No surprises here, especially coming out of Providence. If Marinatto is true to his word we'll be seeing a football schools secession between now and next July I would think.
That's what he's paid to do. Protect the interests of all conference schools. If anything happens, it will most likely occur just prior to TV contract renegotiations...
(08-08-2011 08:40 AM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]That's what he's paid to do. Protect the interests of all conference schools. If anything happens, it will most likely occur just prior to TV contract renegotiations...
Good point Bit.
The last paragraph with his quote about "we find a way to make things work" is alittle suspect in publc opinion I'd say. With quotes like that, if there is opposition in the football core to that strategy, that will only divide the group up more and ultimately the commish works for them and if they aren't seeing eye to eye on the future then Marinatto might not be in the chair long enough to see the tv negotiations/expansion to the completion late next year.
The split is coming, the question will be will the new all-sports conference have 10, 12, 14 or 16 football teams?
No split, No break up, 9 or 10 -17 soon on tap.
Duha, we already are 9/17!
(08-08-2011 10:28 AM)goodknightfl Wrote: [ -> ]No split, No break up, 9 or 10 -17 soon on tap.
No offense Goodknight, but you have over 9200 posts, and I think 9,000 of those are "no expansion, 9-17". You need a new mantra. A mantra makeover if you will.
(08-08-2011 11:22 AM)Knightsweat Wrote: [ -> ] (08-08-2011 10:28 AM)goodknightfl Wrote: [ -> ]No split, No break up, 9 or 10 -17 soon on tap.
No offense Goodknight, but you have over 9200 posts, and I think 9,000 of those are "no expansion, 9-17". You need a new mantra. A mantra makeover if you will.
That and 'Buffalo to Big East'.
Dropping Seton Hall and Providence would be a good thing for both parties. It is clear that neither can compete at this level, and they do not bring enough value to justify their paycheck from the conference. Both schools have good fan bases and good arenas and facilities and would be able to compete in a lesser conference.
Why do Seton Hall and Providence want at the bottom of the Big East every year? How is that good for the school?
Why wouldn't Seton Hall and Providence want to give themselves a more realistic chance to make the NCAA Tournament by competing in a conference where they stood a chance?
I don't believe that the school will kick these schools out. I do think that these schools should reconsider their options on their own.
I do not believe a split will happen. I do not believe the catch phrase of the hybrid somehow holding back the football schools. I think the football schools have been capable of acting in the best interests of their football programs in this current format. Realistically and practically they have not been held back at all. In fact, basketball drives the value and name recognition of the conference and programs.
I would like to see some "fat trimmed" but I do not believe it will happen unless Providence and Seton Hall do so voluntarily.
(08-08-2011 12:08 PM)BigEastFan99 Wrote: [ -> ]Dropping Seton Hall and Providence would be a good thing for both parties. It is clear that neither can compete at this level, and they do not bring enough value to justify their paycheck from the conference. Both schools have good fan bases and good arenas and facilities and would be able to compete in a lesser conference.
Why do Seton Hall and Providence want at the bottom of the Big East every year? How is that good for the school?
Why wouldn't Seton Hall and Providence want to give themselves a more realistic chance to make the NCAA Tournament by competing in a conference where they stood a chance?
I don't believe that the school will kick these schools out. I do think that these schools should reconsider their options on their own.
Why should they when they can attach themselves like parasites? Especially since they have done well before and if St Johns is an indicator they certainly can again and when they do the BE will give them an effective platform for that. They will use you when they are bad and when they are winning (though at least when they are winning you might see a benefit).
(08-08-2011 12:08 PM)BigEastFan99 Wrote: [ -> ]Why do Seton Hall and Providence want at the bottom of the Big East every year? How is that good for the school?
Why wouldn't Seton Hall and Providence want to give themselves a more realistic chance to make the NCAA Tournament by competing in a conference where they stood a chance?
Since 1991, Seton Hall has been to 6 NCAA tournaments.
Since 1991, Providence has been to 4 NCAA tournaments.
Since 1991, Rutgers has been to
0 NCAA tournaments.
So why aren't the same people asking "
why Rutgers wants to be at the bottom of the Big East every year? How is that good for the school? Why wouldn't Rutgers want to give themselves a more realistic chance to make the NCAA Tournament by competing football only in the Big East and in a basketball conference where they stood a chance?" Just sayin.
Its not about basketball! Its about a 12 team BCS football conference. UConn, Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia, Louisville and Cincinnati are all excellent basketball programs!
Oh, Rutgers is terrible. USF is horrible too. But Rutgers and USF are around because we need the bodies in football. If Seton Hall or Providence had football teams that were already members of the conference, I don't think we would be having this discussion.
I don't think that Rutgers and USF really care about basketball. They only care about football and remaining attached to Syracuse, Pitt, UConn, WVU, Cincy and Louisville with the BCS tag. Rutgers and USF's inability to compete in Big East basketball is of little concern to these schools or their fan base.
It is different at Providence and Seton Hall. They only have basketball. So if they are put in a position for failure in basketball, why are they continuing down this road?
The money is better for Providence and Seton Hall while in the Big East, but the product they put on the floor is terrible. Wouldn't a Providence or Seton Hall fan rather their team compete moreso than collect a check and lose? I would. Neither team has been any good for a while now, and they don't appear to be on the cusp of turning it around.
I would not compare St. John's to Providence or Seton Hall. St. John's is a much different animal with a much higher ceiling for success in basketball. Norm Roberts was a terrible coach, but St. John's has plenty of potential to compare to Georgetown and Villanova in basketball.
(08-08-2011 01:03 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote: [ -> ]Its not about basketball! Its about a 12 team BCS football conference. UConn, Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia, Louisville and Cincinnati are all excellent basketball programs!
As Jeff Jacobs wrote in the Hartford Courant recently;
I would rather play Villanova and Georgetown in basketball than Houston and UCF in football.
That's at least the philosophy of why the hybrid exists.
The football side is fine in basketball, but there is more valuable when it is combined with the basketball schools. The basketball schools are in the metropolitan areas and have great national recognition, allowing the strength of the football schools to grow.
Just look at Louisville. Louisville was somewhat of a dormant and under the radar program in the 1990's and early 2000's, even though they were pretty good. Now Louisville is in the Big East and their basketball is back to nationally elite status. Cincy was great with Huggins, but Huggins constantly had to tell people that they were not a mid-major.
The problem is, we don't really need all 8 of the BB only schools to accomplish the goals that they hybrid brings. The only schools that are really essential to the goals are Georgetown, Villanova, St. John's and Notre Dame. Marquette is a good program, so they aren't really parasites, and DePaul gets our foot in the door in Chicago so they can stick around. But Providence and Seton Hall really add nothing, and they are not competitive, so why are they still here (from either party's point of view)?
(08-08-2011 11:22 AM)Knightsweat Wrote: [ -> ] (08-08-2011 10:28 AM)goodknightfl Wrote: [ -> ]No split, No break up, 9 or 10 -17 soon on tap.
No offense Goodknight, but you have over 9200 posts, and I think 9,000 of those are "no expansion, 9-17". You need a new mantra. A mantra makeover if you will.
He swore up and down that we would stay at 8 teams.
I think if there truly is any fat trimming it will be Seton Hall and Depaul. Both may have a financial come to jesus and decide that moving on to the A10 or MAC is better for them, and they will both be better off financially as well. I don't really see Providence getting voted out, the only way we are not affiliated with Providence is from a full on split from all the bball schools.
For the benefit of balance, here should be the new all-sports Big East:
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Syracuse
South Florida
Louisville
Connecticut
Villanova - Existing FCS team, 2009 Division I Champions
Texas Christian - Expansion team set.
Rice - Football revenue among best in non-AQs.
East Carolina - Attendance is godly for football, would only grow.
Houston - All-around good athletics, esp. olympic sports.
Memphis - Basketball traditional power and football can only get better.
Look at all that money.