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Toledo lost heartbreakers to OSU and 'Cuse (disputed) and today did a number of a very good Temple team.

CMU rebounded to beat NIU.

And WMU is a very, very underrated team. Lost a toughie to Illinois last week and beat UConn today behind FOUR hundred and seventy nine (479) yards from QB Alex Carder

There are some very,very tough teams in the MAC West.

MAC could see UT, WMU, and NIU in bowl games.
Not gonna lie, I'll be happy if we win 1 out of those 3. The schedule softens up a lot after this tough stretch, so there would still be an opportunity for 6 or 7 wins if we go 1-2 in our next 3.
Oklahoma 10 BSU 6 in the 2nd quarter. OU is #2 nationally.
(10-01-2011 07:07 PM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]Oklahoma 10 BSU 6 in the 2nd quarter. OU is #2 nationally.

OU 62 BS 6
(10-02-2011 01:14 AM)ljmhurons Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-01-2011 07:07 PM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]Oklahoma 10 BSU 6 in the 2nd quarter. OU is #2 nationally.

OU 62 BS 6

Okay, Oklahoma is TOUGH. I was surprised that BSU stayed with Oklahoma through one quarter +.

MAC teams can hang with good BT teams like UofM, PSU, OSU etc. this year but can't with schools like WI (NIU got beat badly, oops so did Nebraska), or Oklahoma or Boise.

My 'rule of thumb' is that a MAC schools should avoid IF at all possible a team ranked in the top 10.
These standings show how tough a schedule the MAC West (but not the East) has played.

Only two MAC East teams has played a top 25 team while each MAC West team has played at least one (WMU two - IL and UofM).

http://espn.go.com/ncf/conferences/stand...&year=2011
(10-02-2011 04:30 AM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-02-2011 01:14 AM)ljmhurons Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-01-2011 07:07 PM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]Oklahoma 10 BSU 6 in the 2nd quarter. OU is #2 nationally.

OU 62 BS 6

Okay, Oklahoma is TOUGH. I was surprised that BSU stayed with Oklahoma through one quarter +.

MAC teams can hang with good BT teams like UofM, PSU, OSU etc. this year but can't with schools like WI (NIU got beat badly, oops so did Nebraska), or Oklahoma or Boise.

My 'rule of thumb' is that a MAC schools should avoid IF at all possible a team ranked in the top 10.

MAC teams should try to schedule more teams like Minnesota, Indiana, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, the entire Big East, Most of the ACC. We can play .500 ball against that type of competition. I don't see the value in getting hammered by Top 10 teams. It's a real morale crusher for those teams. The big difference is depth. When MAC teams go to their bench, there is a huge dropoff, when the major conference teams do, they can still roll out 4 star recruits.

Plus, those big guys never come to our venues. They always have home field advantage. That is why I am so impressed with Toledo's program, they can get big schools to come play them, and they've won a bunch of those games. Toledo is the class of the MAC: nice campus, cool stadium, great community support, fertile recruiting base, good size market.
Bob, agree with everything you posted.

Toledo should be proud of their football program which is hitting on all cylinders.

It is a model for MAC schools.
(10-02-2011 07:48 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-02-2011 04:30 AM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-02-2011 01:14 AM)ljmhurons Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-01-2011 07:07 PM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]Oklahoma 10 BSU 6 in the 2nd quarter. OU is #2 nationally.

OU 62 BS 6

Okay, Oklahoma is TOUGH. I was surprised that BSU stayed with Oklahoma through one quarter +.

MAC teams can hang with good BT teams like UofM, PSU, OSU etc. this year but can't with schools like WI (NIU got beat badly, oops so did Nebraska), or Oklahoma or Boise.

My 'rule of thumb' is that a MAC schools should avoid IF at all possible a team ranked in the top 10.

MAC teams should try to schedule more teams like Minnesota, Indiana, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, the entire Big East, Most of the ACC. We can play .500 ball against that type of competition. I don't see the value in getting hammered by Top 10 teams. It's a real morale crusher for those teams. The big difference is depth. When MAC teams go to their bench, there is a huge dropoff, when the major conference teams do, they can still roll out 4 star recruits.

Plus, those big guys never come to our venues. They always have home field advantage. That is why I am so impressed with Toledo's program, they can get big schools to come play them, and they've won a bunch of those games. Toledo is the class of the MAC: nice campus, cool stadium, great community support, fertile recruiting base, good size market.

Bob,

Great read and great points... I want to add to this, this is what I think RE is trying to do, we need to start landing the best in Michigan if we can. I think the campus look is a thing of the pass. I would like to see more cheeks in the seats... and pre & post game talk with the RE show Q&A's
(10-02-2011 07:48 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-02-2011 04:30 AM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-02-2011 01:14 AM)ljmhurons Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-01-2011 07:07 PM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]Oklahoma 10 BSU 6 in the 2nd quarter. OU is #2 nationally.

OU 62 BS 6

Okay, Oklahoma is TOUGH. I was surprised that BSU stayed with Oklahoma through one quarter +.

MAC teams can hang with good BT teams like UofM, PSU, OSU etc. this year but can't with schools like WI (NIU got beat badly, oops so did Nebraska), or Oklahoma or Boise.

My 'rule of thumb' is that a MAC schools should avoid IF at all possible a team ranked in the top 10.

MAC teams should try to schedule more teams like Minnesota, Indiana, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, the entire Big East, Most of the ACC. We can play .500 ball against that type of competition. I don't see the value in getting hammered by Top 10 teams. It's a real morale crusher for those teams. The big difference is depth. When MAC teams go to their bench, there is a huge dropoff, when the major conference teams do, they can still roll out 4 star recruits.

Plus, those big guys never come to our venues. They always have home field advantage. That is why I am so impressed with Toledo's program, they can get big schools to come play them, and they've won a bunch of those games. Toledo is the class of the MAC: nice campus, cool stadium, great community support, fertile recruiting base, good size market.

There is absolutely no evidence that the MAC can play .500 against the teams you cited. But there is plenty of evidence against it.

Not including this year's games, the MAC is 22-89-1 all time vs the Big East, 11-63 against the ACC, 4-24 against Minnesota, 5-24 against Indiana, 5-24 against Kentucky, and 2-7 vs Vanderbilt.
http://mcubed.net/ncaaf/tvc/mac/index.shtml
(10-02-2011 02:13 PM)ljmhurons Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-02-2011 07:48 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-02-2011 04:30 AM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-02-2011 01:14 AM)ljmhurons Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-01-2011 07:07 PM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]Oklahoma 10 BSU 6 in the 2nd quarter. OU is #2 nationally.

OU 62 BS 6

Okay, Oklahoma is TOUGH. I was surprised that BSU stayed with Oklahoma through one quarter +.

MAC teams can hang with good BT teams like UofM, PSU, OSU etc. this year but can't with schools like WI (NIU got beat badly, oops so did Nebraska), or Oklahoma or Boise.

My 'rule of thumb' is that a MAC schools should avoid IF at all possible a team ranked in the top 10.

MAC teams should try to schedule more teams like Minnesota, Indiana, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, the entire Big East, Most of the ACC. We can play .500 ball against that type of competition. I don't see the value in getting hammered by Top 10 teams. It's a real morale crusher for those teams. The big difference is depth. When MAC teams go to their bench, there is a huge dropoff, when the major conference teams do, they can still roll out 4 star recruits.

Plus, those big guys never come to our venues. They always have home field advantage. That is why I am so impressed with Toledo's program, they can get big schools to come play them, and they've won a bunch of those games. Toledo is the class of the MAC: nice campus, cool stadium, great community support, fertile recruiting base, good size market.

There is absolutely no evidence that the MAC can play .500 against the teams you cited. But there is plenty of evidence against it.

Not including this year's games, the MAC is 22-89-1 all time vs the Big East, 11-63 against the ACC, 4-24 against Minnesota, 5-24 against Indiana, 5-24 against Kentucky, and 2-7 vs Vanderbilt.
http://mcubed.net/ncaaf/tvc/mac/index.shtml

I still think it's a good thing to play against these OOC teams. This is a good way to measure ourselves for improvement. I also think this is a good way to prepare for the up coming MAC season. Beside, we are receiving lots of money to travel to their venue to play. This money helps funds the school sports programs.

If we get to the points where we are winning I think we will be in a better position to demand they come to our home site to play...
Hey EMU did better against Michigan than Minnesota did.
(10-02-2011 02:13 PM)ljmhurons Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-02-2011 07:48 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-02-2011 04:30 AM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-02-2011 01:14 AM)ljmhurons Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-01-2011 07:07 PM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]Oklahoma 10 BSU 6 in the 2nd quarter. OU is #2 nationally.

OU 62 BS 6

Okay, Oklahoma is TOUGH. I was surprised that BSU stayed with Oklahoma through one quarter +.

MAC teams can hang with good BT teams like UofM, PSU, OSU etc. this year but can't with schools like WI (NIU got beat badly, oops so did Nebraska), or Oklahoma or Boise.

My 'rule of thumb' is that a MAC schools should avoid IF at all possible a team ranked in the top 10.

MAC teams should try to schedule more teams like Minnesota, Indiana, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, the entire Big East, Most of the ACC. We can play .500 ball against that type of competition. I don't see the value in getting hammered by Top 10 teams. It's a real morale crusher for those teams. The big difference is depth. When MAC teams go to their bench, there is a huge dropoff, when the major conference teams do, they can still roll out 4 star recruits.

Plus, those big guys never come to our venues. They always have home field advantage. That is why I am so impressed with Toledo's program, they can get big schools to come play them, and they've won a bunch of those games. Toledo is the class of the MAC: nice campus, cool stadium, great community support, fertile recruiting base, good size market.

There is absolutely no evidence that the MAC can play .500 against the teams you cited. But there is plenty of evidence against it.

Not including this year's games, the MAC is 22-89-1 all time vs the Big East, 11-63 against the ACC, 4-24 against Minnesota, 5-24 against Indiana, 5-24 against Kentucky, and 2-7 vs Vanderbilt.
http://mcubed.net/ncaaf/tvc/mac/index.shtml

The problem has been that the FBS teams will typically get a 2-1 or a 1 and done with MAC programs, that home advantage means alot. The Rockets' record against FBS teams is much better in the Glass Bowl than on the road. Another problem is once you beat them, they don't want to do a new contract. No calls from Penn State or UM for games with Toledo.
We need to win one of these next three for this season to be considered even a marginal progression forward. For some reason, I am optimistic about our ability to beat WMU on homecoming.

If EMU goes 0-3, English will (or should) be on notice.
(10-06-2011 12:59 AM)holybovine Wrote: [ -> ]We need to win one of these next three for this season to be considered even a marginal progression forward. For some reason, I am optimistic about our ability to beat WMU on homecoming.

If EMU goes 0-3, English will (or should) be on notice.

I don't see 'English on notice'.

He seems to be building a program not so much out of the UofM playbook (comparisons to UofM aren't accurate) but Joe Novak's NIU Huskies.

Joe completely rebuilt a program which was a dog (no pun intended) and it was based on a very strong OL and then added the other pieces.

Some here may remember that NIU had a horrific losing streak

In terms of wins English's track or surpass what happened at NIU.

For those looking at another MAJOR rebuild job, just look at the football program 30 miles east which plays at Ford Field.

0 - 16, 2 - 14, 6 - 10 and now 4 - 0.

In MLB there was a really good rebuild job across the street from Ford Field. The Tigers were truly awful around '03 but played in the WS in '06.
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