Non-AQ Sagarin's after week 1:
MWC (69.54)
CUSA (64.25)
WAC (63.01)
MAC (62.22)
SBC (57.44)
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc11.htm
-The MWC is still far and away the best non-AQ conference. Next year with TCU departing and Hawaii, Fresno, Nevada joining on present numbers they would be averaging (69.18) or pretty much equal to what they have now.
As a side note, a rising Baylor program (74.28) may have to find refuge in the MWC further elevating there football profile. I've had the chances for an MWC autobid at 75/25 since before the realignment and with the Big XII possible picked apart by the SEC/PAC/BE the MWC instantly would become the 6th rated conference.
-The WAC however without Fresno/Hawaii/Nevada and with TX State and UTSA as a 7 team conference would have a Sagrain average of (53.05). They would be the smallest, weakest conference in FBS taking over that position from the Sun Belt.
-The MAC as a 12 team conference minus EMU would have a Sagrarin rating of (63.17). That is only 1 point below CUSA, a very insignificant difference in strength.
CUSA, contrary to what 95% of their fans think is closer to the level of the MAC than the MWC on the playing field.
-SBC as a 9 team conference has a Sagarin rating of (57.44), five points behind the MAC. Switch EMU from the MAC to the SBC and that difference is about seven points.
Only a pure moron (typical CUSA fan) would think the SBC is actually a better conference than the MAC. Tradition, academics, performance all greatly favor the MAC. The Sun Belt is slowly getting better as FIU is becoming a top heavy team to go along with Troy in the conference and South Alabama will be joining in 2013. The MAC however is answering by adding UMass to increase its TV profile so I can't see how the SBC is catching up.
MAC adds UMass
SBC adds South Alabama
Tell me how the SBC is gaining ground on the MAC with this addition?
(09-07-2011 08:16 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote: [ -> ]Non-AQ Sagarin's after week 1:
MWC (69.54)
CUSA (64.25)
WAC (63.01)
MAC (62.22)
SBC (57.44)
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc11.htm
-The MWC is still far and away the best non-AQ conference. Next year with TCU departing and Hawaii, Fresno, Nevada joining on present numbers they would be averaging (69.18) or pretty much equal to what they have now.
As a side note, a rising Baylor program (74.28) may have to find refuge in the MWC further elevating there football profile. I've had the chances for an MWC autobid at 75/25 since before the realignment and with the Big XII possible picked apart by the SEC/PAC/BE the MWC instantly would become the 6th rated conference.
-The WAC however without Fresno/Hawaii/Nevada and with TX State and UTSA as a 7 team conference would have a Sagrain average of (53.05). They would be the smallest, weakest conference in FBS taking over that position from the Sun Belt.
-The MAC as a 12 team conference minus EMU would have a Sagrarin rating of (63.17). That is only 1 point below CUSA, a very insignificant difference in strength.
CUSA, contrary to what 95% of their fans think is closer to the level of the MAC than the MWC on the playing field.
-SBC as a 9 team conference has a Sagarin rating of (57.44), five points behind the MAC. Switch EMU from the MAC to the SBC and that difference is about seven points.
Only a pure moron (typical CUSA fan) would think the SBC is actually a better conference than the MAC. Tradition, academics, performance all greatly favor the MAC. The Sun Belt is slowly getting better as FIU is becoming a top heavy team to go along with Troy in the conference and South Alabama will be joining in 2013. The MAC however is answering by adding UMass to increase its TV profile so I can't see how the SBC is catching up.
MAC adds UMass
SBC adds South Alabama
Tell me how the SBC is gaining ground on the MAC with this addition?
Actually it is too early in the season to use the Sagarin rankings. If you read the actual ratings description- Sagarin is still using pre-season rankings for part of the rating. It will not be until teams are "well connected" (i.e. a couple games in) that the rankings will only be based on this year results
After Week 1, yes, the MAC is better (be careful about typical C-USA fan jive, it don't fly anywhere).
I think FIU, Troy, and MTSU outclass half of the MAC, but the MAC won more games, hell, any conference not the Sun Belt won more games. I will keep it in my mind that there is more football to be played since the Sagarins and Harris/Legends polls aren't really relevant at this point, and the level of strength in who each conference faced was varied, the Sun Belt played Kentucky, Ohio State, Florida, and other "well-positioned" programs.
(09-07-2011 08:46 PM)TampaKnight Wrote: [ -> ]After Week 1, yes, the MAC is better (be careful about typical C-USA fan jive, it don't fly anywhere).
I think FIU, Troy, and MTSU outclass half of the MAC, but the MAC won more games, hell, any conference not the Sun Belt won more games. I will keep it in my mind that there is more football to be played since the Sagarins and Harris/Legends polls aren't really relevant at this point, and the level of strength in who each conference faced was varied, the Sun Belt played Kentucky, Ohio State, Florida, and other "well-positioned" programs.
Then if I'm following you, FIU, Troy, and MTSU must outclass half of CUSA as well.
I think you need to stick to comparing the SBC and CUSA. They share the same geography like the M-WAC. They have a lot more in common than what they do the MAC.
The conference that has the most in common with the MAC is CUSA but the two leagues have significantly different objectives.
The Sagarins aren't worth much until about the 5th week when he removes the pre-season biases. I suspect that the MAC will take a big leap when that happens since we were rated lower than we should have been.
(09-07-2011 08:16 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote: [ -> ]Non-AQ Sagarin's after week 1:
MWC (69.54)
CUSA (64.25)
WAC (63.01)
MAC (62.22)
SBC (57.44)
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc11.htm
-The MWC is still far and away the best non-AQ conference. Next year with TCU departing and Hawaii, Fresno, Nevada joining on present numbers they would be averaging (69.18) or pretty much equal to what they have now.
As a side note, a rising Baylor program (74.28) may have to find refuge in the MWC further elevating there football profile. I've had the chances for an MWC autobid at 75/25 since before the realignment and with the Big XII possible picked apart by the SEC/PAC/BE the MWC instantly would become the 6th rated conference.
-The WAC however without Fresno/Hawaii/Nevada and with TX State and UTSA as a 7 team conference would have a Sagrain average of (53.05). They would be the smallest, weakest conference in FBS taking over that position from the Sun Belt.
-The MAC as a 12 team conference minus EMU would have a Sagrarin rating of (63.17). That is only 1 point below CUSA, a very insignificant difference in strength.
CUSA, contrary to what 95% of their fans think is closer to the level of the MAC than the MWC on the playing field.
-SBC as a 9 team conference has a Sagarin rating of (57.44), five points behind the MAC. Switch EMU from the MAC to the SBC and that difference is about seven points.
Only a pure moron (typical CUSA fan) would think the SBC is actually a better conference than the MAC. Tradition, academics, performance all greatly favor the MAC. The Sun Belt is slowly getting better as FIU is becoming a top heavy team to go along with Troy in the conference and South Alabama will be joining in 2013. The MAC however is answering by adding UMass to increase its TV profile so I can't see how the SBC is catching up.
MAC adds UMass
SBC adds South Alabama
Tell me how the SBC is gaining ground on the MAC with this addition?
You can't arbitrarily remove the poorest performing school(s) from one conference without doing the same to the other. How does removing CUSA's worst program influence their rating?
(09-07-2011 11:33 PM)CMUprof Wrote: [ -> ] (09-07-2011 08:16 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote: [ -> ]Non-AQ Sagarin's after week 1:
MWC (69.54)
CUSA (64.25)
WAC (63.01)
MAC (62.22)
SBC (57.44)
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc11.htm
-The MWC is still far and away the best non-AQ conference. Next year with TCU departing and Hawaii, Fresno, Nevada joining on present numbers they would be averaging (69.18) or pretty much equal to what they have now.
As a side note, a rising Baylor program (74.28) may have to find refuge in the MWC further elevating there football profile. I've had the chances for an MWC autobid at 75/25 since before the realignment and with the Big XII possible picked apart by the SEC/PAC/BE the MWC instantly would become the 6th rated conference.
-The WAC however without Fresno/Hawaii/Nevada and with TX State and UTSA as a 7 team conference would have a Sagrain average of (53.05). They would be the smallest, weakest conference in FBS taking over that position from the Sun Belt.
-The MAC as a 12 team conference minus EMU would have a Sagrarin rating of (63.17). That is only 1 point below CUSA, a very insignificant difference in strength.
CUSA, contrary to what 95% of their fans think is closer to the level of the MAC than the MWC on the playing field.
-SBC as a 9 team conference has a Sagarin rating of (57.44), five points behind the MAC. Switch EMU from the MAC to the SBC and that difference is about seven points.
Only a pure moron (typical CUSA fan) would think the SBC is actually a better conference than the MAC. Tradition, academics, performance all greatly favor the MAC. The Sun Belt is slowly getting better as FIU is becoming a top heavy team to go along with Troy in the conference and South Alabama will be joining in 2013. The MAC however is answering by adding UMass to increase its TV profile so I can't see how the SBC is catching up.
MAC adds UMass
SBC adds South Alabama
Tell me how the SBC is gaining ground on the MAC with this addition?
You can't arbitrarily remove the poorest performing school(s) from one conference without doing the same to the other. How does removing CUSA's worst program influence their rating?
Imagine the Titanic.
Okay, now imagine the Titanic without Tulane and Memphis football.
Now imagine the Titanic floating again.
CUSA > MAC.... sorry it is what it is.
(09-09-2011 07:36 AM)goodknightfl Wrote: [ -> ]CUSA > MAC.... sorry it is what it is.
That's true, but it isn't all that much better.
(09-09-2011 07:36 AM)goodknightfl Wrote: [ -> ]CUSA > MAC.... sorry it is what it is.
CUSA
< MAC.... There. Fixed it for ya.
Seriously, most of those posters on the CUSA board are so parochial. While they (correctly so) have a great disdain for the BC$ leagues, they show little to no respect toward the MAC, WAC, SBC and even the MWC. One of their more popular threads right now is a poll, "Who has the worst conference, the MAC, WAC, or SBC?". Way to pump yourselves up, CUSA! Currently being two Sagarin points up on the MAC is surely something to "prove" your superiority, while ignoring the fact you're 11 to 16 points behind the Big Boys.
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