(07-17-2011 04:53 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2011 04:16 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2011 04:11 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2011 04:10 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2011 04:09 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote: [ -> ]I know you're dying to change the direction of the discussion, but I insist you tell us whether you still agree that guns don't kill people. There's no reason not to go on the record about it.
I explained my opinion on guns.
You explain yours.
You seem like a coward. Are you a coward?
Oooooh. Calling someone a coward on an internet message board.
That must make you some sort of internet tough guy. Are you an internet tough guy?
I'll give you this: You're light on your feet. You've managed to completely avoid dealing with this thread topic.
Yet again you refuse to take a stand. That's very telling.
I stated my position on guns. I used small words. I honestly don't know how I could make it more clear. Maybe with pictures, I suppose.
Now, how 'bout you answer some of my questions?
Or, hell, just confine yourself to the thread topic?
(07-17-2011 04:55 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2011 04:53 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2011 04:16 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2011 04:11 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2011 04:10 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ]I explained my opinion on guns.
You explain yours.
You seem like a coward. Are you a coward?
Oooooh. Calling someone a coward on an internet message board.
That must make you some sort of internet tough guy. Are you an internet tough guy?
I'll give you this: You're light on your feet. You've managed to completely avoid dealing with this thread topic.
Yet again you refuse to take a stand. That's very telling.
I stated my position on guns. I used small words. I honestly don't know how I could make it more clear. Maybe with pictures, I suppose.
Now, how 'bout you answer some of my questions?
Or, hell, just confine yourself to the thread topic?
I asked a very plain question that relates to the topic of this thread, and you won't come anywhere near it. So do you really believe that guns don't kill people? You buy into that staple of the social right? I'll be interested to see whether you dodge the question again.
(07-17-2011 04:59 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2011 04:55 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2011 04:53 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2011 04:16 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2011 04:11 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote: [ -> ]You seem like a coward. Are you a coward?
Oooooh. Calling someone a coward on an internet message board.
That must make you some sort of internet tough guy. Are you an internet tough guy?
I'll give you this: You're light on your feet. You've managed to completely avoid dealing with this thread topic.
Yet again you refuse to take a stand. That's very telling.
I stated my position on guns. I used small words. I honestly don't know how I could make it more clear. Maybe with pictures, I suppose.
Now, how 'bout you answer some of my questions?
Or, hell, just confine yourself to the thread topic?
I asked a very plain question that relates to the topic of this thread, and you won't come anywhere near it. So do you really believe that guns don't kill people? You buy into that staple of the social right? I'll be interested to see whether you dodge the question again.
Guns don't kill people. Knives don't kill people. Screwdrivers and feather dusters don't kill people. They are inanimate objects whose good or evil lie in the intent of the user.
Now, answer my question about whether you'd be cool with this program if it were an Ashcroft JD. Or are you a coward?
Answer this question.
I'll tell you what I think, since you brought up changing sides on an issue, way back there in post #10. You know? Where you called me unprincipled? I think you'd be up in arms if John Ashcroft's and not Eric Holder's name were on the door. I also know damn well I'd be just as up in arms if it were John Ashcroft's Justice Department, since you've concerned yourself with the consistency of my positions.
How 'bout you?
Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
But why give guns to criminals so they can kill the good guys more easily?
When was the last time a gun killed someone on it's own volition?
When was the last time a person killed someone else without using a gun?
(07-17-2011 03:40 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2011 09:11 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote: [ -> ]This investigation is going all the way to the whitehouse. The Justice Dept., ATF, FBI and Obabba will answer for the deaths involved. How could they not know that people would die because of the Gunwalking operations?
You mean you right-wingers no longer stand by your dumba$$ argument that guns don't kill people? That's progress.
That's the exact opposite of what one would conclude from this travesty.
You really are an imbecile.
No wonder you and peanut get along so well.
(07-18-2011 08:47 AM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2011 03:40 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2011 09:11 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote: [ -> ]This investigation is going all the way to the whitehouse. The Justice Dept., ATF, FBI and Obabba will answer for the deaths involved. How could they not know that people would die because of the Gunwalking operations?
You mean you right-wingers no longer stand by your dumba$$ argument that guns don't kill people? That's progress.
That's the exact opposite of what one would conclude from this travesty.
You really are an imbecile.
No wonder you and peanut get along so well.
Imbecile is correct. He hijacked the thread and went on and on and there wasn't a soul saying such a thing.
Obabba will hide behind National Security, but anyone want to speculate about the Obabba administration's culpability to the dead and wounded victims. Putting guns in the hands of known criminals is gonna leave a mark.
(07-17-2011 05:03 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2011 04:59 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2011 04:55 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2011 04:53 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2011 04:16 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ]Oooooh. Calling someone a coward on an internet message board.
That must make you some sort of internet tough guy. Are you an internet tough guy?
I'll give you this: You're light on your feet. You've managed to completely avoid dealing with this thread topic.
Yet again you refuse to take a stand. That's very telling.
I stated my position on guns. I used small words. I honestly don't know how I could make it more clear. Maybe with pictures, I suppose.
Now, how 'bout you answer some of my questions?
Or, hell, just confine yourself to the thread topic?
I asked a very plain question that relates to the topic of this thread, and you won't come anywhere near it. So do you really believe that guns don't kill people? You buy into that staple of the social right? I'll be interested to see whether you dodge the question again.
Guns don't kill people. Knives don't kill people. Screwdrivers and feather dusters don't kill people. They are inanimate objects whose good or evil lie in the intent of the user.
Now, answer my question about whether you'd be cool with this program if it were an Ashcroft JD. Or are you a coward?
Answer this question.
I'll tell you what I think, since you brought up changing sides on an issue, way back there in post #10. You know? Where you called me unprincipled? I think you'd be up in arms if John Ashcroft's and not Eric Holder's name were on the door. I also know damn well I'd be just as up in arms if it were John Ashcroft's Justice Department, since you've concerned yourself with the consistency of my positions.
How 'bout you?
Odd.
I can't seem to get an answer from someone who called me a coward.
There's an adage at play here, I believe. Something about a pot and a kettle?
(07-17-2011 05:03 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2011 04:59 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2011 04:55 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2011 04:53 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2011 04:16 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ]Oooooh. Calling someone a coward on an internet message board.
That must make you some sort of internet tough guy. Are you an internet tough guy?
I'll give you this: You're light on your feet. You've managed to completely avoid dealing with this thread topic.
Yet again you refuse to take a stand. That's very telling.
I stated my position on guns. I used small words. I honestly don't know how I could make it more clear. Maybe with pictures, I suppose.
Now, how 'bout you answer some of my questions?
Or, hell, just confine yourself to the thread topic?
I asked a very plain question that relates to the topic of this thread, and you won't come anywhere near it. So do you really believe that guns don't kill people? You buy into that staple of the social right? I'll be interested to see whether you dodge the question again.
Guns don't kill people. Knives don't kill people. Screwdrivers and feather dusters don't kill people. They are inanimate objects whose good or evil lie in the intent of the user.
Now, answer my question about whether you'd be cool with this program if it were an Ashcroft JD. Or are you a coward?
Answer this question.
I'll tell you what I think, since you brought up changing sides on an issue, way back there in post #10. You know? Where you called me unprincipled? I think you'd be up in arms if John Ashcroft's and not Eric Holder's name were on the door. I also know damn well I'd be just as up in arms if it were John Ashcroft's Justice Department, since you've concerned yourself with the consistency of my positions.
How 'bout you?
So if guns don't kill people, why is it you're so outraged?
(07-19-2011 01:01 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2011 05:03 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2011 04:59 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2011 04:55 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2011 04:53 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote: [ -> ]Yet again you refuse to take a stand. That's very telling.
I stated my position on guns. I used small words. I honestly don't know how I could make it more clear. Maybe with pictures, I suppose.
Now, how 'bout you answer some of my questions?
Or, hell, just confine yourself to the thread topic?
I asked a very plain question that relates to the topic of this thread, and you won't come anywhere near it. So do you really believe that guns don't kill people? You buy into that staple of the social right? I'll be interested to see whether you dodge the question again.
Guns don't kill people. Knives don't kill people. Screwdrivers and feather dusters don't kill people. They are inanimate objects whose good or evil lie in the intent of the user.
Now, answer my question about whether you'd be cool with this program if it were an Ashcroft JD. Or are you a coward?
Answer this question.
I'll tell you what I think, since you brought up changing sides on an issue, way back there in post #10. You know? Where you called me unprincipled? I think you'd be up in arms if John Ashcroft's and not Eric Holder's name were on the door. I also know damn well I'd be just as up in arms if it were John Ashcroft's Justice Department, since you've concerned yourself with the consistency of my positions.
How 'bout you?
So if guns don't kill people, why is it you're so outraged?
You know its just a matter of time before the nasty truth comes out.. that some of these gun runners didn't take money from the Cartels in exchange for the weapons... they took "product."
So you have the Attorney General of the US complicit in Federally Funded Drug Smuggling. Wonderful Daytime TV during the 2012 Election Season-- Watching Eric Holder testify before Congress.
(07-19-2011 01:01 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2011 05:03 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2011 04:59 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2011 04:55 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ] (07-17-2011 04:53 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote: [ -> ]Yet again you refuse to take a stand. That's very telling.
I stated my position on guns. I used small words. I honestly don't know how I could make it more clear. Maybe with pictures, I suppose.
Now, how 'bout you answer some of my questions?
Or, hell, just confine yourself to the thread topic?
I asked a very plain question that relates to the topic of this thread, and you won't come anywhere near it. So do you really believe that guns don't kill people? You buy into that staple of the social right? I'll be interested to see whether you dodge the question again.
Guns don't kill people. Knives don't kill people. Screwdrivers and feather dusters don't kill people. They are inanimate objects whose good or evil lie in the intent of the user.
Now, answer my question about whether you'd be cool with this program if it were an Ashcroft JD. Or are you a coward?
Answer this question.
I'll tell you what I think, since you brought up changing sides on an issue, way back there in post #10. You know? Where you called me unprincipled? I think you'd be up in arms if John Ashcroft's and not Eric Holder's name were on the door. I also know damn well I'd be just as up in arms if it were John Ashcroft's Justice Department, since you've concerned yourself with the consistency of my positions.
How 'bout you?
So if guns don't kill people, why is it you're so outraged?
Nice evasion. I don't think Fred Astaire could tapdance so fast.
But to humor you, I'll answer your question. Remember when I mentioned inanimate objects and the intent of the user? Well, see our government (that's people we, you and I, elected to act on our behalf) putting said objects into the hands of people with evil intent. This was not done accidentally, which would have been bad enough, but intentionally. Said objects were used to kill Americans. I realize that last sentence makes me a jingoistic fascist, but just play along for a moment.
I find that outrageous. Though, you don't seem much chagrined.
So, answer my question.