(07-01-2011 05:43 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote: [ -> ] (06-30-2011 11:43 PM)Rebel Wrote: [ -> ]We were never a nation governed by divinity, but we were a nation governed with divinity. You strict Libertarians and liberal Democrats want to know what's going on? 2+2 doesn't equal potato, it equals 4. We have no morals anymore. I won't go into the gay thing like you libs want to do, because I know a lot of moral gay people, but anyone with ANY intelligence or cognitive reasoning skills can see that, since the 60's, this nation has regressed. Kids can't even be whipped anymore in many locations without a f'n child abuse charge.
I am not all that religious, but I do consider myself a Christian and don't besmirch people who are ardent Christians. This multiculturalism BS is screwing this country up. I don't even recognize my nation anymore. ALL of our cherished ideals and values are under attack and, many times, banned. I'll get to more tomorrow, because it's late, but you are witnessing the death of a nation.
Libs, I've never been nice to you here, but I have been nice in public, while making my case. I don't see how I can do that anymore to a mental mindset that seems to want to destroy the nation. We hold up the ideals this nation was founded on with reverence. You think the Constitution is a living document, if not an obsolete document, that can be changed on a whim. We hold up the founders with reverence, you hold up Che, Hugo, Castro, etc., with reverence and make some dumb*** case about how great Castro and Hugo are to their countries. ...yet you won't move there even though you trash our nation DAILY.
Push the button with the picture of a nurse on it and ask for your meds (you sound dangerous) When has anyone made the "case" about how great Castro and Hugo Chavez are or "trashed" the nation? I am protecting MY country from you and your ilk. When you say you want to "take our country back" I can't help wondering how far back. Bush already took us back to the depression and I think it stinks. Jim Crow laws ain't coming back so if you can't handle the competition of the free market then you should sign up for Gubment relief
Looks like you were too busy pretending to read Matthew that you skipped over those 10 Commandments in Exodus...and a bunch of other stuff.
Reb is right, this is an immoral country. Even if it was never a "Christian" nation, the principles that the founding fathers used were explicitly Christian (Judeo-Christian if you prefer). Those principles have bee ignored, and the connection to Christianity is not only forgotten, but now explicitly denied, in complete a complete corruption of recorded history. Too bad GGNiner doesn't post here anymore, he was expert in this area of history.
And the conservative thinkers of this country lack any consistency. By Substituting pragmatism for principle, they have no foundation. Those who claim to be "fiscal conseratives" are happy to be "social liberals" despite the obvious disconnect between the two, and the impossibility of maintaining both.
So I've come to similar conclusions as Reb, maybe through a different path. I look first at my hometown, and in the c. 20 years that I've been gone the place is desolate. Population is down. Incomes are down. Buildings sit empty or have been leveled. Corruption is rampant. And yet they elected the same mayor for his 5th term.
The state is following suit. Even the prosperous cities are seeing high crime and decay. The gap between rich and poor is obvious, w/ ever-shrinking enclaves of affluence. But these aren't the ilk that the "liberals" and "progressives" complain about...they're the liberals themselves! Many of them Dems, they're the ones who use gov't pull to get cushy state jobs and win business.
And that's my hometown state. I'm back in MD now, 75% registered Dem. Taxes are extraordinarily high. Costs are high. Services are poor. Baltimore is a trash hole. Schools are bad. Constant complaining. And yet...incomes are high b/c of all of the federal jobs. Money flows from the rest of the country to here and it's squandered. Money is not the answer.
Looking around the country, I don't see anyplace that's not under assault from the traditional values that led to success and liberty. The rest of the MidWest is crumbling just like Ohio, as it has been hollowed out by economic and social attacks from the elites. The cities, dominated by "progressives" for decades, show as much blight as anything on the East coast. The rural areas are decreasingly populated. The small towns are increasingly imporverished. Immigration adds to the census, however these newcomers are not here to assimilate and perpetuate success, no they're used to living a refugee life and they've found a place that's better than the last place they trashed.
Not that mid-westerners were diligent with what they achieved. Unions and TV spewing a ficiticous narrative about the "American Dream" have deluded much of the interior of the country, and left them in a fugue. They now see the decline, but have no cognition to figure out what happened.
The southern border is violated every day. "Reconquista" is being spoken overtly, and a gluttonous, soft nation just turns the channel or pretends that they aren't serious. And California specifically seems like it's intent on wrecking things so badly that they'll have no choice but to be consumed.
The Pacific Coast subscribes to a toxic and paradoxical philosophy of "rugged individualism" and "gov't regulation". The beliefs of the region are adequately described as "anything but Christianity" as evidenced in its alternative newspapers, and local city council meetings. And it is no coincidence that the once again, gaps between rich and poor, so widely derided by the left, are most overt in the far left communities. Cities have wealth, while the rural areas scrape by.
The NE is bereft of any integrity. Oddly enough there is a calm there.
The mid-Atlantic has surprised me by being as leftist as the NE, perhaps more so. And it shows, w/ inner-city blight in Philly, Wilmington, Baltimore, DC and Richmond, not to mention the entire state of NJ. Avarice and sloth combine to make a mockery of anything Benjamin Franklin wrote. A demand for government assistance to exercise "freedom" parodies Jefferson and Madison.
The south has rallied back from a century of northern favoritism. Yet the same pressures that exist on the SW and Mid-West states are on them.
So maybe I'm wrong. N Dakota seems ok. Wyoming, Montana, S Dakota, may be alright too. I guess it's not the entire country.
Yeah, let's go back to the days of segregation, keeping women under our thumb, and white male dominance. But we used to be a "moral" nation. 