And if A&M decides they've had enough of Texas, they'll look into expansion again, Stewart Mendel's opinion to the contrary not withstanding...
If A&M "had enough" of Texas they would have left last summer. It's not like the Longhorn network magically appeared last month. People want to read into things on the internet, but if they really had enough of Texas they wouldn't have stayed, they would have negotiated a binding TV and conference deal with the Big 12, and they wouldn't have worked in conjunction with Texas and OU to keep Kansas and the others from leaving the conference. They also would have gone to the Pac-16, since Texas' power would have been greatly reduced in that conference considering the powerhouses that reside there. Mandel knows exactly what he's talking about.
Ever since day 1 when the Big-12 was born, they have been bitching about something. Remember, it took two whole years for the Big-12 to talk, talk, talk, talk....before they could come to agreement on how the Big-12 should be set up and organized. It reminds me of Will Rogers' statement "I don't belong to an organized political party...I am a democrat."
Obviously Stewart hasn't been on this bored lately. So far this summer we have discussed the demise of The Big 12, Big East and ACC. Possible expansion of the aforementioned conferences as well as The SEC, PAC and Big 10. Many here won't believe Stewart for a minute. They'll debate to the last breath what some homer blogger (read message board poster) from BYU or A&M writes but ignore legit news sources. Is it football season yet?
CJ
I think that Texas, the PAC 12 and the Big Ten greatly enriched/improved themselves during the last round.
What was interesting is how it was Nebraska, Colorado, and Utah that moved around while Texas and Oklahoma stayed in place. The tug-of-war between the PAC and Big Ten resulted some of the frays to pull off the Big XII.
With this logic you probably aren't going to see Texas leaving the Big XII or Notre Dame leaving the Big East to start the next round. It will probably start with the ACC wanting its own network and using an expansion to justify a rights increase to the networks.
What if 4 Big East schools are already out the door in 2012 for the ACC and we just don't know about it yet? That may be the real reason that the Big East decided not to sign with ESPN.
I just ate a bowl of Rocky Road Ice cream Expansion is eminent.
(07-21-2011 08:13 PM)goodknightfl Wrote: [ -> ]I just ate a bowl of Rocky Road Ice cream Expansion is eminent.
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This is the only factual and substantuated statement made on this subject on this or any other board in weeks. Cant argue with science.
(07-21-2011 07:48 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote: [ -> ]I think that Texas, the PAC 12 and the Big Ten greatly enriched/improved themselves during the last round.
What was interesting is how it was Nebraska, Colorado, and Utah that moved around while Texas and Oklahoma stayed in place. The tug-of-war between the PAC and Big Ten resulted some of the frays to pull off the Big XII.
With this logic you probably aren't going to see Texas leaving the Big XII or Notre Dame leaving the Big East to start the next round. It will probably start with the ACC wanting its own network and using an expansion to justify a rights increase to the networks.
What if 4 Big East schools are already out the door in 2012 for the ACC and we just don't know about it yet? That may be the real reason that the Big East decided not to sign with ESPN.
The ACC is locked into a long term contract. I don't foresee any Big East schools heading into the ACC unless there is movement between the other conferences.
I bet you a beer that Big East teams would head to the ACC, if asked.
(07-21-2011 05:18 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]And if A&M decides they've had enough of Texas, they'll look into expansion again, Stewart Mendel's opinion to the contrary not withstanding...
So is everyone just assuming that A&M gets a free pass in regards to texas politics?
Or does only UT have to worry about its little brothers?
(07-21-2011 11:05 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote: [ -> ]I bet you a beer that Big East teams would head to the ACC, if asked.
And that ain't happening anytime soon.
You never know what A&M to the SEC could cause.
(07-21-2011 11:40 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote: [ -> ]You never know what A&M to the SEC could cause.
And if they was heading to the SEC they would've already joined. A&M ain't heading anywhere for the foreseeable future. This was one of the finer bluffs I've seen in a while. Just waiting to see how Texas reacts.
I still think BYU not pursuing the Big East will be a major mistake on their part. They're waiting for the Big 12, but the instability in the Big 12, along with their lack of desire to expand along with being suspicious of universities with their own network hurts. They are also not a powerful research university with the lack of Sunday games. The only reason the Big East would even consider is because it could help with our TV deal, but smart money would be us looking at the Philly market, Texas, Florida and Carolina markets. BYU may never get into a BCS conference.
(07-21-2011 11:36 PM)superdeluxe Wrote: [ -> ] (07-21-2011 05:18 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]And if A&M decides they've had enough of Texas, they'll look into expansion again, Stewart Mendel's opinion to the contrary not withstanding...
So is everyone just assuming that A&M gets a free pass in regards to texas politics?
Or does only UT have to worry about its little brothers?
Of course the Ags don't get a free pass. And, as far as we know, they've never actually received an offer from the SEC.
But three times they've made noises about the SEC, and three times it's worked out very well for them:
1995 -- A&M threatens not to go along with move to Big 12. The state gives them money for a new basketball arena to get them to go along.
2010 -- A&M gives the cold shoulder to the Pac-16 idea and again makes noise about liking the SEC. UT stays put and the Pac-16 plan dies.
2011 -- A&M is upset about the Longhorn Network, spreads rumors about interest in SEC. The Big 12 steps in and imposes a rule under which a school's network (and UT has the only one) can't show high school football and is limited to one football game per year which has to be a nonconference game.
They're 3-for-3 with this ploy. Of course they're going to do it again every chance they get.
BYU
East Carolina
Kansas
Kansas State
Missouri
Would be a great get for the Big East, who should split at that point and go to a 14 team all-sport conference.
(07-21-2011 05:58 PM)Tallgrass Wrote: [ -> ]Ever since day 1 when the Big-12 was born, they have been bitching about something. Remember, it took two whole years for the Big-12 to talk, talk, talk, talk....before they could come to agreement on how the Big-12 should be set up and organized. It reminds me of Will Rogers' statement "I don't belong to an organized political party...I am a democrat."
Its bc no conference has ever expanded with schools with Texas and Texas A&M power. The closest was the Big Ten adding Penn State but the conference was so enriched and with Michigan and Ohio State overriding them. Nebraska ruled the Big 8. Oklahoma was darn good but Nebraska had MU, KU, Iowa St and K-State as voting allies so they always got their way ie headquarters and basketball tournament in Kansas City and Prop 48 qualifers. Of course Dan Devine leaving Mizzou saw their downturn and Nebraska took advantage big time recruiting in the state and running the Big 8. Missouri could have been what Nebraska is in all honesty but that is a different story. Oklahoma and OSU always saw themselves as the outsiders. And of course Colorado always was. Adding Texas and A&M, made Oklahoma more powerful bc they sided with Texas. Colorado was the swing vote in everything. They are the ones that caused the headquarters to move to Dallas and few other things. But pretty much every argument was to see who the bigger dog was between Nebraska and Texas. And 3 old Big 8 schools who felt neglected by Nebraska turned to Bevo.
I don't think this is going to go down..but the message boards at OSU and TT are blowing up right now...Both fan bases are talking about potential escape routes, with the pac-12 most mentioned, but I don't see how OSU/TT/OU gets the pac-12 to jump on this.
(07-22-2011 12:22 AM)superdeluxe Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think this is going to go down..but the message boards at OSU and TT are blowing up right now...Both fan bases are talking about potential escape routes, with the pac-12 most mentioned, but I don't see how OSU/TT/OU gets the pac-12 to jump on this.
I think OSU, Kansas, and Mizzou could work for the Big East. Just throwing it out there.