essence be forced to give up football independence or admit that their olympic sports programs have never really been as important as has been stated.
Do you have any idea what you are talking about? What ill feelings between ND and the other Catholic schools? Are you just making stuff up as you go?
ND values its other sports. It values football independence more.
(10-12-2011 06:13 PM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2011 06:05 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2011 05:58 PM)Tampa Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2011 05:47 PM)ringmaster Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2011 05:43 PM)Joey_Niklas Wrote: [ -> ]Notre Dame also sponsors more sports than a Catholic league would provide.
Yeah Joey I was wondering about this - do you know how many other sports the Catholic league could not support that Notre Dame has?
Of course, but ND ain't joining the ACC just so their tennis team has a conference home.
I realize that olympic sports are important to ND. But, if their football independence is 1/10 of 1% as important as they lead us to believe, they're going nowhere anytime soon. The only other major conference that *might* take their non-football sports is the B12, and that isn't east.
I highly doubt that the new conference built from the ashes of the Big East will give Notre Dame any special treatment. There have to be some ill feelings there. Notre Dame isn't going to allow some of their sports to go dormant and in this instance every conference out there knows Notre Dame needs a home. ACC might try to hard ball them and say they can only join with all sports and if the new Big East doesnt all them in on a limited basis and we know the B1G wont allow them in with limited sports then they have no choice but to make a conference choice for football.
To continue independence at the cost of olympic sports would be completely hypocritical as they have always maintained how important all of their programs are to the identity of the school. They will in essence be forced to give up football independence or admit that their olympic sports programs have never really been as important as has been stated.
Do you have any idea what you are talking about? What ill feelings between ND and the other Catholic schools? Are you just making stuff up as you go?
ND values its other sports. It values football independence more.
I know you weren't talking to me but I'm definitely making stuff up as I go. However, it boils down to common sense, right? ND can always find a home for a sport that may not be offered in a "home" conference. Afterall, this is fairly common through college athletics. Kentucky and South Carolina play soccer in C-USA, woopdedoo.
(10-12-2011 05:43 PM)Joey_Niklas Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2011 05:37 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2011 05:33 PM)Tampa Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]BE basketball isn't going anywhere. Not sure what Brey is worried about. A worst case scenario for ND is losing the fb schools and possibly adding a few basketball schools such as Xavier and Dayton.
I don't think the ACC will be telling ND that it's now or never anytime soon.
Notre Dame's friends in the Big East were the football schools though. For all we know the other basketball schools dont care either way about Notre Dame. In basketball they aren't a big deal.
Notre Dame also sponsors more sports than a Catholic league would provide.
not that much more. nova and gtown support a healthy amount of teams as well. Depending upon who joined the catholic group the number of sports supported by the confernce shouldnt change that much
(10-12-2011 06:13 PM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2011 06:05 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2011 05:58 PM)Tampa Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2011 05:47 PM)ringmaster Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2011 05:43 PM)Joey_Niklas Wrote: [ -> ]Notre Dame also sponsors more sports than a Catholic league would provide.
Yeah Joey I was wondering about this - do you know how many other sports the Catholic league could not support that Notre Dame has?
Of course, but ND ain't joining the ACC just so their tennis team has a conference home.
I realize that olympic sports are important to ND. But, if their football independence is 1/10 of 1% as important as they lead us to believe, they're going nowhere anytime soon. The only other major conference that *might* take their non-football sports is the B12, and that isn't east.
I highly doubt that the new conference built from the ashes of the Big East will give Notre Dame any special treatment. There have to be some ill feelings there. Notre Dame isn't going to allow some of their sports to go dormant and in this instance every conference out there knows Notre Dame needs a home. ACC might try to hard ball them and say they can only join with all sports and if the new Big East doesnt all them in on a limited basis and we know the B1G wont allow them in with limited sports then they have no choice but to make a conference choice for football.
To continue independence at the cost of olympic sports would be completely hypocritical as they have always maintained how important all of their programs are to the identity of the school. They will in essence be forced to give up football independence or admit that their olympic sports programs have never really been as important as has been stated.
Do you have any idea what you are talking about? What ill feelings between ND and the other Catholic schools? Are you just making stuff up as you go?
ND values its other sports. It values football independence more.
Ill feelings? No I said they simply probably dont have feelings either way for Notre Dame. The ill feelings I alluded to are from the FOOTBALL SCHOOLS that would be creating a new conference. The likelihood of them again allowing Notre Dame to take part in all sports except football isn't so good in my opinion.
I am sorry if that wasnt understandable for you but in this case it is you making things up about my statements as you go.
I find it hilarious that Notre Dame would consider trying to go independent in all sports or joining multiple different conferences for different sports of theirs simply so that their football can remain independent. It is one thing to value your independence but that is taking it beyond the line of rationality when Notre Dame, a self professed East Coast school, could just join the premier East Coast Conference in the ACC. They could still schedule three out of conference games against the likes of Michigan, Navy and USC while being able to retain their preferred games with Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College, Maryland as well as then having the rest of their conference games which they certainly wont dislike.
That will be so much fun to watch. Some folks just cant get past a traditional mindset even when it harms them.
If ND wants a conference other than the Big East, they'll get one, and they'll be able to keep their football indy.
The ACC is at least thinking about making that offer. Someone from one of their schools said it would be worth a few million per year if ND played two FB games a year at ACC schools (i.e., two ND games included in the ACC's TV contract), so somebody's been running the numbers to figure out what the ACC wants to ask for.