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Cornyn: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

Published July 03, 2011 FoxNews.com

Sen. John Cornyn warned President Obama on Sunday to not even consider interpreting the Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment to bypass Congress and raise the debt limit without its approval.

"That's crazy talk. It's not acceptable for Congress and the president not to do their job and to say somehow the president has the authority then to basically do this by himself," Cornyn, R-Texas, a former judge on the Texas Supreme Court, told "Fox News Sunday."

The proposal that Obama re-interpret Section 4 of the Fourteenth Amendment to justify raising the $14.3 trillion debt limit has been gaining traction in Democratic circles since Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner told reporters that the Constitution's language could support the president's raising the limit without congressional approval.

'The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for the payments of pension and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion' -- this is the important thing -- 'shall not be questioned,' " Geithner read during a discussion hosted by Politico in May.

Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., and others on Capitol Hill reportedly acknowledged that the idea is percolating, and had been presented to the president.

"It's certainly worth exploring. I think it needs a little more exploration and study," he said during a conference call with reporters held Friday.
Without addressing efforts to invoke the Constitution, Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., said Sunday the president and congressional negotiators shouldn't even be discussing a debt deal privately.

"Congress is the constitutional place for this to be decided," said Sessions, who is the ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee.
Asked during a press conference Wednesday whether the debt limit was constitutional, the president glossed over the question, saying, "I'm not a Supreme Court justice, so I'm not going to put my constitutional law professor hat on here."


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Part of Barry's "Nation Wrecking " plan for the USA.

So obama car war Libya, without congress. Now he can raise the debt ceiling, without congress.

And they called bush an imperial president?

Good I hope he bypasses the nutjobs on the right and solves the problem without destroying the country which you rightwingers want to do.

Quote:The proposal that Obama re-interpret Section 4 of the Fourteenth Amendment to justify raising the $14.3 trillion debt limit has been gaining traction in Democratic circles since Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner told reporters that the Constitution's language could support the president's raising the limit without congressional approval.

I thought Barry was the Constitutional expert. And if he does this he's toast in 2012.

(07-03-2011 06:05 PM)smn1256 Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:The proposal that Obama re-interpret Section 4 of the Fourteenth Amendment to justify raising the $14.3 trillion debt limit has been gaining traction in Democratic circles since Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner told reporters that the Constitution's language could support the president's raising the limit without congressional approval.

I thought Barry was the Constitutional expert. And if he does this he's toast in 2012.

Actually, if he doesn't get it done and the economy collapses, then he is done. WHich is of course what the rightwingers are hoping for and why they are so against it being raised. It is really sad thet the right wants to see the country fail in order to regain power.

(07-03-2011 05:34 PM)RobertN Wrote: [ -> ]Good I hope he bypasses the nutjobs on the right and solves the problem without destroying the country which you rightwingers want to do.

Why do you hate democracy, Robert?

(07-03-2011 06:55 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ]Why do you hate democracy, Robert?

For Democrats, the ends always justify the means.

Robert, stfu, moron.

(07-03-2011 07:05 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-03-2011 06:55 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ]Why do you hate democracy, Robert?

For Democrats, the ends always justify the means.

I don't hate Democracy. I hate the fact that the Republican party is willing to destroy the country in order to get power. I wish this option wasn't even necessary and the parties could work out a reasonable compromise but if the country defaults on it's financial obligations, the country will fail. But if option that is being considered needs to be done in order to save what we have left of this country, I say save it.

(07-03-2011 07:16 PM)RobertN Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-03-2011 07:05 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-03-2011 06:55 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ]Why do you hate democracy, Robert?

For Democrats, the ends always justify the means.

I don't hate Democracy. I hate the fact that the Republican party is willing to destroy the country in order to get power. I wish this option wasn't even necessary and the parties could work out a reasonable compromise but if the country defaults on it's financial obligations, the country will fail. But if option that is being considered needs to be done in order to save what we have left of this country, I say save it.

If we're willing to pitch the principles we were founded on, maybe we're not worth saving.

Just don't go calling anyone else a fascist.

(07-03-2011 07:19 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-03-2011 07:16 PM)RobertN Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-03-2011 07:05 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-03-2011 06:55 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ]Why do you hate democracy, Robert?

For Democrats, the ends always justify the means.

I don't hate Democracy. I hate the fact that the Republican party is willing to destroy the country in order to get power. I wish this option wasn't even necessary and the parties could work out a reasonable compromise but if the country defaults on it's financial obligations, the country will fail. But if option that is being considered needs to be done in order to save what we have left of this country, I say save it.

If we're willing to pitch the principles we were founded on, maybe we're not worth saving.

Just don't go calling anyone else a fascist.

So I guess either way we are ****** because I know there isn't any way to get a reasonable outcome through Congress(ie one where we don't give hundreds of thousand if not more government employees the pink slip all at once destroying the economy).

Btw, my job really depends on a decent economy and people having disposable income. If the economy fails, so might the company I work for and I too will be out of a job. These cuts hurt more than just those in government. Please note, I am not saying "no cuts", just make it reasonable and spread out a bit instead of all at once.

(07-03-2011 07:31 PM)RobertN Wrote: [ -> ]Btw, my job really depends on a decent economy and people having disposable income. If the economy fails, so might the company I work for and I too will be out of a job. These cuts hurt more than just those in government. Please note, I am not saying "no cuts", just make it reasonable and spread out a bit instead of all at once.

23 feet aint that high (inside joke guys)

(07-03-2011 07:16 PM)RobertN Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-03-2011 07:05 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-03-2011 06:55 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ]Why do you hate democracy, Robert?

For Democrats, the ends always justify the means.

I don't hate Democracy. I hate the fact that the Republican party is willing to destroy the country in order to get power. I wish this option wasn't even necessary and the parties could work out a reasonable compromise but if the country defaults on it's financial obligations, the country will fail. But if option that is being considered needs to be done in order to save what we have left of this country, I say save it.

Why does "willing to destroy the country in order to get power" apply more to republicans than democrats?

Not raising the debt ceiling does NOT mean that the country has to default on its financial obligations. We take in $180-200 billion a month, and debt service is approximately $20 billion a month. Not defaulting on our obligations leaves $160-180 billion to do other things.

Keep in mind also that it's the executive branch that decides what is essential (gets funding) and what is not (no funding). And that executive branch is under democrat control. So the horror stories of this or that getting cut off can only happen if the democrats decide to cut this or that.

If this proves to be constitutional then it will be the politically expedient way to avert a financial crisis (and Robert is correct)

If COTUS actually does this, it guarantees his humiliating beat down in November 2012.

But he's arrogant enough to probably give it serious consideration. In a way, I hope he does it so everyone can see the power grab this socialist autocrat is orchestrating.

(07-03-2011 07:31 PM)RobertN Wrote: [ -> ]So I guess either way we are ****** because I know there isn't any way to get a reasonable outcome through Congress(ie one where we don't give hundreds of thousand if not more government employees the pink slip all at once destroying the economy).

Btw, my job really depends on a decent economy and people having disposable income. If the economy fails, so might the company I work for and I too will be out of a job. These cuts hurt more than just those in government. Please note, I am not saying "no cuts", just make it reasonable and spread out a bit instead of all at once.

Why would giving a hundred thousand government employees the pink slip destroy the economy?

Isn't it just about equally likely that's exactly what the economy needs?

(07-04-2011 06:34 AM)boss man Wrote: [ -> ]If COTUS actually does this, it guarantees his humiliating beat down in November 2012.

But he's arrogant enough to probably give it serious consideration. In a way, I hope he does it so everyone can see the power grab this socialist autocrat is orchestrating.

If Obama tries to raise the Debt Limit by Executive Order, then it will translate into easily $200 million in Campaign Contributions to Republicans.

Cue the music... "Taking Back Congress isn't enough. The only sure way to stop Obama is to Vote Republican in 2012."

(07-04-2011 07:11 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-03-2011 07:31 PM)RobertN Wrote: [ -> ]So I guess either way we are ****** because I know there isn't any way to get a reasonable outcome through Congress(ie one where we don't give hundreds of thousand if not more government employees the pink slip all at once destroying the economy).

Btw, my job really depends on a decent economy and people having disposable income. If the economy fails, so might the company I work for and I too will be out of a job. These cuts hurt more than just those in government. Please note, I am not saying "no cuts", just make it reasonable and spread out a bit instead of all at once.

Why would giving a hundred thousand government employees the pink slip destroy the economy?

Isn't it just about equally likely that's exactly what the economy needs?

How is putting that many people out of work going to stimulate the economy? These people won't be buying much will they? Which in turn forces other businesses to cut back. THen those people arent buying and more businesses cut back. Not to mention, since businesses aren't hiring huge amounts of people right now, these people will lose their houses(the housing market is bad enough now you want to see it get worse?) and be living on unemployment for long periods of time.

THe ONLY way I could see this as a positive is if all these people were cut and there was now a glut of labor which businesses could hire cheaply and businesses DO start hiring thus cheap labor. But I would think even then, with diminished wages, it means fewer tax dollars and less disposavle income going into the evonomy.

Using the constitution as he sees fit.