Great article in Forbes analyzing UH's drawing power in the city of Houston, even while stuck in C-USA, compares well to the average Big 12 ratings in the city.
Our drawing power would increase if we ever got back into a BCS league. This type of research, instead of all the tired stereotypes, is exactly why Paul Tagliabue recommended Houston to the Big East.
In the SWC days, UH and Texas had the best ratings of the whole SWC when it came to the Houston market.
The reality that UH belongs AQ is finally coming from many media outlets. UH knows their potential and will be AQ soon.
SMU begging like they have been just sounds desperate!
I'm glad to see this post. If the Big 12 doesn't take note, maybe the Big East eventually will. A renewed Louisville rivalry would probably be almost as good a draw as would a TCU rivalry, and culturally, UH would be a good fit.
Of the current CUSA teams, Houston is definitely my first choice.
(09-01-2011 03:50 PM)SmallVoice Wrote: [ -> ]Of the current CUSA teams, Houston is definitely my first choice.
I had previously reached that conclusion myself. Barring the availability of a current BCS AQ school due to conference shake ups, or taking BYU on as football only, I would favor inviting UH to the BE.
Nice job by UH to get its message into Forbes and other outlets. Really pounding the pavement. It's a way better strategy than begging.
Houston has always been my favorite to add, glad to see they are getting some decent press.
I am absolutely convinced that if they were in the right conference situation they could get right back up to where they were when they were regularly beating ranked teams in both football and basketball.
UH would be a decent add but I just don't see them getting a single "Yes" vote.
The south teams don't want another competitor for Texas recruits in general and Houston area athletes in particular.
The north teams will never for another Texas team. They can't stand how their beloved Big 8 has been ruined by it's marriage with the Lonestar state.
(09-01-2011 04:34 PM)10thMountain Wrote: [ -> ]UH would be a decent add but I just don't see them getting a single "Yes" vote.
The south teams don't want another competitor for Texas recruits in general and Houston area athletes in particular.
The north teams will never for another Texas team. They can't stand how their beloved Big 8 has been ruined by it's marriage with the Lonestar state.
Maybe this is good news for the Big East. It at least means the BE had better be paying attention. It might end up benefiting from this, and Houston is one of the easiest locations in the country to reach. Like DFW, the Houston airport makes it a de facto eastern city because of its accessibility to all major eastern metropolitan areas.
Kristi Dosh, from BusinessofCollegeSports was on Chris Childer's today and she actually said she thinks Houston is very viable. She rattled off some numbers and attendance stuff. She said she'll be posting her stuff in the next couple of weeks.
http://blog.chron.com/sportsmedia/2010/0...to-ponder/
The writer has the years wong. It should be 2009. BTW, these are TV ranking in Houston
2009
Game (Network) Rating/share
Texas-Nebraska (ABC) 15.7/26
Texas-Texas A&M (ESPN) 13.5/26
Florida-Alabama (CBS) 12.3/25
Texas Tech-Texas (ABC) 10.9/20
Texas-Oklahoma (ABC) 10.8/28
Kansas-Texas (ABC) 9.0/16
Texas-Oklahoma State (ABC) 8.9/18
Texas Tech-Houston (ESPN2) 7.9/NA
Texas-Missouri (ABC) 7.7/14
Texas Tech-Nebraska (ABC) 6.7/15
Florida-LSU (CBS) 6.8/12
Colorado-Texas (ESPN) 6.6/12
LSU-Alabama (CBS) 6.3/15
LSU-Georgia (CBS) 5.5/12
Florida State-Florida (CBS) 5.3/12
Auburn-Alabama (CBS) 5.2/12
2008
Game (Network) Rating/share
Texas-Texas Tech (ABC) 16.2/29
Texas Tech-Oklahoma (ABC) 11.6/20
Texas-Oklahoma (ABC) 10.9/26
Oklahoma State-Texas (ABC) 10.2/24
Oklahoma-Texas Tech (ABC) 9.4/17
Oklahoma-Oklahoma State (ABC) 9.3/16
Florida-Alabama (CBS) 9.1/20
Missouri-Oklahoma (ABC) 7.6/14
Alabama-LSU (CBS) 6.1/13
LSU-Florida (CBS) 5.2/10
Penn State-Ohio State (ABC) 5.2/10
I know the coogs are happy with this news but lets look at this more objectively. KU-K-state televised in prime will bring Big 12 numbers down in Houston. From the above proof, Texas and Texas Tech are huge draws in the City of Houston as well as the SEC.
JML, you do realize that 40% of the Big 12 games you listed in the top rated from 2009 involved teams that have left or are leaving the conference, don't you? Your list, in my mind, is even more evidence that the Big 12 will lose ground in Houston viewership. 37% of the top drawing games in Houston for last year were SEC games. With TAMU gone to the SEC, I'm willing to bet the B12 will fill less than half of that list in 2012. With TAMU, NU, and CU gone, many of the B12 marquee matchups go with it. And KU-KSU? That's not in the list you posted. The author cited an average rating of 1.5 for non-Texas teams. Why should I believe that a prime time matchup of KU/KSU would draw well in Houston when the average non-Texas matchup rates a whopping 1.5?
And to post the ratings of the Big 12 championship game and try to compare that to Houston's ratings on CBS College Sports (which isn't even offered on basic cable) is disingenuous. Not saying you made that comparison, but many of your fellow Tech fans have done so. That's the entire point the author is trying to make...when the playing field is level, Houston draws very well in the 10th largest television market.
My take:
I am for any expansion that the presidents approve. They won't approve a destabilizing move. So if UH is added I will be the first one to congratulate the coogs and celebrate their arrival.
That said I would caution my UH friends here not to put the cart ahead of the horse as every indication I have seen points to out-of-footprint targets as being the only considered option. Our AD Ian McCaw was interviewed on 1660 am ESPN Waco and verified that the Big 12 is looking outside of our footprint as the league feels it delivers every market in it's footprint well enough to the point that any marginal gains inside the footprint would not be beneficial when split into 1 more share.
If you guys are invited I am happy to have you and I would love the regional matchups, but I honestly see a Big East that failed to get Big 12 targets as UH and SMU's most likely BCS option.
(09-01-2011 05:50 PM)jml2010 Wrote: [ -> ]http://blog.chron.com/sportsmedia/2010/0...to-ponder/
The writer has the years wong. It should be 2009. BTW, these are TV ranking in Houston
2009
Game (Network) Rating/share
Texas-Nebraska (ABC) 15.7/26
Texas-Texas A&M (ESPN) 13.5/26
Florida-Alabama (CBS) 12.3/25
Texas Tech-Texas (ABC) 10.9/20
Texas-Oklahoma (ABC) 10.8/28
Kansas-Texas (ABC) 9.0/16
Texas-Oklahoma State (ABC) 8.9/18
Texas Tech-Houston (ESPN2) 7.9/NA
Texas-Missouri (ABC) 7.7/14
Texas Tech-Nebraska (ABC) 6.7/15
Florida-LSU (CBS) 6.8/12
Colorado-Texas (ESPN) 6.6/12
LSU-Alabama (CBS) 6.3/15
LSU-Georgia (CBS) 5.5/12
Florida State-Florida (CBS) 5.3/12
Auburn-Alabama (CBS) 5.2/12
2008
Game (Network) Rating/share
Texas-Texas Tech (ABC) 16.2/29
Texas Tech-Oklahoma (ABC) 11.6/20
Texas-Oklahoma (ABC) 10.9/26
Oklahoma State-Texas (ABC) 10.2/24
Oklahoma-Texas Tech (ABC) 9.4/17
Oklahoma-Oklahoma State (ABC) 9.3/16
Florida-Alabama (CBS) 9.1/20
Missouri-Oklahoma (ABC) 7.6/14
Alabama-LSU (CBS) 6.1/13
LSU-Florida (CBS) 5.2/10
Penn State-Ohio State (ABC) 5.2/10
I know the coogs are happy with this news but lets look at this more objectively. KU-K-state televised in prime will bring Big 12 numbers down in Houston. From the above proof, Texas and Texas Tech are huge draws in the City of Houston as well as the SEC.
Hey jml2010, I bet you also find squirrels to be un-trustworthy uh???
JML doesn't realize that UH doesn't have the chance to play on ABC or CBS, and network games dominate the top of the list.
Stated alternatively, JML doesn't realize that the UH-Tech game was the highest rated game on ESPN2 in the city of Houston in those 2 seasons.
Like I said before, he's an idiot.
(09-01-2011 06:36 PM)Sammy11 Wrote: [ -> ]My take:
I am for any expansion that the presidents approve. They won't approve a destabilizing move. So if UH is added I will be the first one to congratulate the coogs and celebrate their arrival.
That said I would caution my UH friends here not to put the cart ahead of the horse as every indication I have seen points to out-of-footprint targets as being the only considered option. Our AD Ian McCaw was interviewed on 1660 am ESPN Waco and verified that the Big 12 is looking outside of our footprint as the league feels it delivers every market in it's footprint well enough to the point that any marginal gains inside the footprint would not be beneficial when split into 1 more share.
If you guys are invited I am happy to have you and I would love the regional matchups, but I honestly see a Big East that failed to get Big 12 targets as UH and SMU's most likely BCS option.
Sammy, I know your the moderator of this board and all but your all smoke in mirrors in my opinion. You take up for ole Chipper every chance you get. Basically your in Bed with UT, because thats your only option going forward. Sorry to be so honest but thats it. Truth hurts sometimes.
(09-01-2011 06:36 PM)Sammy11 Wrote: [ -> ]My take:
I am for any expansion that the presidents approve. They won't approve a destabilizing move. So if UH is added I will be the first one to congratulate the coogs and celebrate their arrival.
That said I would caution my UH friends here not to put the cart ahead of the horse as every indication I have seen points to out-of-footprint targets as being the only considered option. Our AD Ian McCaw was interviewed on 1660 am ESPN Waco and verified that the Big 12 is looking outside of our footprint as the league feels it delivers every market in it's footprint well enough to the point that any marginal gains inside the footprint would not be beneficial when split into 1 more share.
If you guys are invited I am happy to have you and I would love the regional matchups, but I honestly see a Big East that failed to get Big 12 targets as UH and SMU's most likely BCS option.
Sadly, many of us know you are right. As much as it sickens me, I don't think we are going to be chosen. Although I really think that we should be. BYU is a great choice, but other than that I don't know of any others out there that are interested that are a better fit than Houston (maybe AFA). Any other choice and I will be disgusted in the Big 12.
I've been watching Houston Cougar football since the SWC days. I have been there in the best of times, and the worst of times. I don't know how many more times I can watch my Coogs get left behind before I become disgusted with college football as a whole. Money, greed, and expansion are ruining all the great traditions that made me love the game. I might as well watch the NFL instead. At least they are honest about what they are doing (rather than making millions in the name of the "student athlete") and at least there is an attempt to make the game fair.
I appreciate your classy attitude, Sammy. A lot of fans could learn something from you.
I appreciate your classy attitude, Sammy. A lot of fans could learn something from you.
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I agree to disagree and leave it at that.
(09-01-2011 06:49 PM)billetingman1 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2011 06:36 PM)Sammy11 Wrote: [ -> ]My take:
I am for any expansion that the presidents approve. They won't approve a destabilizing move. So if UH is added I will be the first one to congratulate the coogs and celebrate their arrival.
That said I would caution my UH friends here not to put the cart ahead of the horse as every indication I have seen points to out-of-footprint targets as being the only considered option. Our AD Ian McCaw was interviewed on 1660 am ESPN Waco and verified that the Big 12 is looking outside of our footprint as the league feels it delivers every market in it's footprint well enough to the point that any marginal gains inside the footprint would not be beneficial when split into 1 more share.
If you guys are invited I am happy to have you and I would love the regional matchups, but I honestly see a Big East that failed to get Big 12 targets as UH and SMU's most likely BCS option.
Sammy, I know your the moderator of this board and all but your all smoke in mirrors in my opinion. You take up for ole Chipper every chance you get. Basically your in Bed with UT, because thats your only option going forward. Sorry to be so honest but thats it. Truth hurts sometimes.
1- Smoke and mirrors? What do you mean?
2- Chip Brown stuff... just because I think he has legit contacts at UT and isn't one of these hacks like GSwaim on twitter that makes stuff up does not mean I am thinking it due to my Baylor loyalties. I think he is connected because the power players involved the the P16 and the FOIA requests have pretty much confirmed his story was pretty much accurate after the fact. He gets flack for "done deal" on friday, but that is what would have been the case until beebe showed up with cash.
3- Just because I realize Baylor's best option is Big 12 survival does not make me stick up for UT. They are as much to blame as anyone. However I do think many of the unequal sharing talking points and issues with the LHN are being spun a bit more than is really the case. I am trying to be fair and I try to apply the same standard to UH, Baylor, or anyone else.