To paraphrase:
"SEC academics blow and Big Ten basketball is boring. We need to be proactive. If we could just get Penn State to leave the Big Ten, and Florida to leave the SEC, and Notre Dame to drop independence to join us, the ACC would destroy everyone! Penn State wants more East Coast opponents. Florida can be united with its rivals of Florida State and Miami and wants better academics. Notre Dame is having trouble finding good November opponents. Throw enough money at them and they'd all totally drop everything for us! It's all so easy! Rock on!"
when I attended UM, most fans there were convinced that the ACC was the best football conference in the country. Did I mention I attended before Miami, VPI, or BC joined the conference?
What are they smoking on Tobacco Road? It must not be cigarettes or cigars. The word that comes to mind with that thread is delusional.
(07-28-2011 09:33 AM)adcorbett Wrote: [ -> ]when I attended UM, most fans there were convinced that the ACC was the best football conference in the country. Did I mention I attended before Miami, VPI, or BC joined the conference?
You mean Miami fans actually thought that? Yikes. The only justification that I could see there was that at the beginning of the BCS era, the SEC wasn't as strong in terms of depth and FSU was at its peak. A lot of fans (erroneously, I might add) equate strength of the conference champ to the strength of the conference overall, so in that sense, FSU was as strong as anyone at that time.
(07-28-2011 09:52 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]You mean Miami fans actually thought that?
Sorry, University of Maryland, where I went to undergrad.
(07-28-2011 09:56 AM)adcorbett Wrote: [ -> ] (07-28-2011 09:52 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]You mean Miami fans actually thought that?
Sorry, University of Maryland, where I went to undergrad.
Ah, I see. Well, that's certainly conference bias talking there.
Sorry but most of those Rivals sites are filled with those with illusions of grandeur. Go to one of those sites and fail to walk in goose step with the rest of the lemmings and you will be quickly be asked to leave. I realize some of the comments about The ACC on the UNC site look outlandish to impartial parties but truth is most are rather tame.
If you want some real entertainment check out the UK Rivals site. There was recently a thread there about going undefeated in The SEC this season. Those folks in Lexington are pre-season National Champs every season.
CJ
(07-28-2011 09:29 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]To paraphrase:
"SEC academics blow and Big Ten basketball is boring. We need to be proactive. If we could just get Penn State to leave the Big Ten, and Florida to leave the SEC, and Notre Dame to drop independence to join us, the ACC would destroy everyone! Penn State wants more East Coast opponents. Florida can be united with its rivals of Florida State and Miami and wants better academics. Notre Dame is having trouble finding good November opponents. Throw enough money at them and they'd all totally drop everything for us! It's all so easy! Rock on!"
+3. Thank you for summarizing, so that I can avoid wasting time reading that thread.
The core of the ACC (Tobacco Road+Virginia) has always placed a high esteem in athletics and academics. Schools like Maryland and Clemson were seen as outliers on academics but otherwise good athletic rivals. Expansion has frayed some of those ties.
If the ACC could go back to the original eight (with South Carolina, minus Georgia Tech), some would be very happy, but it's not 1970 anymore.
It is extremely dilusional. If a new round of expansons to superconferences were to happen, IMO the ACC would vanish. My thinking is that the SEC would take all that is valuable in the south and the B10 would cherry pick the rest of the ACC I think they want Ga. Tec as a fellow AAU college and a southern anchor in technology research.
I think for the most part, the BE will survive in the northeast and FLorida. I think conferences are about regions and the ACC's problem has always been the SEC not the BE. Taking Miami was about bringing the ACC on par with the SEC- but it does not look to be working out as planned. The south ain't big enough for two super conferences- if it came to that money or promises of money will not be enough to draw BE teams to the ACC- like it was six years ago. We now all know Swofford can't deliver.
The best bet for the ACC would be to look north and establish itself as northern conference- problem is, the BE is already here witht he best colleges in the north for athletics.
Yea, the ACC bloggers are dilusional.
That was then, this is now. Times change.
We were going to pay Miami $5 million to stay. Today I'd make them pay us.
"Penn State wants to play Eastern opponents", That statement is true but why the hell would they want to play a bunch second-rate southern schools?! The East coast teams they want to play are Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia, Temple, and 1 ACC school Maryland. This was JoePa's wish...Notice the ONE ACC school...(in fact this is my wish)
Northeastern Conference:
Connecticut
Marshall
Navy
Penn State
Rutgers
Syracuse
Army
Boston College
Maryland
Pittsburgh
Temple
West Virginia
Cross division rivals...
UConn-Maryland
Marshall-WVU
Navy-Army
Penn State-Pitt
Rutgers-Temple
Syracuse-BC
(07-28-2011 02:39 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote: [ -> ]"Penn State wants to play Eastern opponents", That statement is true but why the hell would they want to play a bunch second-rate southern schools?! The East coast teams they want to play are Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia, Temple, and 1 ACC school Maryland. This was JoePa's wish...Notice the ONE ACC school...(in fact this is my wish)
A lot of PSU fans say that as a general matter, but when I push them to name who they actually want to play, their idea of an "Eastern opponent" usually means Notre Dame or Miami.
(07-28-2011 03:15 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ] (07-28-2011 02:39 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote: [ -> ]"Penn State wants to play Eastern opponents", That statement is true but why the hell would they want to play a bunch second-rate southern schools?! The East coast teams they want to play are Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia, Temple, and 1 ACC school Maryland. This was JoePa's wish...Notice the ONE ACC school...(in fact this is my wish)
A lot of PSU fans say that as a general matter, but when I push them to name who they actually want to play, their idea of an "Eastern opponent" usually means Notre Dame or Miami.
Frank, what is your exposure to real PSU fans living in the east? Most recall their Pitt, Syracuse, WVU hatred and total dominance of Rutgers and Temple. I'm speaking anecdotally, of course.
(07-28-2011 03:55 PM)HtownOrange Wrote: [ -> ] (07-28-2011 03:15 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ] (07-28-2011 02:39 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote: [ -> ]"Penn State wants to play Eastern opponents", That statement is true but why the hell would they want to play a bunch second-rate southern schools?! The East coast teams they want to play are Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia, Temple, and 1 ACC school Maryland. This was JoePa's wish...Notice the ONE ACC school...(in fact this is my wish)
A lot of PSU fans say that as a general matter, but when I push them to name who they actually want to play, their idea of an "Eastern opponent" usually means Notre Dame or Miami.
Frank, what is your exposure to real PSU fans living in the east? Most recall their Pitt, Syracuse, WVU hatred and total dominance of Rutgers and Temple. I'm speaking anecdotally, of course.
I think it's less about where they live and more that my exposure is more to Penn State fans that attended school there within the past 20 years, which means that they literally don't know anything about the pre-Big Ten days. My impression is that Penn State fans don't mind maybe rotating playing each of the various Eastern schools once per decade or so simply for recruiting purposes, but aren't keen on giving anyone (including Pitt) annual games. Out of any Eastern region, PSU fans seem to care the most about getting exposure in the MD/DC/VA region (they think they're set for Western PA and playing Temple in Philly is close enough for NY/NJ recruits), which leads me to believe that playing Maryland/Virginia Tech/UVA-types are somewhat higher priorities. At least in terms of recruiting, MD is the biggest target state for PSU outside of PA. Regardless, for any PSU alum under 40 today, they never experienced PSU as an independent, so there's likely an age disconnect that's going to continue to grow.
(07-28-2011 04:57 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ] (07-28-2011 03:55 PM)HtownOrange Wrote: [ -> ] (07-28-2011 03:15 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ] (07-28-2011 02:39 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote: [ -> ]"Penn State wants to play Eastern opponents", That statement is true but why the hell would they want to play a bunch second-rate southern schools?! The East coast teams they want to play are Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia, Temple, and 1 ACC school Maryland. This was JoePa's wish...Notice the ONE ACC school...(in fact this is my wish)
A lot of PSU fans say that as a general matter, but when I push them to name who they actually want to play, their idea of an "Eastern opponent" usually means Notre Dame or Miami.
Frank, what is your exposure to real PSU fans living in the east? Most recall their Pitt, Syracuse, WVU hatred and total dominance of Rutgers and Temple. I'm speaking anecdotally, of course.
I think it's less about where they live and more that my exposure is more to Penn State fans that attended school there within the past 20 years, which means that they literally don't know anything about the pre-Big Ten days. My impression is that Penn State fans don't mind maybe rotating playing each of the various Eastern schools once per decade or so simply for recruiting purposes, but aren't keen on giving anyone (including Pitt) annual games. Out of any Eastern region, PSU fans seem to care the most about getting exposure in the MD/DC/VA region (they think they're set for Western PA and playing Temple in Philly is close enough for NY/NJ recruits), which leads me to believe that playing Maryland/Virginia Tech/UVA-types are somewhat higher priorities. At least in terms of recruiting, MD is the biggest target state for PSU outside of PA. Regardless, for any PSU alum under 40 today, they never experienced PSU as an independent, so there's likely an age disconnect that's going to continue to grow.
Thanks. I appreciate your candor. Though I'm not far removed from the age group you define, I have far more contact with the older generation who remember PSU independence, which naturally explains our opposing anecdotal evidence. (naturally I'm taking offense to you classifying me as an old fart
)
Thanks, again.
(07-28-2011 09:29 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]"SEC academics blow
The folks at Vanderbilt and Florida may beg to differ with you, dude. Generalizations have led to more than one conflict...
However, I do tend to agree with you about Big Tin basketball. IMO you could add Big Tin football to that comment too...
(07-29-2011 07:41 AM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ] (07-28-2011 09:29 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]"SEC academics blow
The folks at Vanderbilt and Florida may beg to differ with you, dude. Generalizations have led to more than one conflict...
However, I do tend to agree with you about Big Tin basketball. IMO you could add Big Tin football to that comment too...
Good pt...as the SEC never compares themselves academically with say the Big Ten or the ACC...SEC matches up very well vs say the Big East Football Conference...each with two AAU classified institutions.
(07-29-2011 08:08 AM)KnightLight Wrote: [ -> ]SEC matches up very well vs say the Big East Football Conference...each with two AAU classified institutions.
Well 2 out of 12 vs. 2 out of 9 (previously 3 out of 8) is not really equal.
I like the one guys suggestion, luring UK to the ACC. I think it could be done. Then our only obstacle to an SEC invite is no longer in the conference haha