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The men's golf team is not in the NCAA tournament, nor do we have an individual player in as well. How is the athletic dept spinning this?

Have you been reading the stuff as the season has gone on, and more importantly before the season started? I mean, we were supposed to have Roy McIlroy (he signed a letter of intent), but he decided to turn pro instead, and then almost (and should have) won the Master's. His decision was too late to replace him. We were in line to have who almost surely would have been the #1 player in college golf. And there were other players lost. There are reasons.

[Note: I'm not defending Fred and/or his players; just making sure whoever cares has educated themselves.]

there was also the injury to Rhys this year, our best player, his brother who was committed to us two years ago passed away tragically in a car accident, and michael stewart turned pro. the leftovers are what we were playing with this year, and though all can score low this team seems to be inconsistant. paul will go out and shoot a 71/72 then shoot an 80 or vice versa, the others are the same. hopefully next year will be better and we can land some recruits worth talking about

Right. I sort of want to know if Buc66 was paying attention to all that, or was just wondering out of the blue (pun intended).
No spin needed for all that....

My bad, no have not been following golf. Sorry for going off deep end. I let my dislike for how the athletic dept is being managed, the priorities now that football is gone. No disrespect intended. Thanks for the update about the golf team.

Augusta State - back to back D-1 national titles. The match play format does make a difference

US Open champion Rory Mcllroy had signed a letter of intent with ETSU? Per his Wikipedia bio, he turned pro in 2007 and has been playing on the European and PGA tours. There's no mention of his ETSU intentions. What's the scoop here anyway?

(06-20-2011 01:26 PM)Buc66 Wrote: [ -> ]US Open champion Rory Mcllroy had signed a letter of intent with ETSU? Per his Wikipedia bio, he turned pro in 2007 and has been playing on the European and PGA tours. There's no mention of his ETSU intentions. What's the scoop here anyway?

This is old news, he had some friends already playing here and signed but later decided to go another route. His caddy is a forrmer ETSU player as well.

http://m.golfweek.com/news/2011/jun/19/c...s-destiny/

(05-21-2011 07:59 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote: [ -> ]Have you been reading the stuff as the season has gone on, and more importantly before the season started? I mean, we were supposed to have Roy McIlroy (he signed a letter of intent), but he decided to turn pro instead, and then almost (and should have) won the Master's. His decision was too late to replace him. We were in line to have who almost surely would have been the #1 player in college golf. And there were other players lost. There are reasons.

[Note: I'm not defending Fred and/or his players; just making sure whoever cares has educated themselves.]

Poster, you and RodShaw have my curiosity up. Are you saying Mcllroy was to be on the 2010-11 Buc golf team, turned pro instead, and that's a major reason for the down season and failure to make the NCAA tourney? Trying to get a handle on the timeline here since he turned pro in 2007. Clarification would be appreciated.

He would have been on campus Fall 2007. So four years would be 2007-08,2008-09,2009-10,2010-11. So last year would have been his Senior season.

Sorry, he signed in Nov, 2004 and would have been on campus 05-06 through 08-09, per spread on him at the ETSU athletic website. Hey, that sends the argument here that him turning pro and not attending ETSU was a big factor in the off 2010-11 season, including not winning the conference and not going to the NCAA tourney up in smoke. Aside from that, read about Warren's trips to European tournaments to recruit him and later to see him play at the ETSU athletic website. Which takes me back to my original post (and a prior one on tennis) regarding the priorities of the ETSU athletic department and the expenditure of funds thereof.

(06-20-2011 07:08 PM)Buc66 Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry, he signed in Nov, 2004 and would have been on campus 05-06 through 08-09, per spread on him at the ETSU athletic website. Hey, that sends the argument here that him turning pro and not attending ETSU was a big factor in the off 2010-11 season, including not winning the conference and not going to the NCAA tourney up in smoke. Aside from that, read about Warren's trips to European tournaments to recruit him and later to see him play at the ETSU athletic website. Which takes me back to my original post (and a prior one on tennis) regarding the priorities of the ETSU athletic department and the expenditure of funds thereof.

he is only 22 so in 2004 he would have been 14 or 15. not sure about what the timeline says but you do the math.
He would have been a Senior LAST year.

(06-20-2011 07:13 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-20-2011 07:08 PM)Buc66 Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry, he signed in Nov, 2004 and would have been on campus 05-06 through 08-09, per spread on him at the ETSU athletic website. Hey, that sends the argument here that him turning pro and not attending ETSU was a big factor in the off 2010-11 season, including not winning the conference and not going to the NCAA tourney up in smoke. Aside from that, read about Warren's trips to European tournaments to recruit him and later to see him play at the ETSU athletic website. Which takes me back to my original post (and a prior one on tennis) regarding the priorities of the ETSU athletic department and the expenditure of funds thereof.

he is only 22 so in 2004 he would have been 14 or 15. not sure about what the timeline says but you do the math.
He would have been a Senior LAST year.

Please go to the ETSU athletic website, read about him, when he finished high school, and do the math.

All I know is he is 22, based on his age he should have been hitting college around 2007 not 2005.
But I did realize who I was talking to, I am pretty sure doc and a few others have explained that expenses for golf doesn't
have anything to do with overall ETSU athletic expenditures. Warren has money donated to HIM for HIS program not the
general athletic fund. If a donor earkmarks for a certain program it isn't like the school can step and take the money and
say we want to spend it on something else. But that okay you wanna *****, moan and whine about it. Have it.

I don't understand why ETSU is bragging about a guy that blew them off.....but whatever.

(06-21-2011 12:27 AM)ETSUfan1 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't understand why ETSU is bragging about a guy that blew them off.....but whatever.

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He'll the Asu posted it to. See how good we almost were? Seems like a nice kid so far and that he made the right decision.

More clarification:

more about McIlroy's ETSU decision(s) - and others

Let's say McIlroy attended ETSU only one year, and maybe won 5-7 tournaments (not unrealistic). Imagine the raised profile of ETSU, especially in Europe, which would serve to bring other talent here - as has happened in golf and cross-country already. McIlroy was only one piece of the puzzle. The article rightfully also mentions Stewart and Enoch. Heck, who knows - maybe McIlroy could *still* direct some younger talent from the British Isles our way in the future?

Further, as Rod states, yes, Fred Warren gets money that is ONLY designated towards golf (witness the Green practice facility). Works the same way for Zaatini and tennis.

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More clarification:

more about McIlroy's ETSU decision(s) - and others

Let's say McIlroy attended ETSU only one year, and maybe won 5-7 tournaments (not unrealistic). Imagine the raised profile of ETSU, especially in Europe, which would serve to bring other talent here - as has happened in golf and cross-country already. McIlroy was only one piece of the puzzle. The article rightfully also mentions Stewart and Enoch. Heck, who knows - maybe McIlroy could *still* direct some younger talent from the British Isles our way in the future?

Further, as Rod states, yes, Fred Warren gets money that is ONLY designated towards golf (witness the Green practice facility). Works the same way for Zaatini
and tennis.







PosterDoc, your original reply to my original question about the down year for golf clearly stated that Mcllroy backing out of his scholarship was the major factor for ETSU not doing well this year. I essentially apologized in a later post, and I stand by that because I do not really follow ETSU golf and was actually expressing frustration with ETSU athletic priorities through a shot at golf. Since then, I've learned of ETSU's 46 percent athletic budget growth since football was dropped, from $6.5 million in 2003 to $9.5 million today. My frustration is now rage, spending 46 percent more today on mostly invisible sports proves beyond any doubt that money was not the reason for the elimination of football. As for Mcllroy, he signed with ETSU in Nov, 2004 at 16 years old and his first year at ETSU would have been 2005-06, and if he had stayed 4 years (which would never have happened), he would have graduated in 2009. Obviously this year's golf results were unrelated to him not being at ETSU, and it didn't cost them a player due to him backing out of his scholarship too late. Your current points about attracting later golfers on the back of him being at ETSU for as little as a year back then is, I guess, your revision of the original story which could have produced the possible positive post-Mcllroy impact on the 2010-11 golf team results.
season.

My original response to you was not meant to be a point-by-point rebuttal of your post. It was more meant to challenge you as someone who apparently hadn't been following the story. You did apologize in a later post, and that's the proper way to man up. Well done. In my original post on this thread, I also had not "done the math". I knew McIlroy wasn't supposed to have been an incoming freshman, but re-reading my post it appears it could have been interpreted in that way. I was more trying to communicate that it had been a litany of events - not one single thing - which caused our team to be weak this year, and to a lesser extent, the last 2 or 3 years. Rhys Enoch's brother getting killed, on top of his shoulder injury, were notable events I didn't even mention (thank you studentofthegame). Again, I wasn't trying to give a comprehensive answer. I *do* think had McIlroy come here to play golf, his impact on the program would have been massive, and again, maybe in some way he can still direct talent our way...

But to your point about the athletic budget growing, while not having football............. Of course you're right; paulie refused to "put that on the backs of the students" (possible minor paraphrasing), but then shortly after the failed vote, he did just that, and has upped that again. Why hasn't the media held him accountable for such two-faced-ness? I can't answer that. Why did they build the CPA after they went to the trouble to have two votes and both failed? The media never held him accountable for that, either. I haven't taken the trouble to look up how much of the overall athletic budget is tennis, and how much is golf, and how much of those two is given specifically for those programs. That last answer may not even be public - and if not, it would be because it would be embarrassing to mullins.

I completely agree with you that it's absurd, to put it mildly, that we have grown that budget that much, and we dropped football for (a supposed) lack of only $1 million. There is little argument there. Also, remember what MamaBear pointed out repeatedly - that the debt on both the Culp Center and the Dome was being retired, thus freeing up money to put towards athletics, should they choose to do so. I don't know that that occurred, but it wouldn't surprise me if it has. (She was sure that was the plan.) I think it's hard from the outside to follow that kind of money trail, and unless Manahan or Dave Collins comes on here to tell us, we're going to be in the dark about that.

But, finally, it's not accurate to say that golf and tennis have been built up at the expense of football. I couldn't say NO money has been sent their way, but I can say that both those sports are largely, or significantly, self-supporting. The money "saved" (lol) by eliminating football has been spent on other projects, futbol, women's softball, the Dome seating upgrade, another partial layer of bureaucracy (gag), higher salaries, ASUN travel expenses (a biggie), and so forth. Here's an exercise: compare how many people in Athletics were on salary when football was cut (NOT including football staff) vs. how many are on salary now. Compare the overall salary budget then vs. now. I don't know those numbers, but I think one would see a vast increase in both.....

Really, as we know, it all comes back to stanton and mullins. I would love to hear stanton's answer as to why he instituted an athletic activity fee very shortly after refusing to do so to save football. That's just as key as the phantom, supposed, failed fund-raising in the three years before football was cut - the one NOBODY knew about. The one he used as an excuse to cut football. He clearly had an agenda that he's never publicly revealed, and I'm at a loss to understand that....