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What I'm hearing is that of the 10 teams that applied to the ACC five were from the BE.

SYR
Pitt
UCONN
Rutgers
NOVA

Temple also applied to the ACC

According to ESPN UCONN just upped their application. They will the be next. Rutgers or Temple would make it 16.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...ource-says

In light of this Louisville, Cincy, TCU and USF must join the B12. There will be five BCS conferences not four and not six. You'll see.

From a northeastern perspective. I've always said a superconference would be anchored in the northeast and the BE was already there so the ACC was out of luck. The ACC actually is now the BE NOrtheast if they add UCONN and Rutgers. Swofford is a duche but he outplayed Marinatto big time. The BE only had to add BC and Maryland, the ACC had to add four or five and Marinatto got outplayed.

The ACC was dying in the shadow of the SEC but now they have the ACC North (BE) and the ACC south (ACC). They literally are adding the BE north to the ACC.

What does that mean. That means that they can have two separate BB tournaments one in the north and south. One in NCarolina and one in NYC. Swofford literally has stolen the BE right out of marinatto's pocket.

This is like someone coming to your house and leaving with your wife and your kids too.

Louisville may not have known this was going down but I think other BE schools who applied knew.

Is it death for Louisville, Cincy, TCU and USF. Hardly, THis group is already equal to the ACC in football clout with two great teams and two BCS experience teams. Louisville has a BCS ring already.

IF SYR joined the ACC south. That would suck. IF SYR joined UCONN, PItt, BC, Maryland, rutgers or Temple or both, then that's just the BE northeast with a different name and adding Maryland. And I've always perferred Temple to Nova.

Swofford literally stole the BE northeast from the BE. ANd added Maryland and BC that Marinatto talked about adding.

If the nothern school can hold a separate BB tournament up north and then play the southern BB tournament winner---Marinatto should get lifetime free tickets to the game.

I hate the ACc but to me, the BE by any other name is still the BE.

I think all BE schools survive this. BB schools always said if we hate it leave. Now you have it.

The BEast non-football schools will eventually fade into irrelevance. The remaining football schools will join with the remnants of the Big XII, after Texas and Oklahoma (along with TT and OSU) announce they're headed to the Pac12 tomorrow...

IMO The BEast will become another A10 shortly...

(09-18-2011 03:20 PM)Ottoman Wrote: [ -> ]What I'm hearing is that of the 10 teams that applied to the ACC five were from the BE.

SYR
Pitt
UCONN
Rutgers
NOVA

Temple also applied to the ACC

According to ESPN UCONN just upped their application. They will the be next. Rutgers or Temple would make it 16.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...ource-says

In light of this Louisville, Cincy, TCU and USF must join the B12. There will be five BCS conferences not four and not six. You'll see.

From a northeastern perspective. I've always said a superconference would be anchored in the northeast and the BE was already there so the ACC was out of luck. The ACC actually is now the BE NOrtheast if they add UCONN and Rutgers. Swofford is a duche but he outplayed Marinatto big time. The BE only had to add BC and Maryland, the ACC had to add four or five and Marinatto got outplayed.

The ACC was dying in the shadow of the SEC but now they have the ACC North (BE) and the ACC south (ACC). They literally are adding the BE north to the ACC.

What does that mean. That means that they can have two separate BB tournaments one in the north and south. One in NCarolina and one in NYC. Swofford literally has stolen the BE right out of marinatto's pocket.

This is like someone coming to your house and leaving with your wife and your kids too.

Louisville may not have known this was going down but I think other BE schools who applied knew.

Is it death for Louisville, Cincy, TCU and USF. Hardly, THis group is already equal to the ACC in football clout with two great teams and two BCS experience teams. Louisville has a BCS ring already.

IF SYR joined the ACC south. That would suck. IF SYR joined UCONN, PItt, BC, Maryland, rutgers or Temple or both, then that's just the BE northeast with a different name and adding Maryland. And I've always perferred Temple to Nova.

Swofford literally stole the BE northeast from the BE. ANd added Maryland and BC that Marinatto talked about adding.

If the nothern school can hold a separate BB tournament up north and then play the southern BB tournament winner---Marinatto should get lifetime free tickets to the game.

I hate the ACc but to me, the BE by any other name is still the BE.

I think all BE schools survive this. BB schools always said if we hate it leave. Now you have it.

You mention WVU no where in your discussion; classic.

(09-18-2011 04:15 PM)Tigeer Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-18-2011 03:20 PM)Ottoman Wrote: [ -> ]What I'm hearing is that of the 10 teams that applied to the ACC five were from the BE.

SYR
Pitt
UCONN
Rutgers
NOVA

Temple also applied to the ACC

According to ESPN UCONN just upped their application. They will the be next. Rutgers or Temple would make it 16.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...ource-says

In light of this Louisville, Cincy, TCU and USF must join the B12. There will be five BCS conferences not four and not six. You'll see.

From a northeastern perspective. I've always said a superconference would be anchored in the northeast and the BE was already there so the ACC was out of luck. The ACC actually is now the BE NOrtheast if they add UCONN and Rutgers. Swofford is a duche but he outplayed Marinatto big time. The BE only had to add BC and Maryland, the ACC had to add four or five and Marinatto got outplayed.

The ACC was dying in the shadow of the SEC but now they have the ACC North (BE) and the ACC south (ACC). They literally are adding the BE north to the ACC.

What does that mean. That means that they can have two separate BB tournaments one in the north and south. One in NCarolina and one in NYC. Swofford literally has stolen the BE right out of marinatto's pocket.

This is like someone coming to your house and leaving with your wife and your kids too.

Louisville may not have known this was going down but I think other BE schools who applied knew.

Is it death for Louisville, Cincy, TCU and USF. Hardly, THis group is already equal to the ACC in football clout with two great teams and two BCS experience teams. Louisville has a BCS ring already.

IF SYR joined the ACC south. That would suck. IF SYR joined UCONN, PItt, BC, Maryland, rutgers or Temple or both, then that's just the BE northeast with a different name and adding Maryland. And I've always perferred Temple to Nova.

Swofford literally stole the BE northeast from the BE. ANd added Maryland and BC that Marinatto talked about adding.

If the nothern school can hold a separate BB tournament up north and then play the southern BB tournament winner---Marinatto should get lifetime free tickets to the game.

I hate the ACc but to me, the BE by any other name is still the BE.

I think all BE schools survive this. BB schools always said if we hate it leave. Now you have it.

You mention WVU no where in your discussion; classic.

WVU only wants the SEC, and is probably going to get the SEC. He was only taking about the ACC.

WVU is SEC bound, that's why.

(09-18-2011 04:17 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote: [ -> ]WVU only wants the SEC, and is probably going to get the SEC. He was only taking about the ACC.

Exactly. Expansion is supposed to really be all about football and WVu is the BE's best football prize. I don't think WVU is interested in the B12. WVU goes to the SEC- either immediately or eventually.

The ACC's expansion is really not about football. Swofford was always jealous of BE BB. He also hated Miami's FB success here and he hated the early BE BB success. His last expansion made the BE more successful in BB clout. So if you can't beat them-steal them.

As far as WVU is concerned: In terms of FB or BB value or fan following- we don't have to worry about WVU they lead the BE most of those categories and recently made the FF in BB. WVU is headed to a better place than any of us.

(09-18-2011 04:25 PM)KnightChris Wrote: [ -> ]I'm mystified as to how any 'Cuse fan can't be ecstatic over the prospect of this division: 'Cuse, Pitt, BC, Va Tech, Miami, Rutgers, UConn, & Maryland. Short of adding WVU, Penn State, & the New York Jets, not sure what more you want.

Miami won't be in the north division. It would have to be Virginia. If Rutgers goes to the B10 - and they don't seem to be going after the ACC like UCONN is- it will be Temple.

(09-18-2011 04:38 PM)KnightChris Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-18-2011 04:35 PM)Ottoman Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-18-2011 04:25 PM)KnightChris Wrote: [ -> ]I'm mystified as to how any 'Cuse fan can't be ecstatic over the prospect of this division: 'Cuse, Pitt, BC, Va Tech, Miami, Rutgers, UConn, & Maryland. Short of adding WVU, Penn State, & the New York Jets, not sure what more you want.

Miami won't be in the north division. It would have to be Virginia. If Rutgers goes to the B10 - and they don't seem to be going after the ACC like UCONN is- it will be Temple.

I can guarantee it won't be Temple. If the school getting poached right now didn't want them, the conference doing the poaching certainly won't either.

And you're assuming the conference's divisions will be based solely along geographic lines, which they aren't currently, so not sure why you're assuming that.

Nova was mentioned as part of the SYR/Pitt deal with Pitt supporting Nova- i read somewhere- after Pitt turned down Nova for BE expansion. Swofford wanted the northeast BB markets and Philly is #3 or 4 in the nation. Philly is a better market than Boston. No way you're in the northeast and not be in Philly.

Geographic lines make the most sense in terms of the greater travel there now is and is best for rivalries and fan traveling.

(09-18-2011 04:10 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]The BEast non-football schools will eventually fade into irrelevance. The remaining football schools will join with the remnants of the Big XII, after Texas and Oklahoma (along with TT and OSU) announce they're headed to the Pac12 tomorrow...

IMO The BEast will become another A10 shortly...

bit,
you think the big 12 taskes nova all sports?

(09-18-2011 04:47 PM)Stookey57 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-18-2011 04:10 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]The BEast non-football schools will eventually fade into irrelevance. The remaining football schools will join with the remnants of the Big XII, after Texas and Oklahoma (along with TT and OSU) announce they're headed to the Pac12 tomorrow...

IMO The BEast will become another A10 shortly...

bit,
you think the big 12 taskes nova all sports?

I am hearing Nova was involved in B12 talks, if Pitt declined.

(09-18-2011 05:01 PM)MU88 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-18-2011 04:47 PM)Stookey57 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-18-2011 04:10 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]The BEast non-football schools will eventually fade into irrelevance. The remaining football schools will join with the remnants of the Big XII, after Texas and Oklahoma (along with TT and OSU) announce they're headed to the Pac12 tomorrow...

IMO The BEast will become another A10 shortly...

bit,
you think the big 12 taskes nova all sports?

I am hearing Nova was involved in B12 talks, if Pitt declined.

Nova is plumb silly. Dind't Temple just wipe up the field with them. They are FCS with 8,000 fans and 8,000 students and a 18,000 seat stadium. Temple has 30,000 students. What's everyone drinking.

i dont get the Nova thing to the ACC or B12. Mercifully this should put their fbs aspirations to rest

(09-18-2011 04:45 PM)Ottoman Wrote: [ -> ]Nova was mentioned as part of the SYR/Pitt deal with Pitt supporting Nova- i read somewhere- after Pitt turned down Nova for BE expansion. Swofford wanted the northeast BB markets and Philly is #3 or 4 in the nation. Philly is a better market than Boston. No way you're in the northeast and not be in Philly.

(09-18-2011 05:10 PM)Ottoman Wrote: [ -> ]Nova is plumb silly. Didn't Temple just wipe up the field with them. They are FCS with 8,000 fans and 8,000 students and a 18,000 seat stadium. Temple has 30,000 students. What's everyone drinking.

how can the same person make these two statements consecutively? Weird.

Anyway, funny how some blame the BB schools for shoving Nova down the FB schools throats, yet here are two football schools (the ones who pushed for nova originally) trying to take them with them?

(09-18-2011 05:16 PM)adcorbett Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-18-2011 04:45 PM)Ottoman Wrote: [ -> ]Nova was mentioned as part of the SYR/Pitt deal with Pitt supporting Nova- i read somewhere- after Pitt turned down Nova for BE expansion. Swofford wanted the northeast BB markets and Philly is #3 or 4 in the nation. Philly is a better market than Boston. No way you're in the northeast and not be in Philly.

(09-18-2011 05:10 PM)Ottoman Wrote: [ -> ]Nova is plumb silly. Didn't Temple just wipe up the field with them. They are FCS with 8,000 fans and 8,000 students and a 18,000 seat stadium. Temple has 30,000 students. What's everyone drinking.

how can the same person make these two statements consecutively? Weird.

Anyway, funny how some blame the BB schools for shoving Nova down the FB schools throats, yet here are two football schools (the ones who pushed for nova originally) trying to take them with them?

Gotta read it in context. Philly markets- I'm talking about Temple. Mentioning Nova is because someone said BE would never consider a team they turned down so I said Pitt was in support of NOva after turning them down but the ACC should not ignore the Philly market- meaning Temple not NOva. I'm consistent is saying Nova is plumb silly. The good stuff about Philly is in reference to Temple.

So you suggest temple in place of one of UConn or Rutgers?

(09-18-2011 05:21 PM)adcorbett Wrote: [ -> ]So you suggest temple in place of one of UConn or Rutgers?

No I said if Rutgers goes to the B10.

DO you suggest Nova in place of UCONN or Rutgers?

(09-18-2011 04:25 PM)KnightChris Wrote: [ -> ]Well, it will absolutely not be Temple or Villanova, so you're basically saying Rutgers & UConn which is who most figured anyway.

I realize some fans will find a reason to ***** regardless, but I'm mystified as to how any 'Cuse fan can't be ecstatic over the prospect of this division: 'Cuse, Pitt, BC, Va Tech, Miami, Rutgers, UConn, & Maryland. Short of adding WVU, Penn State, & the New York Jets, not sure what more you want.

I don't love all the shadiness that has gone on around all of this for years. But I love the idea of that being a division in the ACC. (I still don't like the sound of that but these days are what they are.) For years if this sort of superconference scenario were to happen I thought I'd want the Big Ten but given how the ACC has come together that's where I hope Rutgers ends up.

So Pitt was ok with a Nova upgrade but were so unhappy with the BE they snuck off to the ACC? Thankfuly Nova was rejected. Imagine if they got the ok with Pitts support and this happened? They would have really been screwed by Pitt

(09-18-2011 05:33 PM)gosports1 Wrote: [ -> ]So Pitt was ok with a Nova upgrade but were so unhappy with the BE they snuck off to the ACC? Thankfuly Nova was rejected. Imagine if they got the ok with Pitts support and this happened? They would have really been screwed by Pitt

They would have been screwed by themselves. Pitt didn't tell them they should move up.

(09-18-2011 05:24 PM)KnightChris Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-18-2011 05:16 PM)adcorbett Wrote: [ -> ]Anyway, funny how some blame the BB schools for shoving Nova down the FB schools throats, yet here are two football schools (the ones who pushed for nova originally) trying to take them with them?

Is there any source for this besides the original poster's comment though? Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Syracuse has an affable enough relationship with Villanova, but I can't see us going to bat for them. I can't answer for Pitt fans though.

You may be right here and I may have been wrong. Boston College is the one who pushed for Nova (selink) But I think I clearly read where NOva was part of the SYR/Pitt deal. I'll keep looking:

http://vuhoops.com/2011/09/17/source-nov...acc-talks/



According to the source, Boston College Athletics Director Gene DeFilippo was one of the biggest proponents of bringing Villanova into the conference. That news was perhaps most surprising, since it has been believed that DeFillipo was not on good terms with his former employer.



This question from a NOVA fan just kills me:


Tom Coates
Brian, does the ACC have any concerns with seating capacity if 'Nova were to play at PPL? Or are they more flexible about that issue than the Big East?